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A Tempest in a Tea Party Debate: Cuckoo Pants, Demagoguery and Jenny McCarthyism

After busily spending an exhausting morning protecting my only child from nefarious, profiteering ‘crony capitalists’ bent on forcibly vaccinating her, I figured I could take a quick breather to discuss the CNN/Tea Party Express debate last night. In fact, I think I owe it to myself, since it made me all shake fist-y and scowling, which causes wrinkles and does not suit. For that alone, several on the debate stage, one in particular, must pay.

The debate started off usual enough, with ample entertaining moments. Huntsman began the mock-worthy moments with a very lame Kurt Cobain reference. I can only imagine that he was trying desperately to score the key GOP hipster demographic. I fully expected him to later say that Jeremy has spoken and Eddie Vedder will be his Vice President pick. He continued with this trend the rest of the evening; lame, irrelevant ‘jokes’ that did nothing but reinforce his pretentious and non-personable personality. His disdain for we rubes is palpable.

Santorum, bless his heart, finally got people to notice that he exists and actually scored an applause line. The applause caused him to look like he was about to wet his pants in surprise. He didn’t quite know what to do with himself. Which was Ron Paul’s vibe as well. Awkwardly out of place, even in his own suit. Can he please get some suits that, you know, fit? I can only guess that  tailors cannot fit suits for elves. Or, most tailors are Jooos!111, which of  course would mean Ron Paul cannot frequent any of their shops. While Ron Paul did come out with the most hilarious, albeit unintentionally so, line of the night (he said he’d bring ‘common sense’ to the White House – if by common sense, he meant absolute insanity) I was rather disappointed that he didn’t double down on his cuckoo pants with regards to a border fence. Last debate, he said that he opposed a border  fence because it wouldn’t keep people out, but our own government could use it to keep people in. Cue scary music. I expected him to now say that a border fence would be used by Governor Perry to corral young girls so that he could forcibly vaccinate them.

Which brings us to the whole tempest thing and the biggest loser of the night: Michele Bachmann.

When Wolf Blitzer uttered the dreaded G Word That Shall Not Be Named, I desperately wished for a vaccine myself at that moment. So that I could cut myself with the needle. I had enough of the absurd Gardisil debate; a debate that should actually be moot since the law never even went into effect and Governor Perry has said time and time again that he made a mistake for which he takes full responsibility. However, it turns out that it was a good thing that it came up again, if only to expose the cuckoo pants and Jenny McCarthyism in our midst. I liked Michele Bachmann. A lot. I defended her over and over, sometimes even indignantly. Argued with friends and people whom I respect greatly in her defense. That ends now. Blatant lying and demagoguing children, born and unborn, is a deal breaker for me and that is exactly what Michele Bachmann did. The only thing I don’t know is whether or not she is actually cuckoo pants or if she’s just lying and using children and the fears of their parents to score political points. It really makes no difference to me; either way, she has shown she is of bad character. She started exposing herself with this statement, offered during the debate itself:

“BACHMANN: I’m a mom. And I’m a mom of three children. And to have innocent little 12-year-old girls be forced to have a government injection through an executive order is just flat out wrong. That should never be done. It’s a violation of a liberty interest.

That’s — little girls who have a negative reaction to this potentially dangerous drug don’t get a mulligan. They don’t get a do- over. The parents don’t get a do-over. That’s why I fought so hard in Washington, D.C., against President Obama and Obamacare.

President Obama in a stunning, shocking level of power now just recently told all private insurance companies, you must offer the morning-after abortion pill, because I said so. And it must be free of charge. That same level coming through executive orders and through government dictates is wrong.

Firstly, I’m a mom, too, if we are all playing the mom card. And I call baloney. No one, not one child, was *forced* to have a ‘government injection’, whatever the hell that is. I dare Ms. Bachmann to find such a child – perhaps she can ask Alex Jones for help in doing so. The law did not go into effect. And even if it had, one could opt-out. Easily, for cripes sake. There was even a way to do it online, to save oneself the oh-so-arduous task of physically signing a one paragraph piece of paper. Is this what our founding fathers fought for? Give me NO 1 paragraph simple Gardisil opt-out form requiring only my signature, or give me death!

Secondly, I’m no doctor but I’m apparently smarter than Ms. Bachmann  – a lawyer who also does not seem to know the difference between ‘hey, this is a stinky idea’ and ‘unconstitutional. Because it seems to me that females who GET CANCER do not get a ‘do-over’. Furthermore, she repulsively equated potentially life-saving vaccinations with the morning after pill – a pill that ends life. She not only used children to score political points, but she also did so on the backs of the unborn. I found this revolting. It is inexcusable and the antithesis of what she claims she stands for. What’s next? Mandatory measles vaccines! They are just like China’s One Child policy! For shame, Bachmann.

Vaccinations save lives. What we call ‘mandatory’ vaccinations exist in every state; children cannot attend school without receiving them. This is not new. We vaccinate to both prevent disease and to eventually eradicate the disease, at least for all intents and purposes. This is called ‘herd immunity’ and eradication of disease cannot happen without it. I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m not a fan of disease and think that trying to eradicate disease whenever and wherever possible is a good thing. The ‘fierce fighter’ Michele Bachmann should understand this. I mean, vaccinations are mandatory in HER state, including immunization for Hepatitis B – a disease that is contracted through behavior. Minnesota doesn’t even offer a parental opt-out. How can this be? Are you encouraging promiscuity in your state, Ms. Bachmann, by requiring girls to get a Hep B vaccine? Are you damaging them and not allowing them any do-overs? Or are you only an outraged mom when it is convenient for you?

Bachmann doubled down after the debate, along with Sarah Palin. Bachmann told a tall tale about a girl who received a vaccine and totally caught the mental retardation:

“I will tell you that I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Fla., after the debate. She told me that her little daughter took that vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter,” Bachmann said.

She continued: “The mother was crying what she came up to me last night. I didn’t know who she was before the debate. This is the very real concern and people have to draw their own conclusions.”

I have , in fact, drawn a couple of conclusions, Ms. Bachmann. You are a Jenny McCarthyist and you are a liar. Also, not very bright. One is born with mental retardation. You cannot ‘catch’ it nor can you get it from a vaccination. What you can get, without vaccinations, are diseases. All the fear mongering in the world can’t erase that fact. The science is settled.

Unfortunately, Sarah Palin jumped on the Bachmann cuckoo train and lambasted Perry for ‘crony capitalism’ regarding Gardisil and Merck – the only company to make the vaccine. I suppose Governor Perry should have gone into his lab and whisked up some batches of the immunization himself, so as to avoid any seeming impropriety. Governor Palin said the following last night:

She pointed out that at the time Perry was boosting the vaccine in Texas, she was opposing it in Alaska, and she thought Perry’s order was strange “because it just didn’t sound like Governor Perry,” who she thought was against big government.

“I knew even at that time something was up with that issue. And now we’re finding out, yeah, something was up with that issue,” she said.

But wait, what’s this? Alaska accepted federal funds so that all Alaskan girls, ages 9 to 18, could receive Gardisil free of charge? During Governor Palin’s term? Well, free for them. Of course we, the taxpayers, were charged being that it was federally funded. I guess that kind of big government is A-Okay. I’m just a rube, who is evidently also now an Elitist beltway type, but I far prefer if states decide their immunization requirements – and pay for them themselves – than states running to big daddy government for money. That’s ‘crony capitalism’ of the worst and dirtiest sort; getting in bed with the feds required Valtrex, not just a Gardisil vaccine. Worse, Palin’s administration made us all crony capitalists by taking our money and sending it to Merck, the ONLY distributor of the Gardisil vaccine. Forcible collusion!

Enough. Bachmann has shown herself to be ill-informed, at best and a demagoguing liar, at worst. The entire Gardisil controversy is absurd, regardless. The law never went into effect. It does not exist, much like Obama’s Jobs bill. Not one child was forcibly immunized, nor will they ever be. Even ‘mandatory’ immunizations for school, including the Hepatitis B vaccine which Fierce Fighter Moms apparently have no problem with, can be opted out of easily by parents. Well, unless you are in Bachmann’s Minnesota, of course.

 

 

 

COMMENTS

  • momac

    I actually loved Bachmann, in the absence of Sarah Palin. She seemed no-compromise on Obamacare and stood up and enunciated why clearly.

    But first the Social Security Ponzi Scheme issue, and now the Gardasil, I am done with her. It’s not even her idea that vaccinations are dangerous. I’m not into mandatory anything. It’s here obvious willingness to grab whatever club is at hand to attack the leader in the polls. Which she will never be again.

    • michelle0714h

      I dont believe that Bachman’s disagreement with this is some trumped up medical issue. I believe that she actually believes that giving this to young girls somehow gives them the idea that sex is now “safer” and so they will engage in premarital sex more often. She doesn’t have the balls to admit it so she made up this other crap so she could still be against the drug and not sound like a moonbat.

  • snowshooze

    I have heard reference to Sarah, bless her heart, speaking last night twice here now and I am glad you expanded upon it.
    I believe that debate was very important to all of us as it exposed in more than one candidate, a weak side to us which we were unaware previously, therefore, I consider the debate a monumental success.
    Bachmann, Huntsman and Paul, they should all recieve the Rabies vaccine. Santorum is looking a bit funny too.
    I look forward to the next one.

    • refudiateobama2012

      Before jumping to conclusions and depending on what’s been written here, you might want to consider other sources.

      • snowshooze

        Because I could not watch the debate live.
        So at first, the mention of Sarah, bless her heart, speaking last night, I thought an error. Musta been some post-debate show.

        • pttx333

          Bah!

    • pttx333

      I’ve been slamming Sarah and Michelle all day for their sleazy antics and have forgotten my Texas manners in the process. So, here goes: “Palin and Bachmann are behaving like two spoiled-brat teenagers … BLESS THEIR HEARTS.” There, I fixed it.

  • onemovoter

    Just wish there was a recommend button.

    I’m glad to hear people using common sense on these issues instead of feelings.

    Also seems that most of the people here at RS share your disgust. I do too, and was up late last night trying to see where this was going.

    Again great entry.

  • refudiateobama2012

    I have to question Ziganto’s motive of trying to paint Palin as a hypocrite on this issue. Michelle Malkin has already shredded that stupid argument.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2011/09/13/the-right-and-wrong-way-to-talk-about-gardasil/

    To suggest that Palin’s argument about cronyism and her opposition to a mandate is somehow blunted by the fact that Alaska, purchased Gardasil through its Medicaid program, is beyond stupid.

    FACT: Perry circumvented the TX Legislature and signed an Executive Order to mandate Gardasil vaccinations.

    FACT: Perry was the recipient of Merck political donations.

    FACT: Perry’s COS became a Merck lobbyist,

    FACT: Palin is on record as opposing mandates for this type of vaccination.

    FACT: Palin stated that the Perry/Merck relationship reeked of cronyism.

    FACT: At the time that Palin praised Bachmann for bringing up the Gardasil/cronyism issue, Bachmann has not yet made the claim that the vaccine caused MR.

    Ziganto needs to do her homework before she tries to push a meme that is not supported by the facts. In other words, she needs to “quit making things up”.

    Malkin 1 Ziganto 0

    • Bill S

      She did not say a thing that contradicts any of that, nor did she suggest that Palin is a hypocrite. Palin was more of a liar than a hypocrite by saying that she was “opposing” Gardisil, when all the while her state was taking federal funds to promote its use.

      Why don’t you stick with “refudiating” Obama rather than an article that you clearly didn’t comprehend.

      • refudiateobama2012

        Palin did not oppose Gardasil. She opposed mandating it. Besides, I doubt that a governor has the authority to block a drug funded and approved by Medicaid.

        • Bill S

          From the Politico article, which you apparently neglected to click through and read:

          Van Susteren asked another question, but Palin wasn

          • onemovoter

            Is during the interview, she “inferred” that there was some kind of crony capitalism with the Merck deal. Palin should know better than to infer some kind of conspiracy without any facts proving so. She’s been the target of so many conspiracies that have damaged her and even had to sue a few people to get retractions.

            This behavior by her is unbecoming. It really disappointed me and lost my respect in her doing this.

            All she had to do is say that it’s legit to ask the question of Perry and have him answer and that be it. That would have been fair of her and wouldn’t garner scorn like she’s gotten from others.

          • memc

            I have lost respect for Palin a long time ago. On Fox, Santorum and Gingrich were suspended because they were planning to run for president. Huckabee was asked to make a decision and step down if he was running.

            Fox news has become deaf, dumb, mute and blind with Sarah Palin. She has stated she will make a decision by the end of September. All the while, being a Fox contributor taking down her opponents while on their payroll.

            With the silence coming from Fox, I wonder if she told them she is not running and is stringing along her followers or they are both (Palin and Fox) fine with paying her to take down her opponents on television without declaring or her opponents defending themselves.

    • rubb

      You have no facts that anything unethical was done, just that somebody attempted to institute a policy you disagree with. So the facts are that you are slandering a man that has a history of honorable behavior because a lawyer involved in politics went to work as a lobbyist in Washington DC. Grow up! When a person makes arguments that insult a persons character instead of arguing the pros and cons of a policy, they become just like those boneheaded leftist at think progress. When Reagan layed out the 11th commandment, this is exactly what he meant. He never failed to argue his point, but he did not insult the person that opposed him, he just shredded their policies. I live in Texas, I opposed the governors policy at the time, but I never accused him of trying to impose the policy out of criminal intent, and I would hope you don’t really believe that was his motive.

    • irishgirl

      FACT: Perry was the recipient of Merck political donations.
      Gee, was he the only politician Merck ever contributed to? Further, records show that the total (from year 2000 on) that Merck contributed to Perry didn’t ever get them in his top 200 donors.

      As the mother of 2 daughters here in Texas, I say this is a great article, Lori.

  • jaykali

    Very well said. The whole Gardisil is a stupid issue for purists. Are we going to keep litigating something that never became law? So I guess if you get up in arms ab Gardisil it is bc you think Perry (or any Republican) is going to go around issuing mandates for everybody? Non-sense. And of the 3 legitimate candidates to be the next president I would trust Perry over Romney and Obama to be the least intrusive of the 3. Bachmann panders and we have enough of that. Romney is doing well in these debates, I don’t mind him but I tend to like Perry more. Personally you give me the worst of all of the candidates, any of them would be better than Obama. Paul would be the most likely to scare the hell out of people, it’s a moot point anyways.

  • http://wadingacross.wordpress.com logus

    Let me know if you’ve heard this one already.

    Is it possible that Michelle has already done a Dukakis on herself?

  • rowdydfw

    It involves my grandchildren.

    In 2003 the Texas Legislature passed a bill, I believe it was called H2992, but not sure. It offered Texas parents, for the first time in history to opt out of ANY immunization that parents deemed dangerous to their children. Or you can call it an opt in, if you want to get into semantics. You could file a ‘conscience’ or a ‘contientous objector’ status.

    My daughter in 2003, being somewhat of a control freak picked up the the forms and filled them out. And I believe only had to turn them back into the school. Opted her daughter out of required immunizations when she entred school. This wasn’t to avoid immunizations, it was just so she gets to say what needles are poked into her children.

    She even took the forms to the hospital for the next stairstep two children when they were born. Just to make sure that nobody poked a needle in her newborns before the pediatrician examined them to make sure they had no conditions that could be exerbated with a vaccination. She kept their immunizations updated as well as their records. Again, she wanted to decide. As the next one entered school, she just filed the same form for them., etc. She doesn’t ever have to fill out another opt out form as long as her children are in school.

    I will say that that has all CHANGED now for those that didn’t opt out in 2003-2007. Our delightful legislature who took great exception to Governor Perry’s ExO and demogoged him relentlessly for it…opened up the education statutes and screwed a number of things up. One being, that parents now, in order to opt out, have to get a buttload of forms from the state, go to a doctor and get his signature on all of them, then have their own signatures notarized, and file them with the state….EVERY TWO YEARS!

    Now had Governor Perry been hell bent on forcing immunizations on children, in 2007, why would he have signed into legislation a bill allowing parents to opt out or opt in for ANY immunizations in 2003?

    In 2007 when he wrote his ExO, putting it on the mandated list so as to get it paid for for those that wanted it, he turned around in the next sentence and put the responsibility back into the hands of the parents where it belongs, with an opt out…or if you want to play on semantics, an opt in.

    Now why the campaign can’t see this as clearly as I can and put this mess to bed, I don’t know. Unless…

    We all know we’re dealing in politics here. I was reading some articles last night dated back in 2003 or 2004 which special interest people (health types) and democratic reps were raising a hue and cry over the 2003 bill. Making all kind of claims about how dangerous the bill was, and posing statistics, et al. There weren’t many statistics at the time because the number of opt outs weren’t that many, so no opportunity to get any real statistics. But there were a lot of hot air words.

    So we know, in politics, you’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t….and no matter what you do the opposition is going to demagogue you even when they agree with you for the most part.

    Maybe the Perry campaign didn’t want that ugly mess to rear it’s ugly head. Who knows.

  • http://theheartlander.wordpress.com/ heartlander

    One of the weird twists in this whole issue was that the opt-out was only guaranteed for public-school students. Ironically enough, many private schools – including, notably, many Catholic schools, of all things – did not accept conscientious objections from parents. (I have no idea why this was.) In other words, if I, as a Catholic parent did not want my daughter – for a number of reasons – to get this vaccination, I would have to choose between buckling under and having her vaccinated, or pulling her out of Catholic school and sending her to a public school!!

    As you said, it’s all moot, because it didn’t go through. But there are reasons this is such an emotional issue for people.

    For me, vaccines in general are a sensitive area, because many commercially available vaccines are made using cell lines that come from aborted fetuses. I refuse to get such vaccines for myself or my children. In most cases, there is an ethical (i.e., not derived from aborted fetuses) vaccine available, and I simply request the doctor to order that brand if they don’t already have it on hand.
    You can find out more about this issue at Children of God for Life

    One more reason I don’t like Gardasil is that it’s made by Merck, which Children of God for Life has found to be a prominent actor in the Culture of Death. If you look at that chart at the above link, you can see how many of the aborted-fetal cell-line vaccines are made by Merck: MOST of them. Merck has also been very spiteful and vengeful toward concerned pro-lifers who have tried to negotiate with them to make ethical alternative vaccines available. This intransigence was the main reason CoGforLife has had a boycott going against them for some years.

    One more thing: Bachmann was correct that mental retardation can be incurred. I personally have known people who lost mental abilities due to disease or injury to the brain. If you don’t know anyone that has become mentally disabled due to disease or injury, then you and all your acquaintances are lucky people indeed!

    Let me note that Rick Perry is my preferred candidate at this point in time. When there was a public outcry, he backed off. One of the reasons he wanted to make the vaccination mandatory is that otherwise insurance would not cover it, and the $360 total cost would have been prohibitive for many families. Also, as he has said many times, he has a very personal animus against cancer, and wants to reduce its incidence any way he can.

    I just wanted to correct you on some technical details here. People are not hysterical and irrational just for opposing what Perry did. We can still think Perry may be the best candidate for President without having to agree with his reasoning and decisions on every single issue.

    • rightwingmom52

      Thank you for exposing the darker side of vaccinations, i.e., how some are developed and for reminding us that alternatives are available.

    • irishgirl

      what you have stated that Bachmann was correct that MR can be incurred. I believe Bachmann meant specifically due to the Gardisil vaccination, did she not? So if you’re asserting this is a fact, please site your reference. Not trying to be argumentative, but would really like to know where this is coming from.

  • californiagold

    Remember the brief and dull campaign of Tim Pawlenty ? And remember how he avoided being critical of Romneycare during the first debate ? Now Pawlenty has come out with his endorsement of Romney. How special.

    In recent days Bachmann and Santorum have made personal attacks on Perry, while remaining silent on Romney’s long record of flip flops and liberal policies. I have no idea why Santorum is in the race other than to be a surrogate attack dog for Romney. As for Bachmann, she isn’t qualified to be president, and is acting like a Romney attack dog as well.

    Finally, if Santorum was so concerned about Perry’s questionable conservative record, then why did Santorum endorse liberal Arlen Specter over conservative Pat Toomey in the Pennsylvania senate race ?

    I smell a rat….or two.

  • septembergurl

    “His (Huntsman’s) disdain for we rubes is palpable.”

    Just between you and I (as you would no doubt say, Lori) you here make a classic error of hypercorrection (as we linguists say). Of course, the object of a preposition (for) cannot be nominative (we)– has to be “us”. But that didn’t sound right to you, in your linguistic and class insecurity, so you hypercorrect to “we rubes”.

    You are indeed a rube, dear. Stick to what you know, whatever that is, and don’t attempt to correct your betters.

    • Kenny Martsolf

      I shall rush right out and vote for Huntsman! Oh wait, I forgot that he is an insurmountable rube. I shan’t be voting for him, regardless what the English professor says on the internet. Please, make sure you correct all of the Red State grammatical errors, I wouldn’t want anyone to be misinformed within the voter booth.

  • positiveenerg

    Thank you so much for writing this passionate and sensible piece of writing. One of the things that almost always disappoints me about the left is that they seem to rarely call out their own when they cross the line. Being from Wisconsin, I was beyond frustrated and disappointed with my educated, calm, non-violent, thoughtful liberal friends (and family members) who agreed with the union position but never once even slightly hinted at condemning the behavior of the violent, annoying, obnoxious union activists in Madison. If I were a liberal, I would have been embarrassed to have them be on my side (and the same for the union longshoremen in Washington).

    When we have the credibility and courage to call out our own when they cross the line and embarrass all conservatives (which is what the self-serving Michele Bachmann did) … we demonstrate why we are the people with ideas, with credibility and honesty. This was brilliantly written. And this debate on the Republican side should continue long and loud … we should air all these issues now, fully vet the issues and the candidates so that the winner will have been fully tested and exposed for all that the Obama campaign will bring to the table against them.

    Great, great, great piece of writing, Lori! You are impressive and principled.

    • http://snarkandboobs.wordpress.com/ Lori Ziganto

      And this made me super shake fist-y. I’m still a bit red-faced and scowling.

      Anyway, thank you so very much for your extremely kind words. I may be red-faced due to *blushing* now! :)