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Public employee unions: The big money in politics

Is it any surprise that state legislators vote their donors state money?

A lot of people focus on the federal level when they think about politics. On the day after the 2010 election, I urged people to continue the fights at the state level. The unions — and especially the public employee unions — know that. Recall that in October of last year, the Wall Street Journal broke a very important story that found that AFSCME, the main non-teacher public employee union in the country, was the largest spender of the 2010 election. Their political director said, “we’re the big dog.”

I urge you to turn your eyes to the state level. The National Institute on Money in State Politics has an excellent site on money in state politics. Who are the #1 spenders in state politics? The public employee unions. #2 the gambling industry. In Wisconsin? The teachers unions are first and third, with the trial lawyers in fourth. Oh, and the Democrats themselves are in second.

And ultimately, that’s why the Democrats in the state legislature are AWOL. They are worried about their money getting cut off. You can see what the unions get for their money. They get state legislators who won’t even allow for a vote to ask public employees contribute to their health care and pension, even at levels below the national or Wisconsin average.

However, one of the Democrats has realized the flaw in their plans. A budget requires 20 votes to pass in the state senate. But simply removing the collecting bargaining rights only requires a simple majority. Let’s hope that the Republicans take the opportunity of Democratic absence to deal with the situation appropriately.

COMMENTS

  • Castor

    Positive voter ID !
    Arizona type law against illegals !
    Anti-sanctuary city law !
    Obligatory Ultrasound before abortions !
    GO FOR BROKE and BREAK THE LEFT !

  • Castor

    Positive voter ID !
    Arizona type law against illegals !
    Anti-sanctuary city law !
    Obligatory Ultrasound before abortions !
    GO FOR BROKE and BREAK THE LEFT !

    • carolina
  • http://redmeatconservative.blogspot.com/ dhorowitz3

    If you speak to any liberal drone in the street they will speak incessantly of Karl Rove and Republican corporate money. They know nothing of AFSCME. The difference between the two is that anyone who contributes to Crossroads, is willingly and overtly funding a political cause. Most of AFSCMEs contributions come form those who simply hand over their money by virtue of union membership. All of that money is funded by taxpayers.

  • reaganauh2o

    Separate the collective bargaining portion from the budget bill and pass it with a simple majority while the dems hide outside state lines. The unions already caved on the financial aspects; hold them to it when they get back after taking care of the collective bargaining issue.

    • Flagstaff

      http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/02/17/wi-showdown-democrats-not-needed-for-regular-business/

      As you write,

      “But simply removing the collecting bargaining rights only requires a simple majority. Let?s hope that the Republicans take the opportunity of Democratic absence to deal with the situation appropriately.”

      It’s been reported today that Republicans in Wisconsin will be getting back to work today. It’s not clear that they have the guts to do what they should do. If they do, it would serve two admirable purposes. First, the bill would be passed. Second, it would be a lesson to the Democrats who always try to game the system when the system isn’t in their control.

      It would be sweet karma.

      • Flagstaff

        They’ve never learned how to play well with others.

      • Finrod

        http://www.wqow.com/Global/story.asp?S=14070166

        .. Republican Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald says he will not attempt to pass any portions of the bill without Democrats present. The Senate is meeting Tuesday to take up other measures, such as a resolution commending the Green Bay Packers on winning the Super Bowl.

        You’d think they’d have something more important to do than congratulating their football team.

        • Flagstaff

          don’t respect them. Not in the morning, nor in the evening either.

        • Flagstaff

          Republicans will come armed with nail clippers.

        • carolina

          much like they are ignoring the dems and ramming things through when they are not there.
          Besides…… I think the longer this goes on, the worse the dems (and the unions) look.
          Public opinion is with Gov Walker. The more attention this situation gets, the better for the GOP, imo.

          • Flagstaff

            There is also a time for strategizing in the way you suggest. I don’t think this is that time. Majorities in both houses and the Governor’s mansion, and in public support. It’s like the Obamacare process, except they are doing the public’s will, not acting against it.

            The negative aspect is that eventually the Democrats will have majority. Will they then have support to change the law back?

          • johnhandel

            As much as the democrat absenteeism is hurting them, there is still the requirement to move forward. It does not take long before they are wasting time rather than working.

            There comes a point when the republicans in the WI legislature just need to start making the public statement: “We are working to do exactly what we were elected to do. We are being obstructed by the Democrat’s refusal to show up and do the jobs for which the taxpayers are paying them. We welcome the Democrats to the table. We welcome any alternative solutions they can offer for our present problem. We desire their involvement in the lawmaking process, but in 48 hours, we will have to start doing what we can do for our state, even if the Democrats refuse to help.” Well, something to that effect.

            Then, after the time is up, just start doing everything that doesn’t require 20 congressmen present. The fact that they are calling out for the Democrats to join the process rather than locking them out is the first and biggest important distinction between Republicans handling majority power and Democrats handling the same.

            Side note: They should pass a law in WI allowing them to actually have the police ‘arrest’ the truant congressmen. Rather than taking them to jail, however, they are taken to the state capital (in cuffs is fine by me), then once enough are gathered for a quorum, lock them IN with guards on the doors. (I know of one state that does something like that. Truant congresspeople can be collected by the police to return to house and senate chambers, then locked in. It seemed to me to be a good idea.)

        • lineholder

          I’m thinking that I read that they have to have 20 votes and there are only 19 Republicans.

          • gekster
          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            The changes to the public-sector unions could be passed. I’m sure there’s other stuff they could separate that don’t have anything to do with spending.

          • lineholder

            that included the information I mentioned above. (Needle in a haystack, could take some time).

            But I’ve been under the impression that the reason WI Repubs haven’t already passed the legislation that includes collective-bargaining is because they need at least Dem to make up the 20 required.

            That’s why Walker sent out word to “find one”.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            By WI state constitution, 20 senators are required for a quorum on spending bills. Only a simple majority is required to pass the legislation. That’s why the Dems skipped town, because they knew if they showed up for work the bill would pass.

            Bill that do not include spending don’t have the quorum requirement, so there’s business they can be doing without them being there. One of the things they plan to do is approve appointments by the Gov.

            So, waiting for the Dems to get back has the appearance of reaching across the aisle. That’s not what the voters in Wisconsin asked for, and it’s not what the majority of Americans want anymore either.

            What Americans want is for politicians to stop spending money like my ex-wife.

          • lineholder
          • Finrod

            For things that do not change the budget such as taking away (some) public union bargaining rights, it would appear that all they need is a simple majority for a quorum.

          • lineholder

            My first response was for my respect for Walker to drop a bit….just a little bit. How hard would Repubs in the state, Walker included, get hit if they pass it without Dem involvement?

            Remember the HC deform bill, how it went down, public response????

            Are they try avoid potential of the same kind of backlash?

          • Cheetah772

            Senate Rule 26, if I remember correctly, states that in order to meet quorum, a majority has to be present. And 19 Republicans does consist a majority.

            So, is it possible for Republicans to proceed on with other business that’s not related to budgetary appropriations? If so, then can they amend the bill to resolve the limitations on union’s collective bargaining powers only, and vote on it to end the impasse once for all? All other budgetary provisions put so forth in the bill can be put on hold until Democrats get back in town.

            If that is doable, then I’d advise Republicans to do it quickly and decisively.

          • lineholder

            Looks like the Republicans have something else in mind.

        • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

          They’re floating the idea of fast-tracking a Voter ID bill.

          • lineholder

            out of the woodwork….

            Which sacred cow will come first, I wonder? The cow of the “past” or the cow of the “future”???

          • acat

            the Conservatives had better take the opportunity!

            Mew

          • carolina

            for consideration while the dems play hooky!

          • carolina

            for consideration while the dems play hooky!

        • gandalfthewhite

          First, as Finrod points out, much of what is on the Legislative agenda is meaningless … “commending the Green Bay Packers” is nice, but in the priority of what matters to Wisconsin voters, that shouldn’t take more than 30 seconds … and doesn’t warrant Wisconsin citizens paying their legislature to spend time on it.

          Many legislators are attorneys so it might be useful to remind them that they are paid and hold office to be present and to work. Absence to willfully obstruct the business of the legislature should be grounds for docking of pay and benefits, arrest, and ultimately impeachment. Finally, the citizens of Wisconsin should have the backbone to either file a recall petition or vote the criminals out of office at the earliest opportunity.

          Republican Majority Leader Fitzgerald should recognize his obligation as Majority Leader is to move legislation effectively and efficiently through the Senate. If the Democrats have taken their pails and shovels and left the sandbox, that’s their problem.

          I might remind him that President Truman, when faced with the USSR “leaving” the Security Council, used the opportunity to allow the UN to move forward to the aggression in Korea. Fitzgerald and the Republicans should do the same … the Dems will rush back fast enough once they realize it will be “business as usual” without them.

  • http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/ soquelbythecreek

    How are the biggest spenders in American politics and to which party do they give their money?

    Here’s a list of the top spenders and their political leanings.
    http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A

    #1 is ActBlue, essentially a money-laundering organization for the Democratic Party with 99% going to Democrats.

    AFSCME is #3 on the list, with 98% going to the Democratic Party. AFSCME tends to give directly to politicians.

    Service Employees International Union (SEIU) is #11 on the list, but SEIU tends to spend its money on 527 political committees. SEIU was the largest spender on 527s in the 2004, 2006, and 2008 elections, spending more than $133 MILLION.
    http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/2010/10/big-spenders-behind-scenes.html

    Then, there are the underhanded organizations like The Patriot Majority, which were funded by union bosses and casino bosses. There’s a alliance for principled leadership (sarcasm).
    http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/2010/10/fake-tea-party-group-appears-in-nevada.html

    • http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/ soquelbythecreek

      Who are the top spenders in California politics? Evil corporations, right? Nope!

      California Fair Political Practices Commission (FPCC) report “Big Money Talks: California’s Billion Dollar Club.”
      http://www.fppc.ca.gov/reports/Report31110.pdf

      Page 10: “The 15 That Spent $1 Billion to Influence California Voters and Public Officials”

      1. California Teachers Association (CTA): $211,849,298
      2. California State Council of Service Employees (SEIU): $107,467,272
      3. Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America $104,912,997
      4. Morongo Band of Mission Indians $83,600,438
      5. Pechanga Band of Luiseno Indians $69,298,909
      6. Pacific Gas & Electric Company $69,240,759
      7. Chevron Corporation $66,257,132
      8. AT&T Inc. $59,619,677
      9. Philip Morris USA $50,756,360
      10. Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians $49,078,448
      11. Southern California Edison $43,412,031
      12. California Hospital Association $43,281,456
      13. California Chamber of Commerce $39,065,861
      14. Western States Petroleum Association $35,214,325
      15. Aera Energy LLC $34,671,163

    • nick2000

      The Chamber of commerce too…

      These numbers are interesting but they only cover DIRECT contributions, not indirect advertising. For example, we should technically include the time spent by FOX advocating Republicans and to a lesser extent by MSNBC advocating some Democrats.

      You are getting a distorted view here.

      • johnhandel

        Media Derrangement Syndrom: The irrational belief that the Fox News’ positive coverage of Republicans and negative coverage of Democrats, excluding legitimate news stories (Representative X under investigation for money laundering or corruption, etc) is somehow more time and more coverage than the negative coverage of Republicans and positive coverage of Democrats on any other network, let alone all other networks combined.

        Side note: Not only is MSNBC far more left of center than Fox is right of center, a much higher percentage of MSNBC employee contributions go to Democrats than Fox employees to Republicans.

        As to the top 20 all-time donors, it is a very interesting breakdown.

        Keep in mind that some amounts are divided 99% and 0%. Since there are 50% and 0% splits and 0% and 0% splits further down, I suspect there is a little in rounding, and some where the group receiving the donation falls neither under the D or R tag. Bear in mind that these numbers may be up to 1-2% off for rounding errors. All that said, from the 20 top all-time donors, we have:

        Total: $643,867,495. That went:

        Democrat: 80.4%, $517,394,826.24
        Republican: 18.3%, $117,977,264
        Other: 1.3%, $8,495,404.84

        16 of the top 20 contributors were unions or professional/semi-governmental associations (NEA, AAJ, etc), whose total $486,445,343 contribution (75.6% of total top 20 contributors) went:

        Democrat: 85%, $413,273,586.06
        Repubican: 13.7%, $66,584,176
        Other: 1.4%, $6,587,580.80

        That is right: From the top 20 contributors, They gave Democrats more than $4.35 for every $1 they gave to Republicans. Reduce it to only the unions in that group, and it is more than $6.20 to Democrats for every $1 to Republicans.

        This also gives a very important clue as to why Democrats are so into campaign fiance reform laws. Of the top 25 contributors from 1989-2010, at most only two of the groups that would be affected by those laws gave more than 50% of their total contribution to Republicans. Just about every group that favored Democrats 80% or more have been exempted from any campaign finance laws.

        For the sake of argument, I took it up to the top 100 donors. (Get a lot more of that eeevil corporate money into it.) Those results, for the total $1,837,234,268 (which, if I recall, is larger than the entire national budget some 4 or 5 years ago) was:

        Democrat: 61.3%, $1,125,774,376.05
        Republican: 37.4%, $687,316,745.33
        Other: 1.3%, $24,143,146.62

        Yep, even throwing in all the evil corporate money from the top 100 contributors, $1.64 was given to Democrats for each $1 given to Republicans.

        As pointed out above, this is only direct contributions, not money spent in indirect advertising. SEIU, NEA, etc spent obscene amounts of money on Democrats above and beyond this.

        • nick2000

          As you say, “As pointed out above, this is only direct contributions, not money spent in indirect advertising.”

          Indeed, we do not see the “submarine”/secret/backdoor… whatever advertisement sources so we cannot compare anything. So, yeah, those numbers are interesting but they only cover what is actually disclosed. There is a lot of funding that is not disclosed which could be much HIGHER than what is disclosed.
          For instance Section 527 (501 too actually) is where most money is channeled. Conveniently, the sources are not disclosed. For all we know, it could be some union, a corporation, a rich individual or even a foreign entity (Venezuela?). Maybe it’s time that we clean that up if we want to reclaim the election process?

          Note about your “media derangement syndrome” comment: if you looked at *actual* leftist media (as available in South America or maybe in Europe), you would notice that we get a distorted view of where the goal posts are. We did manage to corner the real leftists and there are not many *real* leftists in the US anymore. My point is that we need to keep the whole picture in mind here otherwise if we keep moving the goal posts to the right we will end up having to chose between center right and extreme right (with center right being called leftists by the extreme right…). Check this chart out for an eye opening view on our political landscape http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008
          Now compare this with Irish elections: http://www.politicalcompass.org/ireland2011

          • johnhandel

            Well, since the 527 backdoor is a fairly recent invention, the numbers still tell an important tale. Besides, much can be known about many of the 501 and 527 groups. (Some of them have unions as their major contributors, even.) Not all of them have their contributors hidden as carefully as you suggest, though many do. Another important detail is that many of the unions’ political budgets have proven larger than many 527′s and 501′s entire operational budgets. (In the last election cyclle, all available numbers showed that SEIU spent more on advertisments than any 527.)

            Either way, the numbers are not useless. They are not the whole/big picture, but they are an accurate representation of PART of the picture. So long as that is kept clearly in mind, they are extremely useful.

            I agree with cleaning up the donation picture and reclaiming the election process, but it will be a failed effort so long as the fox is guarding the henhouse. (So long as most lawmakers are the ones writing the financing rules.)

            I have seen, and reviewed, the political compass site enough times to know that for evaluation of the US political system, their evaluation is both fundametally flawed and fundamentally (though I do believe unintentionally) biased. I have read all they say about everyone on all sides thinking their questions are slanted. I have read everything about neo-liberalism vs classical liberalism, and how the US shift in ideology and labels makes the word ‘liberal’ mean something different to us than the rest of the world, or even our own history. Since the classical label does NOT apply in the US today, attempting to fit the US political map to the old spectrum is going to result in errors. Further, while I do not know the accurate plotting of ALL the figures that they mention, even using classical definitions, their placement of the people that I do know about is flawed on either the new or classical scale. In short, any scale that places President Obama center-right, when he has pandered more than once to some of the most extreme elements in his party, is flawed. (I don’t care if your scale puts neo-liberalism on the far right and classical conservatism on the far left, putting the President as center-right is STILL fundamentally flawed.) My determination that their scale is flawed, at least in the US, is based on more than just political figures. Every person that I know, that has taken their test, has been misplotted, even using the site’s own definitions for left/right/libertarian/authoritarian.

            Yes, on any scale, the extreme right would call center-right leftists, and the extreme left would call center-left rightists. That does not, in itself, make this scale accurate, or the notion that most of the media is centrist viable.

            Yes, we have moved the goal posts. At the same time, as is so often true in the US, we are playing a DIFFERENT game. Trying to apply that scale to the US political spectrum is like trying to judge and referee a football game to soccer rules…without telling the players, coaches, or fans.

          • http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/ soquelbythecreek

            Nick2000, you are correct about 527s and 501s.

            Let’s look at who were the biggest spenders on 527s in the 2004, 2006, and 2008 races. I need to update for the 2010 numbers, but the previous top spender is STILL the top spender.

            The Big Spenders Behind the Scenes
            http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/2010/10/big-spenders-behind-scenes.html

            Here is the data table.
            http://www.editgrid.com/user/soquel_by_the_creek/top_527_spenders

            So who is the top funder of 527s? SEIU–the same union that boasted about spending $60M to elect President Obama. The same union whose then President was a frequent White House visitor. The same union whose former President and former Secretary/Treasurer were appointed to Presidential commissions and boards.
            http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-obama-sternjun28,0,5918169.story

            You are also correct about 501s. There is abuse from both the Left and the Right. I tracked two and I’m sniffing out a third.

            Here’s the analysis of The Patriot Majority–a Left-funded bogus Tea Party-sounding group. Who are the relatively anonymous donors to this group? The top two are SEIU (surprise!) and the American Federation of Teachers (AFT).

            “A Fake Tea Party Group Appears in Nevada”
            http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/2010/10/fake-tea-party-group-appears-in-nevada.html

            Here’s an article about the lame group from the Right.

            “A Fake Latino Reform Group Appears in Nevada”
            http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/2010/10/fake-latino-reform-group-appears-in.html

      • http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/ soquelbythecreek

        @Nick2000, then how do you explain these other “anomalies”? These are media bias?

        Who are the top two political spenders in California politics? California Teachers Association and SEIU? Source: California Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC), page 10. http://www.fppc.ca.gov/reports/Report31110.pdf

        Which groups contribute primarily to California Democrats, who have a nearly 2-to-1 majority in both Houses of the California Legislator and hold all major constitutional offices? Why hasn’t there been any effective action on pension reform?
        http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/2010/06/what-influences-california-politics.html

        Which groups, via Proposition 27, tried to essentially formally institute one-party rule in California by attempting to eliminate the Citizens Redistricting Commission and return all redistricting decisions back the California Legislature–again, controlled by one party with a 2-to-1 majority. Thankfully, Proposition 27 was soundly defeated by California voters, despite the heavy funding from well-connected, out-of-state billionaires.
        http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/2010/09/proposition-27-revealed.html

        Please explain how I am getting a distorted view here when all finance disclosures show me who really owns the California government.

        Even Democrat State Treasurer, Bill Lockyer acknowledges this. In October 2009, the said “It’s impossible for this Legislature to reform the pension system and if we don’t, we bankrupt the state.

        And I don’t think anybody can do it here because of WHO elected you. You’re just captive of the current environment. I don’t see any way out.”
        [QUESTION: Who is the "who elected you"? Is it public-employee unions like the SEIU, teacher's union, and the prison guard union?]
        http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/2010/02/california-treasurer-lockyer-scolds.html

  • http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/ soquelbythecreek

    What influences California politics more, business or union money? The results might surprise you.
    http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/2010/06/what-influences-california-politics.html

  • johnt

    The mafia never had it so good. Public unions and politicians, each living off one another, each parasitical.

  • http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/ soquelbythecreek

    Forget about the Mafia. What about when unions partner with casinos, as they did when they funded a fake “Tea Party” group in the Nevada Senate race called The Patriot Majority.

    Just look at where the money came from? And yet, the Left worries solely about the Koch brothers and Karl Rove.
    http://soquelbythecreek.blogspot.com/2010/10/fake-tea-party-group-appears-in-nevada.html