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Stopping START

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Rarely in our nation’s history have we been in such peril both at home and abroad. The mid term elections of November 3 which culminated in a thorough repudiation of the Obama regime were rightfully focused on its thoroughly negligent financial stewardship. Left unexamined was its equally incompetent foreign policy.

The disastrous faux diplomacy practiced by the Obama regime has increased the inherent instability along the ROK-DPRK border — there have been more border incidents under Obama than there were in the last five years of George Bush’s administration — and has seemingly tried to convert a war won in Iraq into a geopolitical disaster. These actions when coupled with Obama’s irresistible urge to bow and scrape before any and every foreign leader have not improved our standing in the world or made us safer. To the contrary, we are probably a greater risk now than we have been at any point since 1979.

Weakness and idealism are a lethal combination under all circumstances. It leads individuals to place themselves in dangerous situations for all the best reasons. When indulged in by nations it leads to war and disaster again for all the best reasons.

The US Senate has before it a proposed treaty with Russia which according to the administration is nothing more than a benign extension of Ronald Reagan’s "doveryai, no proveryai" or "trust, but verify." For reasons that are more than a little unclear, the Obama regime has chosen to make ratification of this treaty its highest priority insisting that the ratification take place during the upcoming lame duck session of Congress, an act unprecedented in our history. Far from being benign is exemplifies not only weakness and arguably some kind of a 1960s idealism it is nothing more than political desperation.

The US Senate should refuse to act upon this treaty during the lame duck session or at anytime in the future.

The current START treaty was negotiated by Hillary Clinton’s State Department and signed by Obama in April. Its advocates like to claim that it is nothing more than a continuation of the START treaty negotiated under George H. W. Bush and ratified in 1991. While true in some respects there are troubling points in the treaty which have not been adequately addressed by the Democrat Senate. For instance, any fair reading of the treaty clearly implies limits limits the ability of the United States to deploy our anti-ballistic missile defense network :

Recognizing the existence of the interrelationship between strategic offensive arms and strategic defensive arms, that this interrelationship will become more important as strategic nuclear arms are reduced, and that current strategic defensive arms do not undermine the viability and effectiveness of the strategic offensive arms of the Parties

Why the Russians should want to include non-nuclear weapons in a nuclear weapons treaty is obvious. They would like to regain control of the former constituent republics of the USSR as possible and they want to intimidate their former Warsaw Pact client states. Why the Obama regime would go along with this naked power grab needs aggressive exploration of the type that Foreign Relations Committee chairman John F. Kerry will not carry out and the burned out husk representing America’s interests on that committee, Senator Richard Lugar, is temperamentally incapable of undertaking.

That said, the reasons that the treaty should not be rushed through in the twilight of the current Congress do not lie in the treaty itself but in the context surrounding the treaty.

Like any contract, a treaty should be an agreement between a willing buyer and a willing seller. Good treaties like good contracts hold up over time, the North Atlantic Treaty comes to mind, while treaties imposed on weaker signatories tend to end badly, see Treaty of Versailles. Sometimes treaties are equitable and the strategic situation simply changes so drastically that it dies a natural death, the demise of SEATO and CENTO fall in this category.

There are, therefore, two central questions under consideration. First, is this treaty equitable and in America’s interests. Second, is this treaty so vital and time sensitive that it must it be ratified by a lame duck Senate.

In my view this current iteration of START makes even less sense than its predecessor. At least I understood why the first President Bush negotiated and signed that treaty. It was considered to be something of a pacifier for the Soviet apparatchiks smarting at the impending demise of the USSR. The administration of GHW Bush made a fetish out of the survival of the USSR — one often wondered if either Bush or Howard Baker were capable of living in a world that did not include the USSR — and this was simply another part of their efforts to keep that particular zombie in motion in the name of European security. START gave the United States nothing but it arguably gave the Soviet leadership a bit of their pride back and acted as a way of encouraging their good behavior as that particular grotesquerie passed into history.

At the time, though, Russia retained possession of significant arsenal of nuclear weapons and we weren’t exactly sure how they were going to act in this new world that didn’t include the USSR.

The strategic landscape has changed significantly since then. Russia is an economic basket case. The 16% decline in her GDP last year was only mitigated by the fact that Russian fertility rates and life expectancy continue to plummet striving to bring the population in line with the GDP and making that decline of less concern to Russian citizens.

Our first look at the USSR’s strategic missile forces under the original START called into question both their serviceability and security. There is no evidence that either has improved in the intervening 20 years.

All this leads to the inevitable conclusion that the treaty is not in America’s interests. The current iteration of START is unnecessary on its face from a strategic perspective because Russia, or so we’re told, isn’t our enemy. It is also an agreement between the world’s remaining superpower, that would be us, and a kleptocratic thugocracy that is in an economic and demographic death spiral. We have no reason to attack Russia and they, quite honestly, don’t have a reason to attack us assuming their national leadership was able to sober up long enough to order one.

But, counter the advocates, this treaty acts as a guarantor for Russia’s cooperation in dealing with Iran. Russia, they note, stopped its sale of the highly vaunted S-300 air defense system to the mullahs and in an astonishing display un-Russian-like behavior returned their money . Limiting our own strategic offensive and defensive arsenals seems like a rather oblique an expensive way of getting an ostensibly non-enemy power to stop an arms sales. And there is less to this sudden act of collegiality on the part of the Russians. The S-300 is a nearly 20 year old system that Russia has sold to all comers. Apparently the Chinese are selling the Iranians Chinese knock-offs of the S-300 making this much more a falling out of thieves than Russian high mindedness.

Advocates also insist that this treaty acts as a brake on nuclear proliferation. This argument is a three-cushion shot that fails. The reasoning is that if the US and Russia don’t reduce their level of armaments then other counties, like presumably North Korea and Iran, will have an incentive to acquire their own weapons. This argument is nonsense though it is much like the ones made by the left against invading Iraq back when even the left thought Iraq had a nuclear program. One, however, cannot dismiss this mindset as clinically deranged if only because our Secretary of State and President come from a political culture where American power is inherently evil in all its forms and the only way of limiting said power is through arming America’s enemies.

This proposed treaty is a combination historical relic and publicity stunt. Substantively it does nothing to make either the US or USSR safer.

Why then must this treaty be rammed through a lame duck session of Congress?

President Obama offered this gem in his Saturday radio address of November 20 :

Finally, some make no argument against the Treaty – they just ask for more time. But remember this: it has already been 11 months since we’ve had inspectors in Russia, and every day that goes by without ratification is a day that we lose confidence in our understanding of Russia’s nuclear weapons. If the Senate doesn’t act this year – after six months, 18 hearings, and nearly a thousand questions answered – it would have to start over from scratch in January.

If there is anything that is emblematic of the current regime’s blundering from issue to issue it is the insistence that whatever task they are taking up today must be done today and that it has already been studied way too long. Like virtually everything else uttered by the Obama regime there is a general disregard for "truthiness" in this pronouncement.

There is no deadline other than one manufactured by the White House. The original START expired last December calling into question why it is important that it pass now? And why wasn’t in important last year or in the first 10 months of this year.

To cut to the chase this is about Obama’s political future. The treaty wasn’t important before November 3 because he was too busy gutting the economy to get around to it. Now in the cold gray dawn of a post November 3 political landscape Obama realizes he needs something in order to remain relevant. That something, unfortunately for us and for our poor nation, is foreign policy. He cares less about START than about being seen to be driving the train on its ratification and, failing that, blaming Republicans for his failure to push this treaty over the past year.

COMMENTS

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    And on this subject, Jon Kyl has been excellent in terms of making sure it won’t happen in the Lame Duck session. From The Weekly Standard on 11/8…

    Much hash has been made about President Obama’s refocus on foreign policy in the aftermath of an election that wounded his party’s political ranks. That initiative may have suffered an equally damaging blow this morning, as Senator Jon Kyl — the GOP lead on the new Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty — said that it was unlikely that Obama’s prized nuclear weapons treaty will be passed during the lame duck session of Congress.

    • SusanAnne Hiller

      from my article at Big Peace. No one is talking about the Russian side of this and the fact that they revoked the approval of START because the treaty changed from its original form..

      http://bigpeace.com/sahiller/2010/11/26/why-is-obama-manufacturing-a-crisis-for-start-ratification/

      • throwback59

        interest be damned. Add to this, reports that the State Dept. has given off the record assurances to the Russians that the US won’t proceed with missile defense if the treaty passes.
        Kill this thing now!

      • streiff

        I’d missed the Duma actions but I was stunned by the pathological ease with which Obama has lied about there being a deadline.

        • calgacus

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/25/AR2010112502232.html

          • aesthete

            Funny how it’s conservatives who are the ones ostensibly stuck in a Cold War mindset. As mentioned above, there’s a good Krauthammer piece on the START treaty, as well.

          • streiff

            what the right points are. I should’ve asked Krauthammer for permission to think for myself.

          • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

            Aside from the obvious rudeness of a URL-only response linking to someone else’s opinion piece, I am getting a little sick and tired of Charles Krauthammer. He is the most condescending opinionator out there.

            In fact, National Review Online and their authors tend to be that way in general, everything from their extreme moderation of comments policies to their ridiculous page-opening pop-up seeking donations. If ever there was a “ruling elite” on the conservative side, these guys take the cake.

          • streiff

            Krauthammer’s article. I do have a problem with the idea that the “right points” are all there.

          • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

            and asked him to vote against it. Not that that matters much because he is a lame duck RINO, but I am still a constituent of his until January.

            My reasoning was President Obama like Jimmy Carter before him is a weak President and cannot negotiate from a position of strength. There is a better deal out there for the USA and we should flush this treaty.

          • calgacus

            I was essentially saying that he made several good arguments. I also wasn’t saying they were “better” than yours – in fact it is very similar to what you said.

          • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

            ruling class credentials when he called Tea Party activists “tea baggers” on Fox News. Although I may agree with him on most positions I was disturbed by that remark.

        • SusanAnne Hiller

          Shame we can all dissect this accurately, and they still continue to try to con us. The left really does think we are stupid. Great post Streiff!

          • lyddea

            What do we give up in new START? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

            We maintain our three-pronged nuclear capability, any one of which is sufficient to wipe a continent off the map. We maintain our ability to modernize our nuclear forces. We maintain and extend our verification regime in Russia.

            Fact: The US is a more dominant military power in a less nuclear world.

            Fact: Nuclear terrorism remains the greatest single threat to this country.

            Fact: Russian cooperation (on Afghanistan, Iran, etc.) is of great value in a way that can be measured in American lives.

            New START, an extension in truth of Reagan’s initial vision, serves each of these purposes, even if only a little. “Because Obama said it” is not enough. Not this time.

          • aesthete

            if what streiff wrote could be summarized as an “I hate Obama” op-ed. Streiff’s OP was cogent, and the criticism specific. Obama putting ratification of START is not a bad idea because the treaty is in and of itself a bad idea; it is poor foreign policy because it requires expending resources for a policy which is not obviously in America’s self-interest, and in which Russia clearly stands to gain. We should be making Russia work for ratification of this treaty, not the other way around (if we were to accept a treaty which hamstrings our technological progress on anti-missile defense at all). Assuming that Obama wants to pass START with the aim of future cooperation on Russia’s part, rather than to distract from a failing domestic agenda (quite the charitable assumption, that), what makes you think that Russia is going to see that as the message? Everything this administration has done vis a vis foreign policy has been amateur, reactionary, and subordinate to domestic and political goals: why would the Obama administration think that Russia would pick up on a subtlety that would be uncharacteristic of the administration? Right now, the message being sent is that a sitting President is dickering with the opposition about an arms treaty, and ignoring important developments in the Far East.

            If this turned out to have been the final step in a carefully-cultivated attempt to get cooperation from Russia on Iran and more aid and cooperation in Afghanistan, my hat would be off to the administration. The sloppy and crass way in which this, as all of Obama’s foreign policy, has been handled, and the apparent lack of coordination with the opposition policy, leads me to believe that this is not a deviation from the obtuse policy we’ve come to expect from the administration. Rather, it seems perfectly in line with other idiotic make-nice attempts in which something is given for nothing.

            (BTW, nuclear deterrence is no bane: if nuclear weapons were to disappear tomorrow, I imagine that the US would be in a weaker position tomorrow than it is today.)

          • zuckey6

            START and any other treaty with Communists should never be approved. They want world conquest. This makes them necessarily unworthy of neing trusted.

          • lyddea

            Let me note the content of your post, such as it is:

            it is poor foreign policy because it requires expending resources for a policy which is not obviously in America?s self-interest, and in which Russia clearly stands to gain

            No. It requires us to spend no resources. It is in our self-interest. And Russia doesn’t gain a thing, unless you feel political cover for their efforts to cut spending on nukes is something we should care about over our own self-interest.

            Why did I mention the “Obama said it” attitude in my post? Perhaps because that is underlies the reflexive response to this treaty. Behold, the rest of your post! Let me summarize…

            Assuming that Obama… rather than to distract from a failing domestic agenda… Everything this administration has done vis a vis foreign policy has been amateur, reactionary, and subordinate to domestic and political goals… why would the Obama administration… uncharacteristic of the administration… a sitting President is dickering with the opposition… my hat would be off to the administration… The sloppy and crass way in which this, as all of Obama?s foreign policy, has been handled… the obtuse policy we?ve come to expect from the administration… in line with other idiotic make-nice attempts

            Content free handwringing about Obama that does not even break for a moment to look at the treaty on its face.

          • GreyCloak

            Airforce Magazine said“ratify,” back in October.

            START I was initiated by President Reagan and expired last December . Start II was signed by President GHW Bush (Bush I) three weeks before Clinton took office. In 2002, WE withdrew from the ABM Treaty and Russia subsequently withdrew from START II. GW Bush (Bush II) signed the SORT Treaty with Putin that same year, limiting warheads.

            Apparently, when three Republican Presidents try to limit nuclear arms, it’s OK; but when Democrat President Obama does it, it’s not. THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

            I know that we’re all political on this board, but I have to take exception when the issue affects the world. Sometimes (perhaps rarely), we ought to just be citizens and recognize that (whether we like it or not), we have a President that The People elected.

            Some history is in order here. Many post, citing opinion pieces and things they read. I’ve LIVED through this.

            During the Cuban Missile Crisis (1962), I learned to go out into the hallway, face my locker, and tuck my head between my knees. Nobody mentioned the “kiss your a** goodby” part of the process. I subsequently learned that the USSR had been upset about our putting missiles in Turkey (and elsewhere, along their borders). One of my (years later) friends used to ride a jeep through the hinterlands of Turkey inspecting those sites. HE got to stay in $1/night hotels, while his Turkish driver was relegated to the 50-cent rooms.

            In 1969, I got to draw little “blast-circles” on a map. Using America’s 24-megaton maximum nukes (at the time), TWELVE of them would be sufficient to eliminate a third of America’s industrial capacity. The fact that 30 million Democrats would also be removed might bring a smile to some, but I respectfully disagree. It would be nice if reality trumped politics; those who prefer a better political outcome (like the Dems who can’t ratify a Free Trade Agreement that kills no one) might not like this. OH … back to the topic … at the time we had 24-megaton warheads, the Soviets had 100-megaton missiles.

            Just FYI … 21 kilotons was sufficient to destroy Nagasaki (we are the only nation that has ever used atomic bombs). My Father-in-Law (the surgeon) was stationed there with the US Occupation Forces, and never later used in civilian life all he learned about “plastic surgery” during his TDY with our Army. Reality sucks.

            NOTE: “mega” = ONE THOUSAND TIMES “kilo”.

            If Air Force and what used to be called SAC (the Stategic Air Command) agree with our President, perhaps US internal politics could take a break. There are MANY issues on which I disagree with President Obama, but this is not one of them.

            PS: It is unfortunate that some of our legislators are swayed by political contriutions. Raytheon contributed over two and a half $million to politicians in 2008 … about what it costs for ONE Patriot missile installation.

            Republican President Eisenhower warned us about the military-industrial complex … New START would deprive them of $millions (perhaps $billions) in revenue. And deprive Congress of $milllions in contributions.

          • JSobieski

            (1) That it is a sign of weakness to sign an agreement that doesn’t actually get you something that wouldn’t otherwise occur by not signing

            (2) The world is a different place than it was since Reagan was President. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that something occuring in the 80′s could be a tactical advantage back then. but not be a tactical advantage in 2010.

            A lot of experts in the 70s and 80s thought Reagan was a nut job, that he was too beligerent and reckless.

          • GreyCloak

            1) It is not a sign of weakness to sign an agreement that basically extends agreements signed over the past 30 years (by Republicans, no less). At a minimum, the 17-page (pdf) Treaty renews the limits on nuclear arms (and may reduce the quantities) and provides for mutual inspections that have not been performed since previous treaties expired. NOT signing gives us NO limits, and NO inspections. By ratifying, we GAIN limits and inspections.

            Unspoken is another concern: that we are somehow limiting anti-ballistic missile systems. The text of the Treaty addresses this:

            … current strategic defensive arms do not undermine the viability and effectiveness of the strategic offensive arms of the Parties,

            [Article III, Section 7 a] For the purposes of this Treaty:
            (a) A missile of a type developed and tested solely to
            intercept and counter objects not located on the surface of
            the Earth shall not be considered to be a ballistic missile to
            which the provisions of this Treaty apply.

            Unknown to most is a provision that we and the Russians notify each other of tests …. while this may occur informally, until a Treaty is signed, it is not required.

            These are things we gain by signing.

            2) It sure is. But North Korea and Iran are not included in this treaty. Of course, they don’t theoretically have nuclear bombs. The Russian Federation has well over a thousand, admits to it, and has reduced their number since Reagan, perhaps because of him!

            As Russia continues its forays into capitalism, it could not hurt to encourage them. On the world political stage, this treaty should help Russia overcome its paranoia towards the United States, and may provide cover for its government to go along with our concerns over North Korea and Iran.

            It has been a long time since Kruschev slammed his shoe on a table at the UN, rejecting the United States. But it is time we worked with them.

          • streiff

            conspiracy theories or Martian history.

            First it sort of ironic that you quote Air Force Magazine in your first paragraph and rail against the military industrial complex in the last. Make up your mind. Someone famous once said that a house divided against itself cannot stand. If I’m to credit your somewhat exotic post at all I must conclude that said military industrial complex is for ratification as that is the sector that is most vociferous in its support.

            Read the post carefully. No one has said anything in support of START or SORT. To the contrary, I specifically criticize GHW Bush for agreeing to START.

            Russia did not withdraw from anything. We withdrew from the ABM in 2003. START expired in 2008.

            Your views on the Cuban Missile Crisis and Turkish hotel rooms is perhaps interesting to you. To others not so much.

            Too bad when you were playing with your crayons and protractor you didn’t learn the reason Soviet weapons were larger than ours and why it didn’t make any difference. Since you apparently aren’t averse to vigorous bouts of self-beclowning we’ll let it pass. By the way, just to bring you up to date mega and kilo still meant the same thing when I went through NATO’s nuclear targeting course.

            One of the great things about this country is that we are allowed to think for ourselves and we don’t have to rely on the judgment of people with a career interest in the outcome to make our decisions.

            The fact is that the money trail in this case leads squarely to the people pushing ratification. Ratification supports the huge antiquated arms control bureaucracy. Who benefits from the decommissioning of weapons and the reprocessing of the fissile material? Not the people opposing this monstrosity.

          • GreyCloak

            I’ve told my Texas Senators what I think … their purely (local) political response has been (paraphrased) “We agree with the Tea Parties: we haven’t read the treaty, but we’re against it.” Neither one was up for re-election, this year.

            No one else has quoted the actual Treaty, so you ought to read it. It’s only a 17-page pdf. The 165-page Protocol attached to it is more boring: many pages of numbers that are left blank, but some more interesting stuff is implied.

            I quoted Air Force Magazine because it often reflects our military’s opinions. Adam Hebert, the Editor, is a civilian these days. Active military are unable to criticize or congratulate their Commander-in-Chief, by protocol.

            I don’t think the military-industrial complex is FOR “New START.” There is little money to be made in decommissioning old weapons or building new ICBMs, There IS money to be made building “anti-missiles.” In a remarkable confluence of politics and private enterprise, if the projects work, all will applaud … if they don’t, no one will be left to complain.

            Regarding “withdrawals,” you should read THIS article:

            Separately, “On Legal Status of the Treaty Between Russia and the USA on Further Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms’, Russian Foreign Ministry Statement, Document 1221-14-06-2002, June 14:”

            On Legal Status of the Treaty Between Russia and the USA on Further Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms 1221-14-06-2002 In May 2000, the Russian Federation ratified the Treaty Between Russia and the USA on Further Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Offensive Arms (START-2 Treaty), and the ABM Treaty-related New York understandings of September 26, 1997. There was mutual understanding with the American Side that the USA would act similarly. This would have made it possible to realize the important agreements concerning the strategic offensive and defensive arms of the two countries.

            But the USA refused to ratify the START-2 Treaty and the New York understandings. Moreover, on June 13, 2002, the United States withdrew from the ABM Treaty, with the result that this international legal act, which served for three decades as the cornerstone of strategic stability, has ceased to be in force. Taking into account the aforesaid actions of the USA and proceeding from the provisions of the Federal Law on Ratification of the START-2 Treaty, the Russian Federation notes the absence of any prerequisites for the entry of the START-2 Treaty into force, and does not consider itself bound any longer by the obligation under international law to refrain from any actions which could deprive this Treaty of its object and goal. June 14, 2002

            Please accept my apologies for referencing events that happened more than forty years ago, I am constrained in providing more recent references, but history has consequences and information.

            Sorry about my views on Cuba and Turkey … were you there? I agree most are disinterested, but history can be interesting. Particularly, when the Soviets thought they were “surrounded” by US missiles … the Chinese think the same, today.

            I actually used pencil and protractor to draw “blast radii.” It is unfortunate that someone, somewhere, is (to this day) tasked with drawing consequences. Perhaps your NATO course became confused in your notes: There is a difference between mega- and kilo-tonne . It is only three orders of magnitude.

            I’m glad we can think for ourselves. I have no career interest in our political future: I retired years ago, so I’ve no “dog in the hunt.” Nonetheless, I’ve worked with civilian and military agencies. “Been there, done that.”

            On the other hand, Congress is isupposed to exercize judgement. Their careers depend on the outcome of their decisions, but they can’t be fired for another two years.

            I am sure that there are some “anti-war” organizations supporting this bill, but they have little money.

            I am sorry, but the “antiquated arms control bureaucracy” doesn’t much exist. Much as it was popular in the thirties (read No Arms no Armour).

            DEFEAT of this Treaty supports FAR more contractors than its ratification. Perhaps this is why my own Senators remain opposed, because Amarillo makes warheads.

            By all means, “follow the money.” The Left is always for “arms control” … the Right is always “against peace,” because new weapons make new money. Please check BOTH sides.

          • streiff

            does not have the best interests of the nation at heart.

            Having said that, if you had bothered to read the post you’d find I made the same policy criticisms of START I.

            This is a meaningless treaty with a failed state. All it does is make the Russians feel good about themselves while reducing the prestige of the United States.

            Now you may want to sit down before I tell you this secret, but this is a conservative web site. We are against Obama here. I only bring this up because you don’t seem to have picked up on our hidden purpose.

          • lyddea

            Its important to be conservative first, and anti-Obama second. If you’re anti-Obama first and conservative second, you won’t end up being a conservative at all.

          • aesthete

            The above statement had as much to do with streiff’s reply as yours did.

          • streiff

            that you could pick a conservative out of a two person line up. That aside it is important to be pro-America rather than fellating Obama and swooning over the same claque of nincompoops who told us ballistic missile defense would destabilize US/USSR relations.

          • lyddea

            You don’t like this treaty for two reasons: because Obama is involved in it, and because “it … makes the Russians feel good about themselves while reducing the prestige of the United States”.

            What you suggest is that we conduct the foreign policy of this country based on partisan point-scoring, and with a keen eye on how it will make other countries “feel”.

            Nuclear security is more important than high-school popularity. We should conduct ourselves accordingly.

          • streiff

            1. Read the essay. You’ll look less a clown if you do.

            2. To reiterate. I don’t like the treaty because it is unnecessary and flawed in all respects. I had the same opinion of START I. This is all in the essay.

            3. By your logic we should enter into disarmament talks with Iran and North Korea. The reason we won’t is the same reason why signing a treaty with Russia is ridiculous.

            4. It is you and the treaty supporters who are conducting our foreign policy like a vote for homecoming queen. The only conceivable reason to sign this treaty is to try to be popular.

          • streiff

            are germane to anything.

            We maintain a nuclear triad because it is in our strategic interests to do so, not because a third rate power says we can.

            The “verification regime” in Russia is meaningless because Russia is no longer a military adversary and hasn’t been for 20 years.

            START does not have an impact on nuclear terrorism one way or another.

            Russian cooperation is nice and all but to say that the Russians have been cooperative in either country under the original START is simply nonsense and to baldly state that START II will lead to their cooperation is an insult to the intelligence of anyone reading it.

            Nice invocation of Reagan but the presumption that Reagan would have negotiated a disarmament treaty with a nation that was not a threat and manifestly inferior to us is idiocy. Continuation of visions beyond their time is meaningless.

          • davesinsanantonio

            “we would have to pass it to find out what’s in it”. This administration has a history of putting things in bills that are damaging or destructive to the American people. It may well do the same with treaties. So, lets not pass it, and then there will be no surprises later. I do not trust this president to do anything that is truly for the benefit of America. And, it would be wise to not pass anything he proposes or supports that isn’t short, and clearly and simply worded so that nothing untowrd is hidden anywhere in it.
            And that is based on HIS record, not on some mindless prejudice, so don’t start in on me.

  • spock

    I realize that Obama is perhaps not a favorite son here, but, as the saying goes, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. Check out the bipartisan support for this treaty here:
    ht tp://www.armscontrol.org/issuebriefs/bipartisanNewSTARTSupport

    Supporting START II and restructuring CTR are the most important things we can do to keep loose nukes out of the hands of crazies. ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn?Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction

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    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      Moby.