A week ago the Senate Republican caucus sent a letter to Harry Reid telling him that they would not support acting on any legislation until the Congress vital business had been taken care of:
For that reason, we write to inform you that we will not agree to invoke cloture on the motion to proceed to any legislative item until the Senate has acted to fund the government and we have prevented the tax increase that is currently awaiting all American taxpayers. With little time left in this Congressional session, legislative scheduling should be focused on these critical priorities. While there are other items that might ultimately be worthy of the Senate’s attention, we cannot agree to prioritize any matters above the critical issues of funding the government and preventing a job-killing tax hike.
Well, that didn’t last long. Today Susan Collins continued her career long practice of duplicity by reneging on her agreement with her caucus and voting for cloture on the pressing subject of legalizing buggery in the Armed Forces. A vote that failed.
As DrewM notes over at Ace of Spades:
For some reason, Reid decided he’d cut off the negotiations and call up the bill. Collins showed up on the floor to ask Reid what was going on considering she seemed to think they were close to a deal. Reid basically told her to stuff it and moved to the vote.
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Wow, Collins votes Aye. Reid tells her to go to hell and she says, “Thank you for that informative suggestion, I will do just that!”
The problem with our moderates is not only that they don’t believe in anything not even in the sanctity of their own pledge to their caucus.
Erick Erickson
Jeff Emanuel
Steve Maley
Caleb Howe
Actually, streiff, the problem is with RedState,
notalibertarian Thursday, December 9th at 4:46PM EDT (link)which could have organized calls to potential “yes” votes’ offices reminding liberal Republicans that they are obligated to focus on the Bush tax cuts.
are you seriously stating
streiff (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 4:50PM EDT (link)that we could have changed her mind after she’d already given her word that she would not vote for cloture on any bill until the tax bill was passed and the government funded?
I find that notion simply blinding in its stupidity.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
I am saying that today and yesterday needed to be spent shoring up the other pro-repeal Repubs to stick to their guns.
notalibertarian Thursday, December 9th at 4:56PM EDT (link)Sen. Collins is not the only problem, here. Brown, Murk, and others are now going to go into tonight’s vote feeling like NO ONE really cares if they vote for repeal now.
Thankfully, it looks as though Reid
notalibertarian Thursday, December 9th at 5:00PM EDT (link)is willing to bring up Lieberman’s stand-alone “before the end of session”.
Maybe conservatives could try actually talking about this issue — instead of ignoring it — so we can scuttle this disaster.
again
streiff (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 5:01PM EDT (link)tell me you aren’t saying that the opinion of people she doesn’t know from states where she’s not running for office are going to dissuade her from doing this even though her signature pledging to not do it wasn’t sufficient.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
This isn't just about Collins. This is about Ben Nelson, Mark Kirk, Scott Brown, Manchin.
notalibertarian Thursday, December 9th at 5:05PM EDT (link)Why are you acting as though RedState has not tried to stop something like this in the past?
one final chance
streiff (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 5:08PM EDT (link)explain to me how RedState is to blame, or more importantly, why what RedState thinks would have an affect her promise to her colleagues did not?
I’m trying to be fair to you here but you’re making it real hard.
BTW Machin is a Dem.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
I know Manchin is a Dem. You seem to be dodging my point here.
notalibertarian Thursday, December 9th at 5:14PM EDT (link)Why are you focusing on Collins and ignoring everyone else?
When conservative sites post on issues and encourage people from swing-senators’ states to call those senators to inform them of their opposition, sometimes senators actually listen to the callers. Did you notice how hard it was to get Healthcare Reform through? That was because the public melted the phone lines.
RedState is one of a number of conservative sites that let this issue slip through the cracks.
I’m pretty sure I’m going to be called an “idiot” soon, so perhaps we should just end this exchange.
a few items
streiff (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 6:03PM EDT (link)1. We really haven’t taken a position on DADT so because we haven’t taken a position we probably wouldn’t organize calls.
2. This isn’t about DADT, it is about Collins. Of course the title and the story would have given that away had you bothered to read them.
Now obviously you don’t have any answers to any of this or you would have presented them by now. I’d suggest that in the future you know what you’re talking about before shooting your mouth off and failing that at least read the story before commenting.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
I've answered all of your questions.
notalibertarian Thursday, December 9th at 6:46PM EDT (link)Chiding me “this isn’t about DADT, it’s about Collins” as if I need to read your post against because I’m just soooo off-topic here is extremely weak.
The point is that conservatives could have mobilized BOTH social cons and fiscal cons to contact all of these moderate senators urging them to hold on to their pledge in that LETTER (Hey, that’s on-topic!) in repsonse to the clear signs that this DADT is the lowest-hanging fruit the Dems have right now.
The point is that you are, in essence, thread/postjacking
Bill S (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 6:50PM EDT (link)And if you don’t want your ID to become “notaredstatemember”, you should probably take your own advice and bow out now.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Look...she made the pledge...and she signed her name to it...
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 9:25PM EDT (link)as did the rest…Why would Red State or anyone else have to get on the phones and remind anyone that they signed a pledge and urge them to stick to it….
THAT IS THE ISSUE!
how you can conflate Collins making a contract if you will…with her caucus to not vote for cloture on anything till the tax increases and the budget are disposed of….with Red State not doing anything is beyond me….That’s what Streiff is trying to get through your thick skull…
Red State should not have to tell a sitting Senator that her word should mean something….the fact that Collins has so little regard for the value of her word is what’s at issue…..and that’s the ONLY issue
Well said, Ace.
itrytobenice (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 10:10PM EDT (link)Well said.
Honor should mean something, and your word is your bond. If it’s no good, you’re not either.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Exactly nt
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 10:36PM EDT (link)Are you really saying Manchin from WV is not reachable?
notalibertarian Thursday, December 9th at 5:17PM EDT (link)“On Manchin, aide says: ‘I would say that if he was somehow the 60th vote, I do not think he would have voted the way he did’”
Are you saying WV wants DADT to be repealed?
NOTALIBERTARIAN
joayn (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 6:15PM EDT (link)streiff’s point: THIS IS ABOUT COLLINS BREAKING HER PLEDGE. And in a most stupid, stupid, foolish and idiotic way.
All other Republicans held the line except Collins. Reread the article and the article at Ace.
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
great report streiff (There was also a vote on DREAM too?) and I was against allowing ANY votes even after
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 7:36PM EDT (link)votes on budget and taxes given that this is a Lame Dick Congress after a game-changing wave election that changes the majority in the House. The GOP 42 in the Senate should have honored the tea partier electorate and only agreed to allow votes on vital matters. They should not have agreed to votes on anything else even if allowed tax vote.
And didn’t the vote on the DREAM act violate that letter too? Obviously so, since the tax bill hasn’t been voted on yet!
Nor has the continuing res on govt operations, right?
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
I thought the vote on the Dream act was on Cloture...did I miss something? nt
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 9:28PM EDT (link)Turns out it was on a motion to table and so did not violate the McConnell 42 letter - and we won - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 11:20PM EDT (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com and Charlotte Observer columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
I was thinking it was something proceedural...but wasn't sure...nt
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 11:35PM EDT (link)Streiff, I am NOT saying that the opinion of people she doesn't know
notalibertarian Thursday, December 9th at 6:56PM EDT (link)from states where she’s not running for office are going to dissuade her from doing this.
Happy?
What I am saying is that the anti-repeal movement is in a much weaker position going into Lieberman’s stand-alone attempt because conservative sites like RedState couldn’t be bothered.
And, now that most of the day is gone, Lieberman & Collins have announced that they will bring a stand-alone bill to the floor.
notalibertarian Thursday, December 9th at 4:48PM EDT (link)Not a lot of time left before tonight to get people to call their senators’ offices to tell them to stand firm, though.
About that ...
joayn (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 6:26PM EDT (link)A new bill will require another cloture motion filing, after which the Senate has to wait two days before invoking cloture. If passed, then it would have to go to the House. Because the house holds the purse, they’d probably have to make adjustments to it and send it back to the Senate, so who knows what it’ll get turned into. The Dems in the house will feel compelled to put their stinky mark on it and screw the whole deal. Hope so.
Collins, Brown and Murkowski were in talks with Reid when he said screw it, and Brown and Murk voted no. Hopefully, they’ll hold that stance tonight.
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
Collins gave away a bargaining chip that suited both social and fiscal cons.
notalibertarian Thursday, December 9th at 6:53PM EDT (link)I thought it made sense that a conservative website would do what it can to optimize our chances of scuttling this repeal. Streiff has made it clear that the management RedState doesn’t really have a problem with repeal. Fabulous.
Now I know.
Wrong.
Bill S (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 7:03PM EDT (link)You can appeal to the Contact link if you would like to get your membership reactivated.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
So if Collins asks Reid what is going on....
izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 4:50PM EDT (link)Why did she vote yes???
And did Reid tell her to go to hell before or after she voted Yes????
Reid can show Collins the way to hell, he exists there.
Those who had once simpered: “I don’t want to destroy the rich, I only want to seize a little of their surplus to help the poor, just a little, they’ll never miss it!” – then, later, had snapped: “The tycoons can stand being squeezed; they’ve amassed enough to last them for three generations” – then, later, had yelled: “Why should the people suffer while businessmen have reserves to last a year?” – now were screaming: “Why should we starve while some people have reserves to last a week?” – Atlas Shrugged
Legalizing Buggery?!
hardwired Thursday, December 9th at 4:51PM EDT (link)See here is a great example of how some people who call themselves conservatives do not understand our Constitution. The text of the Tenth Amendment is “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” Bugger away!
More specifically,
hardwired Thursday, December 9th at 4:54PM EDT (link)the Constitution limits the state’s behavior. We are endowed by our Creator with inalienable rights, and our freedom does not come from Washington, it comes from God.
just an observation
streiff (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 4:57PM EDT (link)before I punt you for being an idiot.
It is surreal to find you quoting God as a reason why His law cannot be enforced.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
just one point
streiff (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 4:55PM EDT (link)the Armed Forces are governed by the federal government. Check out Article 1 of the Constitution you goofuses are so fond of quoting but have never read.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
..and welcome the Chicoms to march on in
Twang Thursday, December 9th at 5:08PM EDT (link)Just as an individual gives up certain rights such as to live where he choses, say whatever he chooses, or wear the clothing he chooses, when he joins the military, he also gives up the right to buggery. Why? Because HOMOMSEXUALITY IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH MILITARY LIFE. Get it through your head. Gays in the military just wont work.
I want to stop this before it starts
streiff (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 5:11PM EDT (link)we’re not arguing the merits of the current law or DADT in this thread. If you want to do that start your own diary. The issue here is very simple: the failure of a senator to keep her word to her colleagues.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
I agree with you
rdelbov Thursday, December 9th at 5:37PM EDT (link)on the policy and I agree with you that Collins action is bewildering.
Reid slapped all the republicans down forcing these votes
Heck Pelosi slapped the President down having the vote last week while he was talking to the GOP.
rudeness is a DC thing?
Agree, so let's focus on the tactical and strategic
PaladinLostHour (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 5:55PM EDT (link)Tactical: Redstate *should* be leading a campaign to flood the wobblies lines with calls = and, more to the point, McConnell and Kyl, letting them know exactly how much cr*p is going to fall on their heads if they can’t maintain party discipline
Strategic: Collins needs to be primaried, and pressure needs to be put on the Republican Senatorial Committee to stay *OUT* of the contest. Not cause she’s a moderate – but because she’s egregiously breaking party discipline and undermining a coherent Republican message.
(I’d suggest the same for Scott Brown, but what’s the point – he’s gone in 2012 anyhow)
Um,
froster (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 7:56PM EDT (link)It’s working right now, under the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy. That’s the way policy should be.
Republican from California.
Collins - a poster child for pitiful
fpete13527 (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 5:06PM EDT (link)maybe Collins doesn't just talk like she's drunk. nt
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 6:38PM EDT (link)“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
I thought I was the only one who noticed that!
jeffreywturner (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 7:27PM EDT (link)She talks like she has just knocked back about a half-dozen shots of Bacardi 151.
I keep waiting for her to say “I can drive, really, I’m fine. Where are my keys?”
Does she actually have a medical condition that causes her to have a speech impediment or does she just suck at speaking?
“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”
I'm almost embarrassed to admit this but Collins
throwback59 Thursday, December 9th at 8:39PM EDT (link)looks and sounds exactly like Charlotte Rae’s Mrs. Garrett from the 80′s sitcom “Facts of Life.”
How can you take someone seriously who is a dead-ringer for a sitcom charactor?
yeah, what if collins and tom brokaw had kids?
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 11:23PM EDT (link)They’d probably talk like Dudley Moore in Arthur!
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government
that requires every citizen to prove
they are insured…. but not everyone
must prove they are a citizen.” -Ben Stein
“In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”[especially in DC] – Friedrich Nietzsche
How can you expect rational thought.....
Twang Thursday, December 9th at 5:11PM EDT (link)…from anyone who would willingly choose to live in Maine.
Whoa there, Twang
america1st (Diary) Friday, December 10th at 9:55AM EDT (link)Many good – and conservative – folks in Maine.
Unfortunately, upper New England has been inundated by critters slithering north from the concrete warrens of the East Coast, bringing their statist views with them. The two RINO queens are simply symptomatic of a larger, most unfortunate, demographic trend wherein the clueless are befouling larger tracts of America.
Logic in the mind of a liberal is like a snowflake in the desert: lost, alone and soon destroyed by a hostile environment.
I gotta say this shocked me, even for Collins
Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 5:14PM EDT (link)Perhaps she should get an MRI?
So much for the cohesiveness of a Republican “Moderate” caucus. Even the Ice Princess from Alaska skipped this one.
In other news, I am waiting for the next Congress so we can watch Ron Paul take over The Financial Services Committee from Barney Frank. That ought to be good for a few laughs.
“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson
Marcus, don't wait on the next congress
tngal (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 5:40PM EDT (link)The dems (and some mod repububs) can still do damage with their final days this year. The “Dream Act” cloture vote got a reprieve for a few days and all hands are needed on deck for it to get to get knocked down. While many “sites” are claiming its dead in the senate I would not put a lot of money on it. Then again I didn’t put money on Susan Collins with her DADT vote either. Every call counts, every email,. I don’t mean to sound conspiratorial, but I think they’ve been trying to focus all media attention on the tax issue and hoping noone notices the passages of dadt and the amnesty act.
Gutless wonder.
itrytobenice (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 5:33PM EDT (link)Collins gives new meaning to the words.
She was in a perfect position to have her cake and eat it too. She could have told her liberal Yankee sycophants that she supported DADT except she believed that they had to have a cohesive and stable tax and budget process as their first order of business, and then she could have voted against DADT to pacify the remaining Rs in Maine who think she is a conservative.
But she removes her mask, shows herself to be a lying coward, sticks her soft underbelly in the air and lets Harry Reid take a big bite out of it. (Yes, yuck.)
Remember when our founding fathers pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor for the country? Are voters just so stupid that we can’t find anyone like that anymore or is there no honor left?
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
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joayn (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 5:57PM EDT (link)Collin’s number.
I’d say a few calls are in order.
America is an idea; a noble idea that essentially boils down to the shocking belief that the masses are in fact not asses. John Nolte
Susan Collins (Idiot, ME)
BigGator5 (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 6:22PM EDT (link)I don’t think we can call her a Republican anymore. I’m with DrewM on this one, she’s an Idiot. I also don’t object to DADT per say (because honestly, if gays and lesbians want to die on the battlefield, who am I to say no?), but her breaking ranks like this when she signed a pledge is unforgivable.
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The Army has a useful description of a Leader's Responsibilities...
nessa (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 6:28PM EDT (link)…”You are responsible for everything your Soldiers do or fail to do.” How ’bout it Mitch? How about the GOP electing a Minority Leader with a testicle and/or a spine? Both is apparently asking too much.
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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teh twitter
Harking back to Carvill...maybe we could get Hillary to give Mitch one of hers....
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 9:56PM EDT (link)heh
5 Ace!! nt
nessa (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 10:19PM EDT (link)“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Contributor to Unified Patriots
teh twitter
heh
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 10:33PM EDT (link)Anyone remember the Delaware Senate race....?
NeoKong (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 6:45PM EDT (link)Do you remember all the whining about how we could have taken the seat with Mike Castle…?
I do.
Susan Collins is the perfect example of why it is better to let a Democrat control the seat than a squish like Collins.
She will betray the party again and again.
That is what she is famous for.
If we cannot rely on her when an important vote comes along then what good is she to the party ? She cannot be trusted.
Follow me on Twitter.
Collins did
rdelbov Thursday, December 9th at 7:11PM EDT (link)go back on her word but Dame Pelosi did the big back stabbing today.
She is delaying the votes on the “Deal” until changes are made. I believe that too would give the GOP senators enough of an excuse to delay other actions until an agreeded upon “Deal” is struck. I Don’t believe the GOP will okay the “Deal” in the senate then let the house not vote. That’s no “deal” at all. That’s a sham deal.
There’s a chance that Pelosi has killed the Dream act-DADT and Start in one swoop.
I don't want to get into the particulars of the Delaware Senate race...
froster (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 8:00PM EDT (link)as that should be a long retired topic…
but just imagine if the Democrats had had 67 votes during this session. (one for Snowe & Collins & Gregg & Brown & Lugar & Voinovich & Murkowski) Am I missing anyone? We’d be on our way to single payer and other socialist legislation (x4) if that was the case. Don’t forget that besides from Lugar, all the Democrats would be VERY liberal.
Ultimately, Susan Collins is better than Mike Michaud and Chellie Pingree. It’s just that simple.
Republican from California.
She has a got a lot to learn from Mary Landrieu. Nt.
earlgrey (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 7:31PM EDT (link)Can we please stop referring to Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe and a few others as moderates already?
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 8:43PM EDT (link)She’s a liberal and should be referred to as such.
And why is anyone surprised she would fold…the idea that she would say she was going to do ANYTHING and stick to it is a sick joke!
Not all liberals created equal
lexington_concord (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 8:50PM EDT (link)You’ll note that Snowe held the line today.
In relative terms, almost everyone is a liberal in comparison to someone. In comparison to Bernie Sanders, Snowe is pretty darn conservative. In comparison to Jim Demint, she’s pretty darn liberal.
That is why, more often than not, it is appropriate to call her “moderate.”
Collins is also a moderate, just (apparently) a less honest one.
If you have to shoot, shoot. Don’t talk.
-Tuco
You have a point on Snowe....but Collins has b een in negotiation with Dems on every bad idea that's come down the pike
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 9:06PM EDT (link)The are liberal on most issues and conservative on the rest. but by and large Collins and Snowe are liberals on more issues than they are conservative therefore I say they are liberals…as was Specter and Chafee
Liberal
zornorph Thursday, December 9th at 9:38PM EDT (link)She’s not liberal. If she is, then who the hell would you think is a moderate? Compare her voting record to Brown of Ohio and tell me you still think she’s liberal.
She has an ACU rating in the 20s....if she's a moderate...I'm a hot playboy centerfold...nt
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 10:00PM EDT (link)Does Collins vote for every socialist legislation that come up?
froster (Diary) Friday, December 10th at 12:51AM EDT (link)No. But she doesn’t vote against every one of them. Thus, the definition, moderate.
There is a difference between a moderate and a liberal.
Republican from California.
Independent versus "moderate"
Menlo (Diary) Friday, December 10th at 1:30AM EDT (link)To me, a “moderate” is someone who takes a middle ground across the board.
I would say someone who takes a combination of liberal and conservative positions is better described as simply an independent.
The “absent-minded” category is one all to itself, and I think that may be the best fit here.
I guess we’ve all got different labels.
“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter
Again....she has an ACU rating in the 20s....there are Dems that score higher than she does....
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, December 10th at 7:07AM EDT (link)she votes liberal 80% of the time…Conservative 20
SHE’S A LIBERAL
AceInTx, your data is off- actual lifetime ACU ratings provided below
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, December 10th at 8:23AM EDT (link)http://www.votesmart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?r_id=4785&rtype=
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
No Dem Senator has an ACU rating higher than Collins
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, December 10th at 8:27AM EDT (link)Just a handful of house members do (by a point or two), and Taylor is the only Dem elected official with a lifetime ACU rating significantly higher than Collins.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
2008 she scored a Twenty. 2009 her scores go up
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, December 10th at 5:32PM EDT (link)you are correct….her lifetime score is 49 which would make her what I would call a true moderate if her lifetime score is considered.
If 2008 and other non election years has her in the 20s….that would make her a liber playing at being a moderate in election years.
I guess it can be argued both ways…I will admit I was thinking her 2008 rating was her lifetime rating off the top of my head because that’s the way I remembered it…My bad
Thanks for correcting me and allowing me an oportunity to clarify my argument and correct the error.
BTW...Snowe's ACU Rating in 2008 was 12 nt
AceInTX (Diary) Friday, December 10th at 5:37PM EDT (link)Yikes----12 is pretty gosh darn low
JSobieski (Diary) Friday, December 10th at 11:59PM EDT (link)I wish the ACU would publish stats on average R rating, average R Senator rating, etc.
However, no matter how you slice it . .. .12 is abysmal.
Did you know that China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995? For the specific data, see Table 1 in the following link: http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf
Is she that thick?
Menlo (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 9:04PM EDT (link)That sounds more like stupidity than anything else. Did she have a clue what she was doing?
I’ve not read a whole lot about her history, but I’ve seen enough to know this is not the first time I’ve questioned her intelligence.
“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter
Maybe in 2014 LePage will run for Senate. nt
pilgrim (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 9:09PM EDT (link)pilgrim- How about he run for Senate againt Snowe in 2012?
Scope (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 9:17PM EDT (link)Would it matter which one of the renagade R Senators he take out? It seems that they take turns on who is going to fall on the sword against the Republicans, except those times when they both try to share that space.
LePage has publically supported Snowe for 2012
captkirc Thursday, December 9th at 9:31PM EDT (link)Via Politico two days ago:
“My relationship with Olympia Snowe transcends politics. I would always support Olympia Snowe. It has nothing to do with politics, it’s all about a personal relationship,” says LePage. “I wouldn’t be standing here if it wasn’t for Peter Snowe to a great extent.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/davidcatanese/1210/Why_LePage_will_stick_with_Snowe.html
Let him serve a full term as Gov. of Maine. nt
pilgrim (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 10:19PM EDT (link)ummm....yup!!!
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 9:10PM EDT (link)5 (nt)
Mike Ferguson (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 10:05PM EDT (link)Let us be sure that those who come after will say of us in our time, that in our time we did everything that could be done. We finished the race; we kept them free; we kept the faith.
Ronald Reagan
Wow
smitch61 Thursday, December 9th at 9:19PM EDT (link)http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703766704576009322838245628.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
Buggery
zornorph Thursday, December 9th at 9:40PM EDT (link)You know, when you reduce DADT to ‘legalizing buggery’, you sound ignorant. Like you are trying to invoke the ‘yuck’ factor for something you don’t like.
The 'yuck' factor is not incidental to many of us
avgjo (Diary) Friday, December 10th at 12:00AM EDT (link)(myself included) not liking this, it is essential. The fact that they engage in this behavior AND THEN want public affirmation for it exacerbates the problem and makes legislation necessary.
In recent days, American Spectator reviewed a book by a woman who says that many oppose ‘gay rights’ and use graphic descriptions of what homosexuals do to turn opinion against them. Did you read that book?
What really gets me about ‘gay’ activists is that their entire life centers around a certain behavior, and they cannot keep that behavior to themselves. The whole DADT issue is ridiculous. Everyone keeps saying that homosexuality has no bearing how they can serve. If that’s true, why is it even necessary to bring up their sexuality, if it has no function on how they serve? I do know that many guys here who have served have talked about how this can affect living conditions for straight soldiers. Their word is good enough for me.
Ceterum autem censeo, Obamaecuram esse delendam.
It’s the morality, stupid.
And should we
lyddea Friday, December 10th at 12:19AM EDT (link)discharge people out of the military if they mention that they…
visited a prostitute?
engaged in “non-standard” sexual relations with a member of the opposite sex?
had an abortion?
are an atheist?
are primarily attracted to members of a different ethnic group?
Because all of those things will “gross” a lot of people out (ewwww). Like homosexuality none of those things are illegal, but unlike homosexuality we don’t kick people out of the military if one of those things is found out about someone.
You don’t have the right to not be offended. Not in America, and not even in the military. And DADT is nothing more than an enshrinement of the false right to not be offended.
When we integrated the armed forces, believe you me there were even more people who were uncomfortable. But the people who mattered were more than that, they were Americans, soldiers and professionals. And that’s why integration worked, and made our country and her military stronger. As it will do so, again.
No one said we had such a right.
avgjo (Diary) Friday, December 10th at 1:26AM EDT (link)BTW, that extends to homosexuals. They don’t have a right not to be offended. They want DADT repealed because it offends their sensibilities regarding their ‘right’ to openly proclaim that they are homosexuals. The difference between integration of color and integration of sexual preference is that one is a characteristic one is born with and one is a lifestyle/personality disorder/choice whatever you wanna call it. It is insulting to people of color to make such comparisons.
Also, visting a prostitute IS illegal most places. Abortion once was illegal and now is not, just as homosexuality once was considered a personality disorder and now is not; in both cases, ‘legitimized’ by a small group of people, self-styled elites. Is our society any better since these happened? An argument can certainly be made that it is not.
As for your assertion that ‘integration’ will ‘do so again’, have you asked the soldiers/veterans here what they think? I myself am getting ready to do ROTC; I’ll serve my country (Lord willing) whether or not the homosexual activists get the affirmation they want, but i can tell you, it won’t be comfortable for me. Of course, all this talk about ‘rights not to be offended’ and who is uncomfortable with what is all a one-way street with the militant homosexual activists and their supporters.
Ceterum autem censeo, Obamaecuram esse delendam.
It’s the morality, stupid.
What other federal organization could be used
trutexan Friday, December 10th at 6:42AM EDT (link)to pimp out the will of a minority over an entire country?
I know this string is about Collins but these bottom posts took up the DADT issue. Collins didn’t do anything that surprised me and her voters don’t seem to care about her behavior anyway. Like the sub-line said, water is wet and fire is hot. Nothing to see here…move along.
If DADT is repealed, the next step is for the US military to recognize gay marriage. How on earth is a gay couple supposed to be married in Mass. and not married in Montana once stationed there? As military members PCS (permanent change of station) around the globe every 2-4 years, most take their families with them. They are a close knit bunch and live almost a completely different lifestyle than their civilian counter parts. Before retiring, military members are told to “civilianize” their resumes because the duty title of First Sergeant doesn’t mean diddly to a company like Walgreens. I simply don’t understand how civilians have so much to say about anything that goes on behind the gates of the military unless they have served.
So IF DADT is repealed and subsequently gay marriage is then recognized, the will of a few minority gay activists will be using the US military to pimp out their will on the American people. There is no other federal organization that has this issue and it’s resentful for the gay community to use the US military in this fashion. Why don’t fat people take up the issue that the military doesn’t allow fat people? Why don’t the long hairs take up the fact that the military makes you cut your hair? Why don’t the staff of What Not To Wear take up a position against cammo? The States don’t want gay marriage and until they do, gays and their supporters will have to get over it.
Ted Cruz (R) for Texas Senate.
Obama – Forward!
Proverbs 4:12-15
A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a forward mouth. He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers; Forwardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord. Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy.