For example, I don’t need to own a Trabant to know that it’s a crappy car: it’s sufficient that I’ve been driving for a while, that others who’ve had experience with it almost universally consider it to be a poorly-designed clunker for a variety of reasons. From there, I can extrapolate that it might not suit my needs particularly well when I’m in the market for a new car. (Of course, arguing that Paul is 100% right about everything that he says about healthcare markets on account of his MD is equally fallacious, as it’s an argument from authority.)

Ron Paul never turned a patient away because they couldn’t pay. He discounted services or let people pay on time, or when they really couldn’t afford it he gave free care. He thinks charity is a duty but it is grace government can’t or shouldn’t grant with other people’s money. He put his services where his mouth is, also moonlighting at a Catholic Charity hospital as a flight surgeon for $3 an hour to give care there. You hold this AGAINST him:? Sheesh.

Ron Paul wants to take money from unnecessary overseas spending and apply it to medicare and social security at home to see those programs through, while letting the young opt out so we don’t keep perpetuating the problem.. Since he thinks the Iraq war should never have been fought, obviously, he puts outrageous costs there, including air conditioning, in the unnecessary category. He isn’t suggesting keeping the troops there without airconditioning, he is pointing out how much can be saved and spent elsewhere if we were to bring them home.

He didn’t phrase the fence issue well, no question. Note that he did VOTE for the fence, as part of a package he wanted of enforcement, more border guards, etc. So he isn’t obsessed with the issue. But he doesn’t like the police state and how it seems to be used more against innocent Americans than against true threats, with groping by TSA and searching the content of laptops at the border… by House hearings, the Patriot Act has mostly been used on domestic investigations unrelated to terrorism, as well. I suspect he meant our safeguards are commonly turned against us….. but I agree he didn’t put it well.

but he isn’t remotely crazy, and on most occasions is quite clear what he means. I would rather have a president with his consistent record on the important issues than any number of ‘performsers’ who were up there on stage all of whom used some or more of HIS long time platform to sell their own candidacy.

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A man had a flat tire outside an insane asylum.

While changing his tire, he found that the lugs nuts all rolled into the roadside drain and were lost.

While cursing his luck, he noticed a patient inside the fence looking out at him and nervously waved and nodded to the patient.

“Lost your lug nuts, I see” commented the patient.

“Yes, I did – rotten luck” said the driver, “I’m going to have to call for roadside assistance now”.

The patient said,”Well, its none of my business, but I’d suggest you remove one of the lug nuts from the other three wheels and use that to secure your tire on so you can make your way to a service station”.

The driver thought for a moment, looked at the patient behind the fence and said, “That’s a great idea – thanks. What the hell are you doing in that place?”

The patient said “Look, I may be crazy, but I’m not stupid”.

Ron Paul has some valid points, most people do. He’s still crazy.

send him here.

for pointing out the Governor’s constitutional faux pas at the R.R. Presidential memorial library debate and made an apology months earlier to Texans for doing what he did (siding with a big o’ bad drug company instead of with the rights of teenage girls) over the issue of an unproven vaccine that has been directly linked to the deaths of Texas teenage girls that he claimed he cared so much for.

Perry said he “hates” cancer but if Texans die due to a shot well that’s life, right? That doen’t make him a “bat-crap’ lunatic no matter how many silver dimes it costs to give Merck and company a leg up in Texas?

shows that this cost includes the cost of securing the routes, maintaining the roads, etc. So the number really measures nothing and everything. Thank heaven they weren’t calculating how much it cost to feed a soldier for one day.

A nice attempt to spin your way out of the hole you dug…

I didn’t realize at first a satire piece would end up on the front page, until the bit about the Constitution freezing our economy in amber. Nicely played!!

Do not use the link in the original paragraph, it only deals with whole numbers. If you put in 2.5 grams, it drops to 2g and shows the 2g price.

Sorry I missed one important bit on my original post, but it still holds mostly true:

His original quote was “You can buy a gallon of gas for a dime…” but it was not until he was called on it that he later changed his comment and added “silver dime”…

Since the 1916-1945 dimes contained 90% silver and 10% copper the math is as follows:

With silver currently $42.29 per ozt. (TROY ounce).
1 troy ounce = 1.09714286 ounces

That means silver is $46.398 per (non-troy) ounce that most home scales use.

2.5 gram = 0.08818 oz. by weight
2.25g or 0.079362 oz silver = $3.6822
0.25g or 0.00882 oz copper = $0.00224 (2 tenths of a penny)

So this means a “silver” dime with todays silver prices is at best worth $3.6844 (actual market price, also known as melt value)… Collectors prices depend on the quality of the silver dine which can range from “melt value” up to $8 for excellent quality (XF) normal years/mints, or more for rare versions (1916D uncirculated = $12,000).

The last sentence was what tipped me off.

a decade before Governor’s Mitt and Rick had a clue that there was trouble in DC City. Both of these these central planners were out there pushing Romney care and Hillarycare.

Time magazine may call Paul a prophet but all he is doing is extending the lines as to what the consquences are going to be when you print unbacked money to fund “Ponzi” schemes like S.S and all the other ‘mandates” that thefederal government is forcing states to comply with.
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/8904-debate-candidates-beat-up-on-rick-perry-only-ron-paul-draws-blood

I’ve been involved in the Republican Party well over 40 years. Ron Paul is an old school traditional Republican.

In his last interview before he passed away, William F Bukley was asked what kind of Republican is Ron Paul?? He replied, Taft Collidge.

You don’t get more Republican than that.

But in today’s GOP Walter Mondale’s former speechwriter Chuck Krauthammer is considered a conservative icon.

And Rick “Gardacil man” Perry who was out campaigning for Al “ozoneman” Gore all over the blue bonnets in the Lone star state trying to turn it blue is sane as a rabid Texas jack rabbit?

Some Palin supporters are nuts but the vast majority are solid folks. Palin is a very valuable asset to the conservative movement.

Paul supporters for the most part are socially marginal and unhinged. We need to hope they follow Paul to the Libertarian party or the Democrats or something.

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In 1913 the year the FED was created a 20 dollar bill would get you a one night stay at some of the finest Hotels in New York City. Of course that 20 dollars could be taken to a bank and exchanged for a 1oz Gold Coin.

Today Sept 8, 2011 20 dollars might get you a one night stay at a seedy dive in New York City. But at market close Gold was trading at 1861.00 dollars an oz which will buy you a one night stay at some of the finest Hotel in New York City.

I actually think that for #1, Ron Paul might have been saying that $2 gas is a silly and unrealistic target, given that the “cheaper” gas of years prior was in large part a consequence of everything being “cheaper” (i.e., the price level is all that has changed, not real, inflation-adjusted prices). If my interpretation is correct, then it’s a bit of pot calling kettle black, given some of Ron Paul’s more ludicrous predictions (wish I could find the source for him ludicrously proposing that his policies would result in 10-15% economic growth). Nevertheless, it would also be a good point: Paul’s own record of dubious economic prediction don’t excuse the pandering that goes on in both parties when it goes to promising improbable gas prices, and someone sane should have slapped down Bachmann’s silly prediction.

It’s always if you support anything he says then you must worship him.. I’ve made it pretty clear in other comments I don’t agree with him on foreign policy and the more he talks about it the less I agree.

On the other hand economically I do generally agree. Not because he is a genius who sat down and figured it all out. He read some books. Recognized truth when he saw it. Mises, Hayek, Bastiat, Smith, Locke, etc. these were the wiseguys. Their ability to understand and explain freemarket mechanics and private property rights is the real genius.

As for defending the gas price reference, you’re right. I probably didn’t hear that exchange. I only managed to tune in about halfway through. I assumed because of other comments in the thread he was referring to how far the dollar has been devalued. From that perspective I do think one 1964 dime being worth about 27 2011 dimes demonstrates a massive reduction in actual value. Large enough for me to consider the value of the currency to be effectively destroyed. I don’t know at what point you would consider the dollar to be effectively destroyed. The idea that a currency in circulation is “not” destroyed flys in the face of hyper-inflated economies throughout history.

Btw, in 1964 a gallon of gas cost $.0.30 so 3 dimes. That would make the price about $8 in today’s money. So relative to a 1964 dime gas has gotten much cheaper. That hurts Paul’s case. On the other hand, minimum wage was $1.25 in 1964, so about 4 gallons of gas per hour. Today, an hour at minimum wage will get you 2 gallons. Another factoid, 12 1/2 dimes per hour in 1964 would be the equivalent of about $40 per hour now. Minimum wage ain’t what it used to be. I am saying this as someone who would scrap it too.

I can’t defend everything Paul has to say. Wouldn’t try. When he is right he is right. When he isn’t….
Well aesthete’s point below about robotics crabs is about right.

That is exactly how I feel about Ron Paul. There are times when I am in agreement with what he says. I love his passion for the Constitution and fiscal sanity.

But then he will say the most off the wall, bizarre things (ie the border comment, Iran, etc) that make one question his grip on reality. These things are so nutty that you forget about some of the good things he has said.

He is quite an odd man.

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which is what i normally carry with me. I also am not a big fan of money laundering.

I am just saying that should someone feel the need to flee the country (not because they were charged with a crime) due to the government encroaching too much on their individual liberties, even a person who has always followed the rules and earned all their money legally would nto be able to take all their worldly possesions with them were they to flee to canada.

And to be honest, should the need to flee every exist (I’m thinking some sort of “Red Dawn – Starring Patrick Swayze and Charlie Sheen” scenario), you better hope you live within 3 hours drive of the Canadian border, because your chances of making it up from Arizona are slim.

Again, I am not freaking out about this, or think it likely, but in a lot of ways the government, and especially the IRS has at least made it virtually impossible to leave the country with your money intact….

If you follow the sotries of almost all the holocaust refugees, or those who came to the US through Ellis Island, they all did so with their worldly possesions as monitized as possible and on their persons

Thanks for my first morning laugh.

Go to you tube and type in Tea Party 2007

Dec 16th 2007 was the first tea party…about a year before Obama got elected and the “Tea Party” movement became covered by the media.

Enjoy your laugh, but you are not being honest with yourself.

How dare you threaten me like that.

I will support whatever candidate I want, and I will post about it whenever I want.

If you ban me, I will not return to this site at all. which will one less user generating ad revenue for Red State. So go ahead and screw your self over…but you sure as hell won’t be intimidating me to be quiet when I see a disgusting thread like this one.