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Senators Reid and Graham Jump On Revolting Afghan Murderers-Apologist Bandwagon

And Grossly Discuss Limiting Freedom of Speech As A Result

This is utterly revolting:

U.S. lawmakers said Sunday they would consider a request by Afghan President Hamid Karzai to formally condemn a Florida pastor’s decision to burn the Koran, after the act triggered deadly riots in Afghanistan.

Note that once again it is being said that one act – the burning of paper – “triggered” the deadly riots. Not the ideology nor the people who committed the acts, of course. Reid flat-out says that Terry Jones caused the murders — murders committed at the hands of other people.  People apparently so simple-minded that they cannot think for themselves and cannot possibly know the difference between right and wrong.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid repudiated pastor Terry Jones for touching off the chaos with what he called a “publicity stunt.” Jones had earlier threatened to burn the Koran, but then shelved the plan until last month. The burning attracted little U.S. attention at the time but was used as a rallying cry in Afghanistan.

“This was an effort to get some publicity for him. He got it. But in the process, 10-20 people have been killed,” Reid said on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

Asked whether Congress could pass a resolution condemning it, he said, “We’ll take a look at this.”

You’ll take a look at this? Hey, I have a better idea. Why not take a look at why you constantly make excuses for barbarism and evil acts? Why not take a look at, you know, history and see that murderous rampages and beheadings happen all the time – somehow occurring without some obscure pastor burning a book.

Lindsey Graham, who for some inexplicable reason has not been banned by the GOP from appearing on Sunday shows also jumps on the apologist/excuse making bandwagon:

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., suggested Congress should condemn the burning, but also stressed that one pastor’s actions should not excuse the subsequent killings.

“Burning a Koran is a terrible thing, but it doesn’t justify killing someone. Burning a Bible would be a terrible thing, but it wouldn’t justify murder,” he said. “But having said that, any time we can push back here in America against actions like this that put our troops at risk, we ought to do it.”

You know what puts our troops at risk, Lindsey? Evil barbarians. It also puts them at risk when you remain willfully ignorant to that fact and, instead, attempt to put the blame on others. Squashing our freedom of speech by having the American government condemn the exercise thereof does nothing to protect our troops. In fact, it spits on the very freedoms for which they fight.

UPDATE:

Harry Reid went even further and said there may have to be hearings on Koran burnings. Lindsey Graham not only wants to condemn the exercise of free speech, but may want to actually limit it. On Face The Nation today, he said “Freedom of speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war”. So much for that pesky old Constitution, I suppose.

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Cross-posted from That’s What She Said

COMMENTS

  • Doc Holliday

    or impeached for maliciously attempting to take away or unalienable rights. He swore to defend the Constitution, and here he breaks his oath. When will this horrible Senator lose get out of our lives?

    • Doc Holliday

      The report I read is that Congress would possibly hold hearings on the right to burn Korans and Graham questioned the right of free speech during a time of war, which is much worse than a simple vote condemning something.

      http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/HarryReid-QuranBurning-Afghanistan-/2011/04/03/id/391567

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
        • 6eorge Jetson

          Oh, those poor pages that were burned alive.

      • aesthete

        We’ve already had a good chunk of the 4th tossed out the window due to the easy excuse that we’re at war; it’d be nice to keep the 1st away from that sort of rationale.

    • constitutionalconservative

      It’s unbelievable that a Republican Senator from a conservative state could say something so stupid.

      Actually, given that we are talking about Lindsey Graham, it’s sadly not unbelievable.

      Reid’s idiocy and cowardice is, of course, about what I would have expected from the leader of the Senate Democrats.

      • edintexas

        The people of Nevada spoke and decided to keep Reid for another 6 years. It really isn’t understandable why the people of South Carolina keep Little Lindsey around. If I absolutely found no alternative for voting for someone like him (e.g. write in Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck), I don’t know that I could vote in that race. It would be far, far too embarrassing to ever have to admit I voted for that.

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        http://www.redstate.com/gamecock/2011/04/06/muslim-terrorists-dont-kill-people-chrustia/

  • rcatheart

    at the Constitution, while you’re at it. I must have missed the part in my high school civics class where Congress is authorized to formally condemn other people’s weird religious stuff.

    Like Mom always said…the best way to deal with people who just want attention is to ignore them.

    • Next93

      Harry left the constitution behind when he became the richest man in his sleepy little Nevada hamlet, and the onset of dementia hasn’t improved things.

      Quoting the constition to him is like trying to read Ayn Rand to an oyster.

      • myron_j_poltroonian

        Harry and Lindsey? Not so much.

  • http://pocketchangeproductions.net/ anotherindyfilmguy

    They are testing to see if they can scare out the outsiders or get us to bend over backwards apologizing…
    It is an excuse to see how far they can push the occupying powers.

    Want it to really end:
    Either arrest the imams and execute them for inciting the murders
    OR
    fire into the mobs and kill as many of them as can be done…
    OR
    both…

    • edintexas

      I believe you have the wrong direction in mind.

    • myron_j_poltroonian

      “What To Do With Uncivil Followers Of Certain Of Mohammed’s Alleged Words From Allah?”

      Okay, several paths to “Off Worlding” Terrorist’s, coupled with the discovery of possibly “Habitable, Extraterrestrial Planets”, opens many vistas before me: ?

      ?1.) The possibility that “We” (“Earthlings”, if you will) were actually “Seeded” by “Visitors/Aliens” from “Outer Space”. for whatever reason are: Good; Bad: Intentional; Unintentional, Whatever. ?

      ?2.) The above is, was and/or never will be true because the laws of physics, as we currently understand them, wouldn’t allow for such travel between solar systems, let alone galaxies, at anything approaching even a tenth of the speed of light, let alone faster than light travel by the factor of “X” required to make the trip within the average human lifetime. ?

      ?3.) The prospect of radical Terrorist’s, those of the “Religion of Peace”, even if only 1% of their entire laity, would still number about 15 thousand wild-eyed fanatics. Each and everyone ready, willing and able to murder as many “Infidels” as possible – by whatever means necessary – Including suicide. ? ?

      4.) Given the numbers quoted in #3 above, it’d be one Hell-of-an effort to design, build, load and launch that many craft into space. One way only, of course. ? ?

      5.) It might be much more cost effective to simply explain to the “Peace Loving Jihadi’s” that there two types of virgins awaiting them. Ninety year old dried-up spinsters, and flocks of syphilitic sheep.

      6.) Conversely, we could point out that the newly discovered “lands” are ripe for the conquering, “In the name of ‘Allah’ “, of course. Maybe then they’d pay us for the technology to mount their “Holy Conquest” – n’est ce pas? ? ?Ah, the “Good (for something, always) Shepherd” rules yet again. On the other hand, they could finally undergo a reformation and actually try living up to the good, peaceful words in their holy book and rejecting the bad, violent ones. Otherwise? “Nukestan” seems a viable alternative.

  • pauly1620

    Expect Muslims to join the rest of us in the 21st Century. The 7th Century is so 1,400 years ago.

  • rowdydfw

    …was power given to congress to condemn speech or action about my personal beliefs as long as I am abiding by the law of the land that gives me freedom and free speech. Two politicians on a tv show do not get to speak for me, so I am not going to get bent out of shape about it.

    We know what Harry Reid is doing…he’s attacking the religious right. It’s what commies do, and have been doing for years now since we blindly allowed them to occupy elected office in Washington, DC while being lead to believe they were democrats…what a bad awakening to find out they’re not.

    As for Graham, he’s a loose cannon, lobbing off flip flops in every direction trying to find some relevance that justifies being re-elected.

    NO, a pastor in Florida did not lead the Islamo-fascist barbarians to kill and yes they’ve been murdering without excuse for 1338 years. Anybody with a brain that bothers to read facts knows that. Unfortunately, there are those in the US that don’t want to exercise their brain by looking at the facts. They just want to turn on their tv and believe whatever is spewed out at them in 30 second sound bites. THAT’S what we’ve got to change, as well as cleaning the commiecrats out of Washington, DC. as well as our local governments.

    Let’s concentrate on getting people to turn off the tv and encouraging them to go out and find the facts instead.

  • conservativecurmudgeon

    Not because some odd little American Pastor burned a Koran.

    Would our troops be at risk if an Imam burned a copy of the New Testament? We have an answer to that, in that the Bible is burned all the time, on a daily basis, in the Islamic world. No one is rioting in Germany, or Guam, or any of dozen other Christian venues in the world where our troops are billeted. Christianity is a religion of self introspection and love, not a political system of repression and violence like Islam. This is a critical difference.

    ALL of this is, and was, predicted. The fact that Senator Graham Crackers is all a-dither over it is just as predictable. We have no leaders. If we had a Vandenburg, or a Calhoun, or a Webster, in the Senate, they would take to the floor demanding the immediate withdrawal of all support of the Afghan regime unless and until all of the rioters are rounded up, arrested, and brought to justice. Instead, we are treated to the specter of this grotesque, weak, supine folding to primitive barbarism.

    Good Lord, I hope Lindsay Graham is primaried and thrown the heck out of office. What a disgrace.

    • edwyrd

      Even the mention of Lindsay Grahams’ name got booed!
      Rick Santorum gave a superb speech. I really like the guy!
      This was in Myrtle Beach, SC

    • aesthete

      Lindsay Graham is a quisling who deserves nothing but contempt for suggesting that we should deprive ourselves of our Constitutional rights because of 12 deaths that are not the fault of anyone in the US. I’m tired of people who defend our freedoms only when it’s convenient; apparently Graham isn’t aware that 12 deaths is but a smidgen compared to the blood that has already been shed to maintain our First Amendment rights, and that a defense of those rights will require even more deaths in the future.

    • spainishirish

      and tell Karzai we are out of there, and if al-Qaeda reconstitutes itself on Afghan soil the entire nation will be turned to glass. Period.

      That Reid and Graham are abject idiots is nothing new. But for them to suspend constitutional liberties on behalf of bloodthirsty barbarians is a new low even for these cretins.

  • throwback59

    if someone burned a Bible, I can’t imagine even 1 committing murder over it.

    I wish Reid was half as concerned about the unborn as he is over the koran.

    • Bill S

      is the entire point in a nutshell.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Mohammed and the cost of admission would be to bring a gasoline soaked Koran. Downtown Detroit would be a good place to start.

    • earlgrey

      This would certainly address that

      • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

        Amazing.

    • lunaticrex

      I think most Americans would not care to burn a Qur’an for several reasons. First, one needs to acquire a Qur’an to burn. Also, all the usual reasons, such as it is a stupid, pointless thing to do.

      If these people (our “representatives) try to abridge the First Amendment to forbid defacing one particular book, I believe there will be a run on Qur’ans, and the nightly propaganda (aka “news”) shows will be reporting on conflagrations in many cities (I agree Detroit / Dearborn is the place to start, btw).

      Word to the wise: When buying your Qur’ans to take to the bonfire, make sure they are written in Arabic. Doesn’t count otherwise. Don’t worry if you don’t read Arabic. Nothing in the book matters to right-thinking people.

  • renny

    Why doesn’t Saudi Arabia apologize for when we had troops there protecting the rich *sses of a thousand princes who are no more royal than my dog’s left hind leg because no service person could own a Bible or attend a church, because both are banned in Saudi Arabia?

    I am sorry the UN people got caught in the middle, but appeasing the whacko Muslims over their hysteria over their “holy book” would be like deciding to overlook the Nazi trains heading to the camps because Germany would be insulted over our interference.

    We still have a First Amendment and even if people convey unlovely and even abominable opinions, like burning a book, they are protected, and we shouldn’t roll over and play dead because a people living on the brink of the Dark Ages cannot control themselves.

  • jls

    Many people in history have used the we are in a war argument for censoring comments or actions in support of the enemy of their country. Sen. Graham may be the first person in world history in any country to say,

  • dsmurf

    Jihadwatch has the story that Karzai brought the issue up how long after the burning? Something is not right about a Pashtun running the show, since that is also the main Taliban ethnicity.
    This story was dormant for a while. Now it breaks with Afghan locals, and Karzai has the gall to ask for Jones’ arrest. Just in time for the spring time offensives. What timing.

    • Doc Holliday

      Who of us even knew he burned a Koran prior to hearing of the murders? How many Bibles are burned and defamed a day in the ME? This is old tree falling in the woods argument. There is no doubt some people not named Terry Moran incited these murderers.

  • earlgrey

    He doesn’t miss a chance to trample on American values.

    • powertothepeople

      Problem is he is entrenched although he may not be as safe as he has been in the past. So far no real opposition has come against him and the ones that do can not match his money, his sheep, or his power. But this may be the end of his road, but we will have to wait and see.

      • Doc Holliday

        How long did we hope, pray, and campaign to get Murtha out? It is so strange how people almost reflexively defend “one of their own” even when that person is hurting them. Graham is slippery, if he does not have an election in the bag he will likely retire.

  • debinfla

    telling them I thought they should be ashamed for not placing the blame where it belonged, on muslim barbarians and that I thought our soldiers were fighting in part for our right to free speech. I think we should burn every terrorist manual(k’ouran) in the US. It is not a holy book, just a piece of rot written by a pedophile and given more rights than American citizens by our PC, yellow bellied poiticians. We need to remove every politician who refuses to stand up for Americans exercising their Constitutionally guaranteed rights.

  • Next93

    This notion that people of the Islamic world respond to Koran burning like Pavlov’s dogs is a little…degrading, really.

    Apparently, all of the “smart” people understand that Muslims don’t have free will, and therefore it’s simply not thier fault if they go (or, more accurately, STAY) medevil on the nearest European whenever the “Allah nerve” is stimulated.

    Are we expected to beleive that touching your forehead to the floor of a mosque causes neurochemical changes that render you incapable of *not* killing innocents? Or are we assuming that every muslim involved with these murders was too retarded developmentally delayed to understand that murder is a Bad Thing? Or Is Islam actually a form of schizzophrenia?

    Or is it simply a matter of not holding Muslims up to civilized standards of behavior because, well, after all, they’re not really white?

    • myron_j_poltroonian

      I recently had a back and forth with a “Progressive” going on and on about “Old, White”, Racists, etc., over this and NerObama. Here’s what I said to him: Ah, yes. Another bigoted, racist, sexist, ageist, self-proclaimed “Tolerant Progressive” shows his/her/it’s true colors. What the Hell is wrong with all of you? I’ll bet you don’t even realize that by calling Obama “Black” you’re embracing the Jim Crow era’s “One Drop Rule”. He responded a day or two later by saying I was a racist because I brought up the Demo-Dixicrats “One Drop” method of classifying people’s ethnicity and/or race. You know, sorta like they do to this day

  • johnt

    a matched pair. It’s us they hate, and with a twisted passion. The scum hare at home will soon show open sympathy for the islamic murderers in their various operations, Do you doubt it?

  • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

    In body of reports, but should have been in headlines:

    4/2/11, “Protests Over Koran Burning Reach Kandahar,” NY Times, by Taimoor Shah and Rod Nordland

    “Both Afghan and international news media had initially played down or ignored the actions of Mr. Jones, the Florida pastor. On Thursday, however, President Karzai made a speech and issued statements condemning the Koran burning and calling for the arrest of Mr. Jones for his actions. On Friday, that theme was picked up in mosques throughout Afghanistan.

  • redwood

    They are concerned for the feelings and rights of our enemy?
    When do they go back to the mothership?

  • skorrent1

    As I said below, each time we limit actions that are acceptable in Western culture in response to pressure from the Islamic culture, we are subbordinating our culture to theirs. Islamists want this to continue until we arrive at a condition of complete “Islam”, which means “submission”.

  • Darin_H

    their positions on the Westboro ‘baptist’ Church Supreme Court ruling? Because a whole lot of people were praising that decision.

  • Tbone

    expelled from the Senate and have their citizenship revoked.

    We should burn 10,000 Korans a day until the murderous, stone age Muslims get used to it.

  • Tbone

    business of killing our enemies. That is his job. If he doesn’t want to do it, then let’s get someone who will.

    Personally, I think we should leave Afghanistan and tell them that if they ever cause us anymore trouble, we will just nuke them into a rapidly fading bad memory.

  • Carol Tarasewicz

    Graham has to challenged in a primary, I’m sue he’d lsoe.
    How old is Reid? We should start a mandatary retirement age or term limits to get rid of the deadwoodI

    I know we deserve better than Obama, let’s pray we get a man like Ronnie Reagan to make up for Obama for the next eight years. I haven’t seen one that is almost running that is the one, but there has to be someone to save this country. I did not mean to be sexistl, but a woman could save us too. I do not think the USA is ready for a woman after electing Obama but I could be wrong.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior
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  • redpenny

    begin a recall effort to bring Mr. Dumb Arse Graham home but SC state constitution does not have provisions for recall but a bill is being discussed by our state legislature that would amend the state constitution to allow for recall action.Graham is a disgrace and is totally out of touch with the people of South Carolina;a state that needs no additional help in making a fool out of itself——-we can’t do that just fine by ourselves–thank you very much!!!!!!!

  • johnt

    Rushdie “caused” violence, including I guess the attempts on his life.
    There must be an easier way. Couldn’t these killers in search for an excuse just burn a Bible? Our liberals[?] would love that.

  • seisner01

    Taking an idea from the sixties, I say Burn, Baby, Burn!

  • johnstoirvin

    be very proud of Reid, Graham, Obummer and the rest of the blind crowd, would he not? Ignorant cowards, one and all, unceasing and diligent in their efforts to ruin our country.

  • givemefreedom

    Why do the stupid poor people of afghanistan give a crap about what goes on here in the USA. Is there NOT enough problems right there where they live getting themselves food and water???
    Get yourselves some REAL life afghanis, get some REAL religion.
    Why should US senators CARE what happens in the middle east anymore, POTUS doesn’t. We’re gettin outta afghanistan according to Obama . . . . . ain’t we?
    Lyndsey Graham obviously believes that murder in this instance was justified. Graham scares the hell out of me. And he’s one of those intellectual college ejikated elites we hear about all the time.
    What will he say when the muslims living inside our borders commit murder over the burning of the KORN? For that matter, why HAVEN”T the muslims in this country committed the same murders?

  • myron_j_poltroonian

    Please allow me to say that, as one who spent a lifetime, prior to 9/11/2001, consciously not blaming the sons, grand and great grandsons of the Ottoman Turks for the sins of their forefathers (the reason my father’s parents moved to America shortly after the turn of the last century), my views, however, in light of the ensuing events, have changed. Let me put it to you as I have to others in the past two years, as that is all the time I’ve been on the internet: How about this. Instead of “Nation Building”, after throwing out their terrorist supporting regimes in the Middle East and/or the so called “Tribal Areas”, let us try (preemptive) “Nation Renaming”. Yes! Lets let them be known as “NukeStan” (pronounced: Nuke’-Es-Stan), only until or unless they change their evil ways, of course. Two or three examples should be enough. If not, then reduce to molten glass those places they hold most dear.

  • methodius

    The next time the MSM runs some stupid story or some “educational” channel shows another bogus “documentary” questioning the truth of Christ’s death and Resurrection (you know they will with Easter coming up) we Christians take to the streets, riot like Hades and pillage and plunder to our hearts’ content all the stores and shops we happen by. And THEN we can blame it on all those mean liberals who are constantly attaching our Lord and looking down their noses at us for what we believe. Oh, how they insult me!

    But you know it won’t happen. Why? We as Christians are called upon,ney commanded, to not steal, to not murder, to respect those in authority over us. And when we are persecuted for our faith what are we to do? TURN THE OTHER CHEEK and offer it up to be slapped. Those who want to draw some moral eqivelence between Islam and Christianity are fools.

    Yes, I know there are some who want to throw in our faces the awful things some people have done in the name of Chrisitanity over the centuries but they are also the same people who want to say that Islam is the religion of peace and that the actions of a few are only of those who have hijacked the faith. Well, many of those who have committed attrocities in the name of Christ were also hijackers of the Christian faith yet their actions are applicable to the whole when in Islam they are not? But then again consistnecy, integrity, and logic are not staples of leftist thought.

    It is simple for me: Karzai is responsible for the deaths of those UN workers. He brought up the burning well after the fact for political gain. The Iman who lied to his “congregants” that multiple Korans were being burned to incite the people further has blood on his hands as well. And the thugs in the streets were not forced by anyone but their own bloodlust to murder those UN workers. It begins and ends there. The “Devil made me do it” defence never ever holds water. It did not work for Eve and it does not work for these 7th Century hicks.

  • Flagstaff

    “Squashing our freedom of speech by having the American government condemn the exercise thereof does nothing to protect our troops. In fact, it spits on the very freedoms for which they fight.”

    I’m glad to see that you wrote this, Lori. At one point in this debate, several months ago, I was inclined to agree that it was counterproductive to just intentionally rile up the Muslims by burning their Koran, and I was inclined to go along with a request from the military leadership that we restrain ourselves a bit, as it would “put our fighting men and women at risk.”

    As it’s abundantly clear that they need no prod from us to put lives at risk or even extinguish them, I’ve come around to the other side–if we want to show them the soles of our feet and burn their precious “holy book,” that’s our prerogative in a free country and they need to get over it. If they choose to attack us first, we can help them get over it–permanently. How can we call it “freedom” if we constrain ourselves from symbolic action (that hurts absolutely nobody) just on the off chance that it will offend the sensibilities of the enemy. After all, that is the intention in the first place–offending their sensibilities. They need to learn the Muslim equivalent of “sticks and stones, etc.” which of course they should know very well as those are their preferred methods of punishment and execution.

    Note to Sean Hannity: Didn’t you notice it when several of our so-called “news” periodicals did NOT publish the cartoons that brought about the uproar in Denmark? Our beloved “freedom of the press” isn’t so brave when it’s up against somebody who might do it real physical damage. WikiLeaks? Of course we’ll reprint the state secrets they reveal–nobody’s going to do anything more than show “outrage” (faux) as a result. But a satirical cartoon? That’s not worth getting killed about, now is it?

    To knuckle under to these homo non sapiens is to deliver the message that we don’t really believe what we espouse, that we are really more like them than they know–willing to follow instructions from our own imams and give up our liberty for essentially nothing. If we can’t show our outrage against radical Islam any way we want to (short of directly harming somebody), the “brave men and women” Cracker and Reid are so worried about are actually wasting their time and risking their lives for NOTHING!

  • williamjameson

    in the toilet. It was an outrageous lie but the media take was that the crowds in Iraq overreacted and 15 people died as a result of the violence. It wasn’t the lie and Iraqi’s seeing the picture of a Koran in the toilet, it was the savages who became violent.

    My how liberals foment and the double standard decides what the truth really is. Funny how the double standard has a life of its own.

    And by liberal standards Obama is fomenting terrorist recruitment by attacking Libya. Yea right,, they’ll never say it about their messiah, at not mainstream libs. Fact is everything we do from eating pork, to using computers, to practicing Christianity foments terrorism and its going to be that way to the US submits to Islam………also known as never.