Does anyone know anything else about the 12 man committee? How much authority will it claim over congress? In regards to spending, and tax hikes, how much authority? Can the house, and or senate, nullify the decisions of 7 members on that committee? How, if so? Also, will Boehner put at least one moderate on that committee since one moderate is all it will take for a 7-5 vote?
The reason I ask, is that if this committee nullifys majority votes in the House and Senate, Obama may have just “taken back” the house, and rendered any attempt at a 2012 sweep up by the right, pointless. We can elect 400 tea party flavored conservatives to the house next year, but this committee ‘could’ render that a pointless effort. I might be wrong, or thinking the worse here. I do that, often. Anyway, it’s worth taking a second glance at.

All he wanted was the issue out of his way for re-election. If he really wanted tax hikes so much, why did he sign off on the extension at the end of last year?
The Tea Party Conservatives are to be thanked for their valor, but as usual, we only won a moral victory. Virtually no spending is cut, McConnell is likely to put squishes on the 12 Disciples of Spending Committee (as is Boehner), and the accumulated debt limit gets its largest hike in history. How long can we keep borrowing? No one knows for sure, but it looks like we might find out soon. The most polite way to describe it is as a missed opportunity.

All Speaker Boehner had to do was let the Senate and the President know that CCB was the only option they had and if they didn’t like that then maybe we could put Obamacare on the table.

But no he had to come up with other ideas to get a deal done. Now the Democrats smell blood and will be pushing to get more spending for “investments” in infrastructure to create jobs. He will probably cave on that issue as well as the 2012 budget.

You know I thought when the Republicans took over the House the skirt in the Speakers chair was gone. Boy was I wrong.

Francis is an Eeyore of long standing. My feelings are as follows:

Was what we got enough? No, of course not. But we battled the left, with the whole press united behind them as usual, on whether there should not just not be more spending, but actually less, and WON THE ARGUMENT, in front of God and everybody. Things will never be the same.

Urkel said ‘don’t call my bluff; I’ll go to the press’, and he did. Guess what — his numbers got worse. He will not be president in ’13.

If the Bush tax cuts expire, the 1st thing the new president and congress will do, a month later, is to replace them, retroactively.

The left’s confidence in the power of their press megaphone is badly shaken, as it should be. It’s like the 1st time Tyson lost. Being undefeated is like being a virgin – when it’s gone, …brother, it’s gone. Yes, unemployment and things generally will stay bad as long as this term lasts. But we know when it ends now, and we will fix it then.

I say we did all right.

Something about winning the war one battle at a time keeps circulating in my head.

Yes, and Mr. Obama is all about winners and losers, rich vs. poor, corporation vs. workers and other Marxist theories. So following that thought, whatever benefits him happens to our collective detriment ,or, more importantly, vice versa.

We have now won the first battle by stopping the forward advance. Next we fight their attempts to flank us in the committee. Lastly, we end the war and take back our country in the next election.

So much for the ban on martial metaphors.

Glad I’m not the only one who thinks this.

products that are good/great sell themselves. There’s a lot of people spending a lot of time and energy trying to sell me on this compromise. While not determinative, it certainly tells me something.

Streiff–if the cuts embodied in this deal are insufficient to stave off the downgrading of our credit, and if the downgrading of our credit coupled with the obsessive printing of money pursuant to a discredit Keynsian formula produces a no growth economy as some experts now predict, then this has to go down as one of the great missed opportunities. If you saw what I posted earlier about Congressional democrats hoping for a collapse of the stock market as Obama and company predicted gloom and doom, I think it is reasonable to assume that Obama will not act in the interests of the country and that is a third reason to be highly skeptical of this deal in my opinion. I think the distinction between a deal on the one hand vs a solution on the other is the key to it. We needed a solution and all we got was a deal. A solution was a hill to die for, a deal is not.

Check out this take on the deficit deal and tea Party from Salon magazine. Maybe we do need our own country now.

http://www.salon.com/news/tea_parties/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/08/02/lind_tea_party

I guess my ideal of a solution would be based on the objectives Eric has identified which are the reasons the people voted Republicans into congress in 2010 as Eric has identified them–stop the spending defund Obamcare and a balanced budget amendment. I also think that the pending loss of our AAA rating should have been put on the table. The how to do it part would be as outlined by Michael Hammond. The thing I worry about now is even if we get control of both branches of government in 2012 will they defund Obama care. I am skeptical that Romney would do so for reasons that are self evident. We have a better shot at it with Perry. That is how I see it anyway. Any further thoughts on this streiff? I have to run now but wil catch up later.

according to Reagan is government programs. What’s to say that when/if the Republicans gain control of the House, Senate and the WH, that this whole debacle can go out the window, along with many other pieces of liberal legislation such as Obamacare and Banking Reform to name a few? Is it not true that no future congress can be bound by the current congress? This poop package doesn’t cut much, and it takes 10 years to accomplish. Can’t a new conservative congress start cutting, and just keep going, surpassing the number, and time it takes to accomplish more and faster?

As far as the commissions recommendations, if they can’t agree on what to cut, or the House and/or Senate doesn’t pass their recommendations, the automatic trigger cuts 50% from defense, and 50% from Medicare, from what I’ve read. This would happen about a year out from the elections, and I can’t possibly see the Democrats allowing a 50% cut to Medicare. That’s their scary fearmongering tool against the Republicans, even though they cut Medicare by $50 m/billion ? in Obamacare, As to the defense cuts, the liberals already cut defense by $400 billion. If the 50% cut happens to defense, our military members would have to lay down their arms in the field, and pay their own way home from foreign countries. We wouldn’t even have the money to supply H2O for water pistols with that much of a cut.

Back to my original point, no future congress can be bound by the legislation of the current congress.

“First and foremost, if the people making the projections really had insights on what the future looked like they wouldn’t be drones working at the Congressional Budget Office. They’d be making serious money.” Bingo

THE TEArrorists are coming home to roost.

American Tipping Point

We win = the debt ceiling does not go up

We lose = it does go up

compared to where we were a year or so ago, we did ok. Even if we did not “win”, we certainly slowed down the path serfdom. The thing that has bewildered me is that so many on our side truly believed we had to win everything this week.

What we need to tell the Repubs now is: ” thanks for last week, now what are you going to do?” That is how Lincoln did it.

you think we were, but I do agree that Obama was not the winner. His do- nothing approach has backfired.

But I would not dance around and claim victory. After all in the end it increases the deficit and spending and creates another worthless committee. The Dems will hold senior citizens and defense hostage to get tax increases, Obama highlighted tax increases in his speech today. I am proud of the Senators who voted against this worthless bill.

That being said, there is always a silver lining in everything. In this scenario, it is that we are winning the war of ideas. We have moved the discussion. But if we want more than moral victories in the future, we must purge the RINO’s and pro-life statists from the party and elect limited government conservatives.

The amount of risk Republicans would have taken on to “call Obama’s bluff” was simply not worth the expenditure. He’s already about as low as you can go in approval ratings. We definitely got our pound of flesh, to have risked everything for that extra ounce would have been plain stupid. We would have given him a very convenient scape goat for the coming economic crisis had we started bouncing checks.

On the policy side, what did people realistically expect to happen here? An actual Constitutional Amendment? Real entitlement reform to MediCare and Social Security? The only Democrats will let that happen is AFTER they’ve been dragged out of their offices and are out of power. They will let the country completely collapse before they make any real reforms.

The best we could have gotten was spending cuts and no tax increases, and that’s exactly what we got; and as a nice side bonus, Obama’s standing with the American people is in the toilet. Now on to the next battle.

They never admit that the amount in total dollars and GDP is so much bigger under Obama. I am so sick of the lies and distortion.

I would have thought it was farfetched too to assume that the White House and Congressional Democrats, after hyping their end of the world as we know it scenario would hope that it happend . . . until I read this:

In the end all Barack Obama and his corrupt party of Obama Dimocrats had left was fear. Barack Obama wanted a market panic and crash:

“I just got off the phone with a source on Capitol Hill who has spent the past few days trying to convince Republicans to vote for a debt ceiling hike.

He told me that the biggest obstacle he faces has been “market complacency.”

“Frankly, a bit of panic would be very helpful right now,” he said.

As he explained it, lots of people in Washington, D.C. expected that this would be a week marked by panic in the markets. Stocks would tank. Bonds would get clobbered. The dollar would do something dramatic. And all of this would help convince reluctant lawmakers that they had to reach a compromise on the debt ceiling.

“We were following the script from 2008. When the market collapsed after TARP failed, that spooked everyone enough to get them to fall in line. We thought the same thing would happen this week,” he said.

Instead, the market has just been on a quiet, non-panicked slide.

Stocks have sold off by a couple of percentage points, but nothing that indicates a real fear trade in the works.

Everyone in D.C. has a theory about this. Some believe the market is sending a message that a deal will get done. Others think the market doesn’t understand politics. [snip]

“Every day we wake up and think that stocks will send a shock up to Capitol Hill. And every day nothing happens,” the source said.

He’s still holding out hope for a panic sell-off at the end of the day.

“It’s the only thing that’s going to bring everyone together on this,” he said.”

Now that is a congressional source who purports to speak for others in his party. The use of the word “we” is telling. Does Messiah Obama think this way too? Would he wish that for another stock market reversal like the one he profited from in 2008? if he could come out of it smelling like a rose? You bet your sweet bippy he would. Experience has shown that he is the kind of individual who would throw anyone and everyone under the bus to advance his own interests. Ergo, I do agree wishing a stock market reversal on the country is farfetched, but surely no more farfetched than an Obama presidency.

On the subject of a hill to die for I thinking more of Thermopolae, Valley Forge or the Alamo where the cost was worth it. The Little Big Horn was not of that calibre. Rather, it was payback for a war policy which began with William Tecuseh Sherman who said our policy toward the Indian is one of extermination. Like others who came after him, he advocated wars of annihilation.

Take out the direct quotes, and this is one piece that actually reports the truth.

The reality is, Obama got most of what he wanted which was..

1) A debt ceiling increase

2) A commission that will recommend raising taxes

3) a delay of the next debt ceiling discussion until 2013

Republicans ended up with the possibility of cuts (or slower increases in the rate of growth) that probably will never materialize. And even if they did, those cuts wouldn’t even make a dent in the long term debt problem.

Finally, if the republicans were really serious during the debt ceiling negotiations, they should have used the gutting of ObamaCare as the only bargaining chip. By doing so, they would have had the support of the majority of Americans. Instead we got commissions, side deals, and the very real possibility of huge tax increases.

This deficit deal is roughly the equivalent to calling a deep throw down the sidelines, but the pass rush broke down and the QB had to scramble around in the backfield for about half a day before heading for the sidelines and a whopping 2 yard gain. It’s now 2nd down, with more to go…

It’s just one play with minor progress in a longer game.

So don’t get your panties in a wad about how no touchdown was made on a hail-mary to BBA going deep…

Time to get back in the huddle and push the ball up the field some more…

To win you have to get the language straight.

Boehner’s republicans have authored the largest increase in borrowing in the history of the Republican party.

Boehner is a legacy republican that didn’t flushed with the rest of it when America thought they were cleaning house in 2008. Most people realize that they American’s were rejecting Republican spend thrift ways. Boehner reads it the other way, that America wants spending and he plans to give it to them,

So, get the story straight, it was a spending deal hidden behind a bogus default threat designed to make everyone feel like it was a win to authorize more spending then any Republican congress has in the history of the party.

If you think the Republicans won the debt fight just do not look at the score board. Simply ignore the fact that the deal adds 17% to the debt, it only slow down spending slightly instead of decreasing it, and give Obama a pass until after the election.

I have been a salesmen all my life and have been in thousands of negotiations and the people who were to watch our backs must have been on a long potty break. They simply were not in the negotiations at all.
They, the Dems and the Pres., took us to the cleaners, no doubt about it.
I talked to my Representative and he was not smart enough to grasp what was coming at them, deer in the headlights.
They won all the coin on the table, we won nothing, not one Redstate cent. We are lucky we made it out clutching out pants, minus our wallets and belts.
What a bunch of pathetic losers.
Don R

said it best….
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
We are done, someone call Nero and get a match.

“If you can’t support our troops feel free to get out in front of them.”

No time to read the bill. You have to pass it to find out what’s in it? A super committee of 12 & with 7 votes it goes to obama? Who needs the Constitution, prof obama said it’s full of negative rights anyway. So will the government now be in the compentent hands of patriots like Shumer, Durbin, Feinstein, McCain, Frank, Wasserman-Schultz & maybe George Miller? Remember you only need 7 votes. The system of Checks & Balances has one last weak firewall. If re-elected all obama has to do is replace 1 right leaning Supreme Court judge. Then GAME OVER! I’m so glad we don’t need to purify the GOP.