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Ron Paul Supporters Boo, Heckle Rumsfeld and Cheney

Words to remember: "Show us the shekels, Dick, show us the shekels."

By: streiff (Diary)  |  February 13th, 2011 at 07:53 PM  | 

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Below I have a story applauding the decision by Young Americans for Freedom to expel Ron Paul thereby taking a small step at excising this particular tapeworm from the conservative body and foreshadowing an action that all responsible conservatives and Republicans should consider.

Paul promotes a fiscal and security policy that would be disastrous to the nation for reasons no more substantial than self aggrandizement. Were that the limit of his damage he would be easy to ignore. It isn’t like he’s the first crank or nutjob we’ve had in the movement and the GOP. Far from it. What makes Paul so distasteful is not so much his policies but the classless twits who follow him like rats leaving Hameln.

If you think I’m being less than charitable to otherwise unoffending Ron Paul supporters, think again.

Here at RedState we have experienced several influxes of Ronbots but our first real introduction to the type of person we were dealing with occurred as the 2008 primaries were heating up. Their monomania — along with mouthbreathing and poor personal hygiene — forced us to take the unprecedented step of banning them on sight.

Any doubt that we have unfairly maligned them disappeared this past week at CPAC where they booed and shouted anti-Semitic slogans at two of the pre-eminent public servants our side has produced in the past couple of decades.

It started with former Secretary of Defense being invited to receive an award by CPAC and to speak. In response, Ron Paul’s supporters, many of them paid to attend, booed him and staged a walkout.

A steady stream of Texas Rep. Ron Paul’s supporters walked out of a planned tribute for Donald Rumsfeld at CPAC Thursday afternoon. The walk-out had been planned ahead of time in part by Campaign for Liberty organizers and it seemed to be supported by more than 100 CPAC attendees.

The former defense secretary was also booed when took to the stage.

While one is free to believe what they will about Rumsfeld’s second tour as Secretary of Defense, I happen to believe that history will judge him to be one of the most able and productive men to have ever held the job, there is no excuse for adults walking out. If you ever needed proof that class and breeding aren’t something that you can teach you need look no further.

The real fun started when Dick Cheney showed up to pay tribute to Rumsfeld. Dave Weigel was apparently at CPAC doing his Conservatives in the Mist schtick and reports in Slate:

When Rumsfeld takes the stage, the boos keep going, because some anti-war conservatives have stuck around to heckle. When it sees Dick Cheney, the crowd’s din drowns out the boos… for a while. I find a place on the floor next to several activists wearing Ron Paul gear.

“Bringing in Cheney made it worse,” says Nathan Cox, a Richmond, Va. activist and member of Iraq Veterans Against the War. “I kinda feel like yelling something.”

He doesn’t yell, but another activist yells “Show us the shekels, Dick! Show us the shekels!” It’s a not-so-veiled critique of Israel that gets him immediately kicked out. Another anti-war conservative yells “Draft dodger!” and he’s kicked out.

By this point, enough supporters of the last Republican administration are in the room to fill it with cheers of “Cheney 2012!” and to drown out a heckler who yells “Where’s bin Laden?”

Vanity Fair also reports on the incident.

On hand to share in Rumsfeld’s happiness was former vice president Dick Cheney. If your initial reaction to this news is, say, an urge to boo, you are not alone. Cheney, too, engendered spirited jeering. Anti-war hecklers yelled the following insults: “Show us the shekels, Dick! Show us the shekels”, “Draft dodger!”, “Murderous scum,” “Where’s bin Laden?” and “Liberator,” which was possibly meant ironically.

Show us the shekels. Draft dodger. Murderous scum.

Foul epithets directed at men who accomplish more in any given day than the combined mass of Ron Paul supporters will accomplish in the totality of their miserable pissant lives.

These are people who fancy themselves conservatives and believe they have some place honor within the conservative movement. They are wrong. This odious behavior will be neither forgiven nor forgotten.

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  • thibodaux

    He is just plain unelectable. When you watch Paul it is like a little whiny man. Can’t stand him. His son I can listen to but him, no way! He grates on me.

    • Read Chesterton

      Ron Paul is certifiable.

      To be perfectly honest, this is getting old. Paul has been pulling these pre-election year shenanigans for over 20 years… it’s always the same. Convince a bunch of dupes that isolationism and going back to the Gold Standard are good ideas… collect a fat government check from the Presidential Election Fund, act like a democrat locally, a libertarian nationally, and a despicable demagogue intellectually.

  • Tbone

    for even acknowledging Ron Paul is alive. Turds draw flies. If you don’t want the flies, don’t invite the turds.

    • andysmith

      I don’t want to resort to thug tactics like the other side does, but this man has to be legitimately shut down (from a political standpoint) before he can do any damage to the legitimate, electable conservatives.

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
      • acat

        Finding and backing a solid, stand-up, conservative challenger to Ron Paul in 2012 sounds like a good project for Red State…

        Mew

        • jwebb

          And when the time comes, I will gladly solicit RedState help to counter the Ronulan Hordes.

          • acat

            Red State is not “the media”, we’re the activists who can help a given candidate in the primary as well as the general. Don’t wait until the start of the primary season to solicit – start conversing now. Dr. Benishek, to his credit, reached out very early and now also has the title of Representative Benishek.

            Just sayin’

            Mew

        • Pizza_God

          Ron Paul wins his primary with 70+% of the vote every time. Good luck with that. He will win re-election until he retires. (I think he may retire this next election)

          • acat
  • http://www.flaliberty.org scorpio0679

    I know a couple of Ron Paul supporters and they are definitely a different breed. Acting like this is inexcusable. I hope they are forced out of the GOP for good.

    • bs61

      Plus, when ever I see them on any message boards they are Anti-Jew!

      • Pizza_God

        I have been a 20+ year supporter of Ron Paul, I am not Anti-Semitic,

        However I will admit that I have run across a few. But it is like saying all Muslims are Terrorists. Not all Ron Paul supporters are Anti-Semitic, just a small very vocal percentage. I have distanced myself from those and will not deal with them anymore.

  • andysmith

    In other words, since Obama is running unopposed in 2012 (most likely), I’m pretty sure the same type of left wingers that donated to Murkowski will do the same for Paul. Keeping him in the race long enough to do damage to the legit electable candidates during the primaries would be to their advantage. He never even really dropped out of the race officially in 2008 (that I remember), never endoresed McCain, and is an absolute crackpot when it comes to national security/foreign policy.
    What a shame, too; I really like Rand a lot. I just hope Rand is quite a bit smarter than his daddy on the world outside of the United States.

    • dkm466

      Ronald Reagan thought a lot of Ron Paul. Reagan would not have disagreed to much with Paul with goverment intrusion but they were worlds apart on international policy. Ron Reagan and Paul were honest and we forget how much that matters in this world. Honesty, integritiy, morals and values is the measure of any man. I support Ron Paul for his principles.

      • http://www.gmsplace.com/ civil_truth

        …especially when they invite them under their roof.

        Or was this snark? (I hope)

  • hungarianfalcon

    Is that I think a good conservative Republican could beat him in his own district. I live 1.5 miles away from him (he lives 2 or 3 houses from my boss) and while his district is certainly conservative, we’re not nuts like his national followers. Someone with the money to throw his BS policies back in his face could take him down.

    HF

    • mikebergsma

      In 2008, there was a good conservative running against Ron Paul. He received death threats and ended up sending his family to stay with relatives. The guy raised about $400,000 but he faced the huge amount of money that Ron Paul could spend.

    • jwebb

      You’re in my neck of the woods. When we find our candidate to run against the Ronulan Overlord, are you able to help out?

  • sailingaway

    Although the walking out politely should have been predicted since Rand Paul’s speech was curiously scheduled immediately before the award to Rumsfield. I doubt the organizers would have expected that particular crowd to plan to stay for the next event. As you know, there is a period after each speaker when people come and go, and I do think it was just the number of people not interested in staying, that made the difference there. I can’t imagine why they scheduled it that way, would you have done?

    I didn’t come on redstate in the last presidential election. I didn’t know who Ron Paul was until it was nearly time to vote in the primary in my state. I agree some of the people who support him are rude, but I also think just about any popular figure has SOME rude people supporting them.. I don’t agree with calling out against speakers, and I know Ron Paul doesn’t, and specifically asked his supporters to be respectful of other speakers. Which is why I wonder if it was really his supporters who shouted out.

    As an aside though, the YAF thing has nothing to do with foreign policy. Their president was the one in the last CPAC who condemned CPAC for allowing GOProud there, booed another speaker who congratulated CPAC for allowing GOProud there, and was, himself, booed off stage. If you look at the youtube, he vowes enmity to Ron Paul’s supporters (the student group) at the end before stalking off stage. Ron Paul’s foreign policy views haven’t changed in 30 years, and YAF gave them their highest award while he held those views.

    • belcatar

      The ones I’ve known talk freely about:

      FEMA camps
      The Bilderburgers
      The Super Fortune of the Rockefellers
      The CFR
      The Illuminati
      9/11 as an inside job
      The coming World Government
      Shadow Bankers

      And they talk about this stuff like it’s real, and the only reason no one does anything about it is because they just haven’t learned about it yet. To them, there aren’t a series of conspiracies, there’s one gigantic conspiracy that incorporates all the other conspiracies, involving hundreds of thousands of people who somehow manage to keep this vast plan secret. Anything and everything can be lumped into the Plan. I still get emails forwarded to me from some of these guys, and one of them talked about how the Arizona shooting was really a hit on the judge, carried out by some kind of super-secret international hitman group whose name escapes me. This kind of utter lunacy is perfectly acceptable to these people.

      I don’t know if all of Ron Paul’s followers are like that, because I haven’t met them all. I can only tell you about my personal interaction with a small group of them, and it was more than enough to convince me that they don’t experience reality like normal people.

      • bs61

        He would quit appearing on Alex Jones show – that’s where all of this comes from!

        • Pizza_God

          I agree, it frustrates the heck out of me when he is on that show. I can’t stand Alex Jones and his followers. They are the ones that give the rest of us Ron Paul supporters a bad name.

          I have debunked the FEMA Camps
          I do have questions about the Bilderburgers meetings
          Don’t give a darn about the Rockefellers
          don’t agree with the CFR
          Don’t believe in the Illuminati
          Do not think 9/11 was an inside job, however I do recognize that 9/11 was a failure of our intelligence to act knowing it may happen.
          The coming World Government is happening, Obama is a supporter of it.
          Don’t like the FED, but don’t think it is a conspiracy.

    • rcastonjr

      would be anti-war in the sense that our founding fathers were anti-war. Those of you who would equate anti-war with isolationism would be wrong. Our founders wanted us to be stronger than any other nation on earth yet they had absolutely no worldly ambitions other than trade. The idea was to be so strong as to give other nations pause before launching an attack on America. However, many of you here throw out the word isolationism as a position of Paul and conservatives alike. You would be wrong. Our founders and Paul have much in common on this issue. They promote being a NON-INTERVENTIONIST. Far different from the world view of the neo-conservatives. Our founders wanted the same as Reagan, “peace through strength.” They had no designs on world dominion. Live and let live but trade with everyone willing to do so. Remember “no entangling alliances?” This was the vision of our founders yet today we have over 300 bases in 130 countries worldwide. Anybody but me think this is a problem? What would our founders think about this? Or does than matter anymore? Can’t have it both ways folks. You either believe in our founders or you don’t. As a conservative I agree with Paul and our founders. We should get the heck out of everyone’s business and bring the troops home. Build the strongest defense force on earth to protect America from attack and stay out of everyone else’s business. There certainly is some truth to “they come here because we are there”. How would WE feel? So stop with the isolationist lie. Neither Reagan nor Paul believes such nonsense. Non-interventionism, yes. Isolationist, no. To say so is a lie for anyone who actually knows a little about history. And finally, I am sick of seeing our troops dying for somebody else’s country. Oh, and just where is “nation building” found in any of our founding documents? Just asking.

      • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

        I don’t think we can put the genie back in the bottle and become neo-isolationist, or even uninvolved in the world. However, we can be more judicious in choosing our battles and in choosing our involvements.

        We can still talk about freedom and democracy as when Obama finally, belatedly came out in support of the demonstrators in Iran and later in Egypt.

        But I would not try to involve ourselves in any way materially in those situations.

        Whenever we have in the past it has backfired more times than not. Not to mention that we just don’t have the money anymore to spend like we did during the cold war.

        Another area where we involve ourselves to our own detriment is when we meddle in other nations by eradicating coca and poppy crops. This does nothing to help the drug situation in America, it only drives up costs and puts more money into the hands of organized crime. And it causes anger among people who we are trying to cultivate as friends.

      • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

        “Our founders wanted us to be stronger than any other nation on earth yet they had absolutely no worldly ambitions other than trade.”

        (pause)

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!

        Trade? Is that code for Canada, the Creek Indians, and Florida? And that’s just the first fifty years of the USA, when the country was being run by people who fought in the Revolutionary War. Unless we want to rewrite history so that Madison and Monroe are apparently not Founding Fathers, after all.

        OK, let me dumb this down for you some more: if you truly “believe in our founders” you should be advocating the annexation of Mexico right now: it’d be their favored method for removing a potentially problematic nation on a critical border.

        • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

          unless we went back to the policies of the 1840′s. All we would get is about seventy million new welfare cases.

          • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

            Just that it was a consistent one with the way that the Founders rolled.

          • acat

            Maybe with one more wrinkle. We buy ‘em. Bring each of the Mexican states in as new Union states, but they each get Federally appointed Governors-general until 2031. That ought to be long enough for the FBI to have done some of the grunt work…

            As for the seventy million new welfare cases – I don’t think so… most of the Mexicans I’ve worked with have an incredible work ethic. We would get a bunch of new superfund sites, though…. and a drug war unlike anything we’ve seen since the 1970s.

            Mew

          • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

            the good ones are already in Texas, Grin

          • rcastonjr

            would advocate just ignoring the vision of the founders of our Constitution and the words they themselves wrote concerning the issue of meddling in other nation’s affairs. So what other parts would you ignore. The Constitution? Bill of Rights? Declaration of Independence? Where can you find anything that proves to you, and us, that the founders of our country advocated that America do anything other than build a strong national defense to protect her homeland and trade with as many foreign nations as were willing no matter if we liked each other or not. So much for not entering into any entangling alliances. Moe you are just flat out wrong. Our founders had no designs on any other country once America was born. They would defend itself from attack by building a strong and vigorous defense but leave others alone. Preferring to spread democracy by example, not conquest. Quite unlike the neocons of today. No true conservative should stand for the empire building this country has embarked on. We are everywhere! And we are going broke doing it. There is hardly a country left where America does not have her footprint. And you think this is good?

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister
  • EagleWatcher

    The guys at Powerline talked about how Ron Paul used to produce a news letter viscously attacking Martin Luther King as well as gay people. Conservatives need to distance themselves from him before he causes real damage.

    • sailingaway

      And it is well known he never wrote those newsletters. A casual read, then looking at anything he has writtend (and there is 30 years worth on line) makes that obvious.

      • EagleWatcher

        The Powerline guys have an excellent reputation for accuracy. Ron Paul is a disaster.

        He will be POTUS the day O. J. Simpson find the real murderer of his wife.

        • rcastonjr

          has everyone here got their feathers in such a ruffle over this guy if he has no chance? Just asking.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            and peeing on our lawn. At first you just point and laugh, but it gets old after a while and you just want them to go away and stay away.

      • Adjoran

        With his name all over them and his return address – including to be used for subscription requests.

        It is true no author is listed for the more objectionable material, but if these were published without his knowledge or consent, why was there no retraction, apology, or repudiation until the controversy over them arose some years later?

      • Pizza_God

        When the President of the NAACP in Austin TX came out supporting Ron Paul saying he did not believe he wrote them because that is not the type of person Ron Paul is, that is all I needed to see. (he had known Ron Paul for 20 years)

    • glaucon

      That’s interesting. The Young Americans For Freedom and extreme anti-gay Ryan Sorba blamed Luap Nor for somehow bringing GOProud to CPAC last year. Thus the recent announcement from YAF

  • Getting_Back_to_Basics

    I think everyone recognizes that there are significant disagreements over foreign policy within the conservative movement. But it is rather startling to read that a front page writer would consider his domestic policy to be “disastrous.”

    Bringing this country back to fiscal discipline, reigning in the federal government to be within the confines of the constitution, and restoring sound money is not a set of “disastrous” domestic policies.

    • Tbone

      His followers are Jim Jones signature collection kooks. He should be thrown out of Congress.

    • rbdwiggins

      nor sound money. Since there’s not enough gold on earth to back a $14.6 Trillion economy, what does Ron Paul suggest we use besides the full faith and credit of the United States?

      • Getting_Back_to_Basics

        What if the full faith and credit of the United States does not mean anything as the Fed expands M1 with reckless abdandon? Persons and organizations that are bankrupt have no credit — or are only able to get credit at enormous interest rates.

        The $14.6T economy does not mean that there is a statis $14.6T. That reflects trading. $1 worth of a thing might be traded hundreds of time in a year. It would not take $14.6T of gold.

        • rickbull

          off $6 of debt with a single dollar bill.

          Unfortunately, that only works when the debit is balanced among all the borrowers / lenders. In this case, you don’t even need the dollar — it can be settled with a gentlemen’s agreement.

          However, in the macroeconomic world, that doesn’t work. That is why we are no longer on the gold standard.

        • rbdwiggins

          I didn’t say it would require $14.6 Trillion in gold.

          I said there’s not enough gold on earth to back a $14.6 Trillion economy.

          That was one of the principal reasons for abandoning the gold standard in the first place. Our economy was out-pacing the available reserves.

    • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

      …that there is a front pager writer here who does not consider Ron Paul’s domestic policy disastrous. I can’t think of one who doesn’t, myself.

      • Bill S
      • Getting_Back_to_Basics

        It is too bad that there seems to be very little room on this site for paleoconservatives. The front page is usually an interesting read, but as we get closer and closer to 2012 campaign announcements, I’m not clear what aspects of the conservative movement are represented here, at least as far as ideas go. If the site is to be strictly about raw politics, then that is certainly the site’s right to take the discussion in that direction. Personally, I’m more interested in the diaries which discuss ideas and the philosophies which bring together the conservative coalition.

        • acat

          If you want to discuss strategy, goals, etc. that’s fine. You may take static for your positions, but .. so what?

          If you want to cheerlead for the Republican answer to Lyndon LaRouche, you are correct – you’re in the wrong place.

          Mew

          • rickbull
        • E Pluribus Unum

          Very little room for paleoconservatives?

          Yeah I can see where Fred Thompson and his thousands of fans found no home here at RedState in 2008. Ditto, these days, for the Mike Pence, Herman Cain, Haley Barbour, and Newt Gingrich wings of the site.

          Unless ……. well, what is your definition of paleoconservative anyway? Because mine is summed up in two words : Russell, and Kirk. Rough synonyms would be William F Buckley, and Barry Goldwater (some differences of course, but the main threads look far more alike than not). If you want to go more to the roots, then it sounds like Edmund Burke, a dash or two of Hume, Add in some tasty flavorings of Tocqueville, and (of all people) Fenimore Cooper.

          And THOSE philosophies, expressed in many forms, are pretty much the dominant philosophy here.

        • The_Gadfly

          Ron Paul has joined Pat Buchanon in the realm of irrelevance to conservative thought. Either of them might have a good idea here or there, but you really have to sift through entirely too much dreck to find them.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister
  • cej

    However, do not pretend like there are better Republicans when it comes to domestic affairs. Are you suggesting that “conservatives” in the mold of Mitt Romneycare would challenge Ron Paul when it comes to keeping the government small?

    I like, and support, Ron Paul. I like, and support, Rand Paul. I like, and support, Gary Johnson. I like, and support, Mike Lee. I like, and support, ANY politician who genuinely wishes to make the government smaller and actually advocates policies to this effect. I greatly dislike politicians who seek to expand the state and take more of other peoples’ stuff.

    We are faced with opposition who believe government should be telling us how to live our lives. Is there anyone who better articulates the arguments that defend us from these insidious socialist proposals than Ron Paul?

    I ask these questions in a tone of civility. I really like Ron Paul, but it’s not like I like him because he is some sort of deity. I like him he is a great advocate of liberty. It is the ideas that matter. I think you should take a long look at what he says and ask yourself again if it is a bad thing that he is out there saying them..

    Could some of his supporters be more civil? Sure. But honestly, I’m not seeing anyone in the GOP generating even one twentieth the excitement (which can border on incivility) in young people as Ron or his son Rand. Really look deep inside at your core beliefs, at what America is about, at what the founders of this country intended – hopefully in each case the answer is a free society based on peace. Ron Paul defends exactly these principles.

    • rickbull

      Does this sound like responsible domestic fiscal policy to you?

      • cej

        And not only that, Ron Paul is not even advocating the re-institution of the gold standard – merely the repeal of legal tender laws. Why not have a free market in currencies? Would you normally trust government to competently manage any sector of the economy? Why, then, trust them to run our currency?

        • rickbull

          and there is a reason that we went off of it. If you have never had a course in economics, I seriously suggest you take one. At least read a book.

          Minting / engraving money is one of the enumerated powers of the federal government. Are you suggesting we amend the Constitution to take that power away from the fed? Just whom would you turn that responsibility over to?

          I am not sure if you have noticed it, but we do have a “free market” in currencies. That is why the dollar rises and falls against the euro, the yen, the pound, etc. The government does not control the value of our currency. The only control that the government has is that they can do stupid things to devalue the currency — they could do that even if they weren’t in charge of printing money.

      • Getting_Back_to_Basics

        It was the long term goal of people like Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp to return to the gold standard. Since when is the gold standard a controversial concept in the conservative movement?

        • acat

          and the reasons I’ve heard Ron Paul supporters citing – mostly “a gold standard will reduce uncertainty” are provably false. The Great Depression, for example, happened while we were on a gold standard, as did many other boom/bust cycles before and after…

          I’d also like to see a cite, from after 1976, of Reagan, Kemp, or Goldwater wanting to go back to the gold standard as I doubt whether, by that point, any still saw it as worth pursuing.

          Mew

          • Getting_Back_to_Basics

            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124139616039181855.html

          • acat

            And that’s from an op-ed Kemp wrote 10 years ago.

            Not seeing where Kemp rmakes much of a case, either. The 1973 and 1979 spikes in the price of oil were not due to going off the gold standard, they were due to OPEC flexing their economic muscle, and the collapse of the Shah. As the saying goes, correlation does not indicate causality. Just because the gold standard ended in 1971 and there was an oil spike in 1973 doesn’t mean they’re related.

            The interesting thing – the thing I’d think Ron Paul supporters would pay attention to – is that the other guys arguing for a metals-based economy are the Chinese.

            Mew

    • rbdwiggins

      And it can only be only realized when one side so thoroughly defeats the other that they get to set the terms of unconditional surrender.

    • Tbone

      and what a disaster they were for this Country. Grow up and wise up.

  • smagar

    I hope that Ron Paul will speak out against those supporters of his who behaved like this.

    • acat
  • drfredc

    Seems CPAC has a new acronym — Collective Political Activist Crap.

    If Paul folks want broader support, they’ve got to get a clue about who are their enemies and who are their friends…

    • Getting_Back_to_Basics

      I agree the boos at Rumsfeld/Cheney were bad behavior. But I also think the boos when Ron Paul won the poll were also bad behavior.

      There is a long current within the conservative movement which has been suspicious of foreign entanglements. I happen to share in that sentiment, though I do not consider myself a libertarian. There have been significant conservative voices of dissent on U,S, interventions of the past 10 years (Buchanan has been among the most vocal; Buckley before he died retracted his approval of Iraq; George Will calling for military withdrawing from Afghanistan). Space needs to be allowed within the conservative coalition for discussions on the wisdom of something as serious as war.

      • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

        He uses the party as a flag of convenience and it is a shame on our house that the Leadership didn’t throw him out of the caucus.

        • bs61

          I used to be one, so I recognize one when I see it.

      • acat

        The CPAC poll is open to anyone who buys a ticket to the event.

        Ron buys lots of tickets and stacks the deck in his favor.

        The poll is meaningless, thanks to Ron.

        Mew

  • pantera

    he cant win a single state so dont worry.
    hes the pat buchanan of this era.

    we’re gonna end up with o’romney who will lose to the real O in the race.

  • Josh Painter

    forget GOProud, the influence of radical Islam, FedEx and all the other CPAC controversies. What really started the once outstanding conservative confab down the road to irrelevance was its infestation by the Ronulans.

    - JP

  • Carol Tarasewicz

    I heard a brief blip on the radio news Thursday, all I heard was that Dick Cheney was booed at CPAC and there was a clip of Dick telling them to sit down and shut up. I didn’t know until now that it was also at Donald Rumsfeld. Does anyone have Dick telling them to shut up? I love Dick Cheney he is a Patriot, and hated for no reason, just like most of the Bush admin.

  • tankertodd

    The Paulites lost me completely. They are a John Birch tumor that should be excised. They are a distraction and intolerant nutjobs. I used to give them some benefit of doubt, but I am now convinced.

    Not that I oppose a Gold Standard. Not that we can’t make a fiat currency work either. I’ll give Paul credit for highlighting the problems with the Fed printing its way to prosperity. But fortunately, the folks at the grown-up table have picked up on that and are running with it, thank you for the heads-up.

    • The_Gadfly

      which came to mind in my reply above, but I made the rare decision not to bite that hard. But I can’t pass on it twice.

    • Finrod

      .

  • sandbun

    How long would someone who posted the same thing but replaced Ron Paul’s name with Sarah Palin last before they would be kicked out? There’s disagreeing with someone’s policies, and then there’s

    “poor personal hygiene”
    “proof that class and breeding aren?t something that you can teach”

    which is not only unnecessary but against the rules.

    • acat

      I think at least one of those has been used to describe Palin’s supporters.

      Not accurate in her case, though.

      Mew

    • GOPer

      n/t

    • http://teapartisan.wordpress.com Socrates

      Sarah Palin’s supporters rise to her defense, even preemptively, because they have learned to expect attack to come.

      They don’t use insulting talking-point-speak, like slipping in “unconstitutional wars”.

      Sarah’s supporters are uniformly mainline conservatives.

    • The_Gadfly

      Past experiences inform present policy and especially postings.

  • saintgeorgegentile

    I think I’m starting to swoon, catch me. Now steady me so we can go kick the crap out of those RP weasels.

    • ihateliberals

      they are RINO’s.

  • EMT907

    Was that during the campaign, I saw no campaign signs or bumper stickers for Paul. The Ronulans had crappy, homemade signs or had used windshield markers on their cars. I hate it when people litter the side of streets with campaign signs (of any party) to begin with, but these were even worse.

    They were weathered pieces of wood decorated with a sloppy job of black paint. They weren’t mounted on posts in the ground but nailed to trees and telephone poles. I don’t know if the campaign had signs and bumper stickers or not, but I never saw any around here. It was all handmade and a three year old could’ve been more artistic.

    Does anybody happen to know if that was a directive from the campaign or something? It was just weird and trashy.

  • gumbeaux

    I find it disgusting when conservative supporters act like demosocialists and union thugs by harassing speakers at a conservative event. I guess we have trash in our ranks too.

    • ihateliberals

      Just to name a few of the designers of the downfall of the Republican Party. These RINO’s just don’t understand what We the people means. Rove with his attacks on the Tea Party is just stupid. without the Tea party there would nto be a Republican majority in the house right now. Who do these idots think we are? we are “We the people” and we mean business. If they don’t get it this time around in 2012 there wil be another expulsion from the house.

      • steelpier1

        that bad. I did notice that when Peter King was clammoring for tighter gun restrictions recently, Boehner slapped him down post haste. Don’t get me wrong, I detest thees RINOs as much as anyone.

      • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908
      • sharonmcp

        Dude, I get it,, you don’t like them, but calling a former VP and current Speaker of the House from the Republican party “trash” on a conservative website is way overboard, and reeks of the kind of partisan mudslinging you find on liberal websites.

        Kind of ironic, given your username.

        • sharonmcp

          Me thinks I see a blam stick in your future.

      • JadedByPolitics

        more then 60% of the time but TRASH! you have lost your ever living mind. He at least kept the White House from John Kerry and pretty boy slut John Edwards in 2004 and thereby those other men you mention above keeping us safe and NOT turning yellow bellied and running from Iraq but WINNING Iraq. You are a pinhead and really don’t you think you are trolling the wrong site?

        BTW I don’t the WE you speak of, because the WE I talk about would never be so ignorant and nasty as to speak ill of OUR former Vice President and OUR Speaker of the House and OUR Secretary of Defense. I guess you are a RonPaulbot who didn’t happen to be raised well by their parents!

        • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

          I have been friends with various sluts over the years, and NONE of them ever deserved to be even *indirectly* associated with John Edwards.

          And don’t substitute ‘pond scum,’ either. Pond scum is a vital part of the ecosystem.

          ;)

          • sharonmcp

            I needed a breath of fresh air to clear away the stench left by the above commenter.

            You always seem to bring a smile to my face when I need it most.

          • JadedByPolitics

            it truly was an insult to sluts and I have known some in my lifetime as well and they were much better human beings then Edwards will ever be :)

          • Finrod

            There’s an actual book out there called The Ethical Slut; there’s no such thing as an ethical John Edwards.

      • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

        There is help for you. Christ still loves you. Outside of him and your immediate family, however, I wouldn’t place bets on too many more…

        And Rove was a King Richard about the Tea Party in 2010. He will lick their boots and work for them if he seeks continued employemnt from the GOP in 2012.

        • LibertarianHawk

          We’ve moved well beyond thinking only of the Snowes and Collins of the world as RINOs. Nowadays, if somebody strays from the company line on even one issue that somebody finds absolutely and necessarily required to be considered a Republican-in-Good-Standing, they’re a RINO.

          If we keep that up long enough, we won’t look much different from the Libertarian Party — and I say that as somebody who basically considers himself to be a (small ‘L’) libertarian. The LP is quite pure in its ideology. It’s also a constant irrelevancy.

          • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

            There’s a punchline in their somewhere about oxymorons…

      • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

        It is very clear you will not fit into this site as we are both a conservative and a Republican community. In fact, though we support conservatives in the primary, we support Republicans in the General Election.

        You very clearly do not.

        Therefore, please go find another bridge to troll under.

  • Banjo

    The Ron Paul robots are the Code Pink of the right.

  • ihateliberals

    Ron Paul is not going to make it I hope. If he does than the Republican party is doomed. It will be another John McCain fiasco. We nee a very strong conservative leader. We can’t keep letting these RINO’s into our party. They ahve almost destroyed it. If they continue on their current path Obama wil be the Next president because the Republican Party will divide into the Tea Party and itself. We are not ready for a third party and the vote will be split so badly that the Dem’s wil take it. There is a reason that Sarah didn’t go the CPAC meeting. It is filled with RINO’s. Any republican meeting that has Karl Rove, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney in it is just KRAP.

    • dmccracken

      H. Ross Perot.

    • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

      that let you join.

  • wayneepalmer

    …why are so many of them so screwed up?

    I know a number of these guys (its usually men) personally thru a socio-ethnic group I am involved with.

    It is almost a universal truth that every one of them has a totally checkered work history having been fired from or walked out on job after job for what almost always is either trivial issues or “having their principles violated” incidents that are so ridiculous and unwise as to be hysterical – especially when they have a wife and kids.

    Their relationship/marital lives are usually pretty much the same as their work history.

    The spouse gets sick of being in eternal financial chaos because of their husband’s poor choices and lack of responsibility – crusades/ego come before doing his job, she is sick of being continually publicly embarrassed by their husband’s political and personal obsessions causes conflicts with family and friends, or she gets tired of getting slapped around by a control freak with anger-management issues or a substance problem.

    Due to their over-the-top obsession with government they will try to find all sorts of crazy tricks to avoid being legally identified and trying to reject the IRS and other government agencies (in the case of some of their spouses – also trying to hoodwink Immigration rules to get the spouse legal papers).

    While many of us are sympathetic with the basic ideas on our government’s corruption, we are not willing to risk jail and to have our lives a running catastrophe of lousy jobs, bad living conditions, and unending chaos just to avoid having a “legal identity” (being a slave to the Matrix).

    AND THE IDIOCY OF THE 911 TRUTHER CONSPIRACY IS THE HOLY GRAIL FOR THESE GUYS!!!!

    A topuch more sanity and a little more time knuckling down and trying to make a living while devoting less energy playing Don Quixote would help a lot of these guys.

  • Pizza_God

    Ok, first off, one person saying Israel paid us off to invade Iraq is NOT an Anti-Semitic remark. However I do not think it should have been yelled by that person.

    Why does this article not mention that Ron Paul was booed when he won the straw poll. Everyone knew he was going to win. You can’t jump on the Paul supporters booing Cheney and Rumsfield and not condemn those that booed Ron Paul. (and who in the world made the schedule with Rand Paul speaking before the award)

    And No Ron Paul supporters were paid to be there. Yes, the Young Americans for Liberty offers $11 tickets to there members, but that is not paying for them to be there, just discounted tickets. (and from what I hear, Romney did the same thing)

    CPAC is a joke because they gave Rumsfield an award, I would have been there and booed too. Cheney is not a conservative and is a hypocrite.

    I personally blame Cheney for the reasons we have Obama as president.

    And no, why would you endorse someone who does not represent your views. Specially one who has voted against Veteran bills, supports a foreign policy that is bankrupting our country and has a poor economic policies too. That is why Paul did not endorse McCain and why I didn’t vote for him either.

    • acat

      is not “buying” the straw poll?

      The rest of your blather is equally foolish.

      Do me a favor. Go outside. Look up. What color is the sky?

      Mew

    • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

      …as “Secret Jewish Conspiracy to do X,” yeah, that’s pretty far into anti-Semite territory.

      Sorry, but that’s objective reality for you.

    • Scope

      get anything straight. Here is an article from your DailyPaul site, saying that a group “associated” with Ron Paul bought 1,000 tickets to CPAC. No doubt that group is the Campaign for Liberty. I’ve read the same thing on a bunch of other sites as well, including that they gave 700 tickets in exchange for straw poll votes.

      http://www.dailypaul.com/156742/ron-paul-fans-making-cpac-their-own

      Seems that you are a little out of step with your Paulbot buddies in saying that CPAC is a joke. Seems like your buddies are “making CPAC their own, which is great. Next year it will be GOProud, the radical Islamists and the Paulbots, and I honestly don’t know which one of those groups is the worst. By next year Ron Paul will be the winner of the straw poll again simply because he will be the only one on the poll. I expect him to buy all the tickets next year and only invite his favorite radical friends.

      BTW, how many glasses of kool aid do your drink per day to stay so hooked, or is it the weed that does the trick?

  • tamib

    Paul may not be able to control who follows and supports. He may not even have any control in their disruption of events, anti-semitic chants and over the top protests. Paul could speak out against the types of protests CPAC saw this weekend, along with telling his followers to tone down their inane rhetoric.

    Even Bill Clinton had the class and courage to stand up against over-the-top 9/11 truthers. It’s a sad day when the words class and courage are used in the same sentence as Clinton, but the fact remains; Clinton stood up to nuts on his side of the political aisle, what is Ron Paul’s excuse?

    • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

      That is the main reason I have no respect for the guy. I can take views that are out of the mainstream, but I cannot accept either conspiracy or anti semitic crap.

      And if you don’t stand against it when it appears then you are tacitly in approval.

  • godsinfidel

    calling people names, like “mouth breather” and making reference to their personal hygiene, then you step into the arena of the liberals. You lump all of a group together as you do the Ron Paul supporters and is the same as saying all blacks are lazy, all Jews are greedy, all liberals are abortionists, all conservatives are Christian psychopaths. Is that really the impression you want to give?
    I don’t care about Ron Paul one way or the other, I used to support him but found more to disagree with than agree with but I virulently disagree with your assessment of his followers. Some of them may be idiots and some of them may be liberal plants, you don’t know. You should err on the side of caution and follow your own blog comment box “Be respectful”

  • liberty101

    “Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country.”

    -The great Ronald Reagan

    This attitude towards Ron Paul isn’t much different than the attitude the establishment GOP had towards Barry Goldwater when him and his supporters had to fight tooth and nail to get the nomination. The principles of the Old Right are returning & I fail to see why many fear that idea.

  • sailingaway

    Because no one I know who was there heard such a thing and it isn’t on any of the clips I’ve seen.

    I’m wondering if it is like those ‘racist remarks’ purportedly thrown at the Black Caucus during the Kill the Bill Rally in DC — totally fabricated by someone spreading it for the advantage of a particular spin. But I wasn’t there, and if you have a youtube of that or something, I’d watch it.

    I agree heckling invited speakers is out of line, even if they didn’t say that, and if those were Ron Paul supporters, they should have followed his request and been respectful of all speakers. I am just unable to find any record of those words actually being yelled by anyone.

    • streiff

      I guess it just didn’t happen,