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Herman Cain: Maybe Obama Is Better Than Rick Perry

By: streiff (Diary)  |  October 6th, 2011 at 03:58 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

He didn’t say that exactly but that is what it boils down to.

Last week I posted a story titled Herman Cain: I Endorse Mitt Romney. I engendered some lively discussion mostly from Herman Cain fans who insisted that they could parse hidden meaning into his “Today, I could not support Rick Perry as the nominee for a host of reasons” statement.

To me, only reading English and being unable for a lot of reasons to establish a Vulcan mind meld with Mr. Cain, the statement was clear. He couldn’t support Governor Perry and Mitt Romney was in second place this was an endorsement of Romney.

Lest there be any doubt about what Mr. Cain meant, it was cleared up on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show today.

 I did say, Hugh, that based upon Governor Perry’s positions on some of the things today like being soft on securing the border, providing tuition assistance for children of illegal aliens, I have a heart, but I happen to believe you cannot basically provide incentives for people to keep doing the same illegal behavior. And based upon a number of other things, I can’t support him today based upon his position on things. That being said, I don’t think he’s going to get the nomination. Now if it’s one of those other candidates up there, I am going to support them 100%. If Governor Perry gets the nomination, I will still support him, but it won’t be 100%. [emphasis mine]

So what support will he give Governor Perry? 90% 10%? 2%?

Why would he give Jon Huntsman or Ron Paul 100% support and not Governor Perry?

Why would Cain rather see Barack Obama have a second term than give Perry 100%?

Is it because he’s not a serious candidate and his sole purpose in the race was to help his old friend Mitt Romney who is now is on the verge of creating the same dilemma for himself that Zero Mostel faced in The Producers?

 

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  • tailfins1959

    It appears amateur candidates say stupid things. Let Cain have a “honeymoon” period. However, if goofy statements like this continue, it will be time for Herman Cain to go the way of Michele Bachmann.

    • http://conservativemountaineer.blogspot.com/ conservativemountaineer

      should we wait to let hom get up to speed? 2 months? 3 months? 6 months?

      I, for one, have always thought that it would be great if people with business experience could be elected instead of career politicians. I’m not rrady to give up on that, but the Presidency is a *whole* different ball game.

      We cannot afford to hang our hats on someone who NO government experience or no execuitve experience (see Obama). The Presidency is *NOT* the place for “on the job training”.

      IMHO, we’re down to Perry and Romney. I’me *this* close to sending my limited $$ to Perry even though Pennsylvania is waaay down the road. Romney and Cain must be stopped. Now.

      • intensity

        ….100%. Fellow conservatives, please rally behing the only true conservative running: RICK PERRY

        • mspector

          He may or may not be “the only true conservative running”, but what he showed us in the debates was not someone who can face down Obama in a nationally televised debate. And like it or not, such confrontations will be a major part of the campaign.

          • intensity

            ….Perry will undoubtabley improve with time-and training.

            GOP ’12

      • trur

        must be stopped for Conservative Cause.

        • cwfoster

          Right up front I’ll say I’m a Cain supporter. I’m not a blind, rabid attack dog, nor do I make excuses for every faux pas my candidate makes. However, I remember a man who happens to be the first Presidential candidate I ever voted for, who said the the Pamama Canal was “ours, we BOUGHT IT, paid for it, and it’s ours”. Now Even at the tender age of twenty, I KNEW that we had obtained a 99 year lease on the real estate the canal was dug across, and even understood the concept of an earlier than scheduled turnover to obtain some degree of control over it once the lease had totally run out. We most definitely did NOT BUY it. But I thought he was the best man for the job, and voted for Ronald Reagan anyway.

          • jplsr

            At the tender age of 20, cwfoster apparently “knew” something that was not true. We did not have a 99-year lease on the Panama Canal Zone (unlike Guantanamo). The treaty granted it to the United States “in perpetuity.” Moreover, the United States negotiated a fair-market sales price (under eminent domain) with each and every individual landholder and the titles to each plot were transferred individually. During the Panama Canal treaty debates, thousands of microfiches of these purchased titles were wheeled onto the Senate Floor on a handtruck. (This lowly former staffer was the one who pushed the truck.) So Reagan was absolutely right: “We bought it, we paid for it, it’s ours.” As for Cain, every candidate has to say he will support the final nominee. No doubt Cain believes he will be that nominee.

        • rightwingmom52

          The ban was nice while it lasted.

          • acat

            (I’m thinking this should be a disco montage, just for the shock value)

            Mew

          • Jim Tomasik

            ~

          • rightwingmom52

            . .
            .

      • avagreen

        Write Perry a note of appreciation.

        He needs it right now.

        Of course, these two snakes in the grass aren’t the first two he’s ever met……but a note would still be nice. ;)

      • n2sooners

        If not ever saying the wrong thing and being nice and polished is the criteria, then shouldn’t we all be supporting Romney? Of the top three, which one actually personally attacked those he expects to support him? And how is that not a bigger deal than one candidate saying he is less than enthusiastic about another candidate?

        I thought the race card was a big mistake on Cain’s part, but this is nothing, and neither of those was as bad as Perry attacking those who don’t think children of illegal immigrants should get special treatment. But when it comes to substance, there are only two candidates who have records of making big changes and plans to back them up, and only one of those is in the top three.

    • txpat

      The primarys are around the corner.
      Perry hasn’t been treated special.
      Why should he be treated with kid gloves?
      He’s pandering to Rodney to get a VP spot.
      It’s a shame when he will get the Bachmann treatment soon, and fall
      off the charts like she did doing Mitty’s dirty work.

    • Marcus_Traianus

      No thanks. They told me to give the clown currently occupying the White House time to get up to speed.

      No thanks. I’ve had enough “fun” at the circus. It cuts both ways. Either man-up and show you are ready for the job or get trampled. This ain’t leapfrog.

    • circlegranch

      Mr. Cain shot from the hip on the stupid rock issue then had to walk his comments back the next day because he tried to score points for himself before he did his own investigating. He did the same thing today. As it turns out, Perry did an interview on immigration which is posted at www.rickperry.org and also is showing up at www.hotair.com Had Mr. Cain bothered to read Perry’s position, he’d have realized he is anything but ‘soft’ on immigration. Cain’s media and research staff are either failing him or he just plain has an issue with Gov. Perry. Perhaps he’ll do his homework tonight and try to back pedal tomorrow.

      It’s clear that both Cain and Bachmann are vying for Mitt’s Veep position. Both are on board to take out Perry who is Romney’s thorn in his side, and neither one will say anything close to a criticism of Romney. Bachmann was asked tonight on Brett Baier’s program if she was referring to Romney when she had said voters don’t have to settle for a moderate this time. She coyly danced around the question and refused to name Romney.

      Politicis as usual……..

    • jjhlh1

      after hearing all his comments recently regarding Rick Perry. I was particularly disappointed in Cain for unfairly condemning Perry regarding the recent Washington Post hit piece story regarding the rock with the offensive name. I would have thought Cain had learned a lesson from that.

      • Scope

        yet he stupidly (think Cambridge Police) throws out some “words” where he falsely gives the illusion that Perry may be a racist. Did I say that nice enough? There is no question that Perry is both hated and feared by the leftists who have nothing else to offer when the chips are down for them. They bring out the race card. Cain gave them much ammo against one of his opponents, and sunk to the level of the MSM in his false and phony attacks. Why would he say that he would be open for the VP nod with any of the candidates except Perry. Cain is in his Bachmann implosion mode, and he well deserves it.

      • sayoung80913

        I’m starting to doubt my own judgement at this point. First Bachmann, then to a lesser extent Palin and now Cain. i just read he stated he would not even be Perry’s VP. Sorry Herman, that’s more than enough chances from me. This isn’t a business where you can say things like that to a hostile media and expect your base to back you. He was my second choice, but not anymore. Looks like it is Perry first and Gingrich second and all the rest are a waste of my time and effort. I received a slew of emails from my tea party members with links to this and that is pretty much it for Cain at least in their eyes. He was already damaged goods and this just shows a complete lack of political know how. Exactly what we DON’T need in the general.

      • berengaria

        I believed all along that Mr. Cain was another hyper-sensitive black man ,out to get revenge on anyone or any group that he thought disrespected him or his people. We must have a president of all the people, unlike, the current occupant, who identifies only with select groups. Thank you, Berengaria

    • supergirl2911

      i have a heading from one month ago – perry surges in polls- please check the date of first debate where he was hammered and the first msm to call him stupid

    • notpropagandized

      This is his second incredibly stupid comment in 5 days. As of tonight, I’m switching to NewtGingrich with and eye on possible comebacks by Perry or Bachmann. One whole year has been wasted on enthusiastic anticipation of HermanCain’s nomination. It’s so sad, but now he looks like he was bought by Romney in hope that he could steer the nomination to Mitt. It’s going to be interesting because the idea of Romney being the nominee of last resort still stands and there are others besides Herman to pull for. Who’d have ever thunk Herman would be in Romney’s corner all this time. Good grief!

    • eabjr

      Did any of us support John McCain 100% yet still voted fro the GOP? Watch Herman show that he can talk just fine in this very intense and offensive interview w/ Lawrence O’Donnell…

      http://www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-fires-back-in-highly-offensive-msnbc-interview/

      • notpropagandized

        What a nice likeable man Herman is. Now it does not matter if he has a good or bad interview. He’s finished. He should know that most conservatives will vote for anyone but Romney for the nomination. He should have been running for president for himself instead of for Mitt. Now that we know he’s breaking a promise that he was not running for 2nd place and maneuvering for Mitt’s VP. He should think this over and consider an honest and sincere walk back to try and save himself for the nomination. Won’t happen though, unfortunately.

      • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

        …and certain key-points emerged, both initially and subsequently.

        Lawrence was as accommodating as possible, drawing-out quotes…because of the aforementioned rationale to help Mitt.

        Later, on Maddow, sub-host WaPo-blogger Klein characterized this as a multi-faceted manifestation of naivete.

        Cain will have become the flavor-of-two-months within a week, but I still have a problem with The Newt because of his fomenting elitism.

        Guzzardi and I remain the “northerners who went to the Gathering to watch Rick announce” [with my son]….

        http://www.saveardmorecoalition.org/node/5848/rick-perry-hes-guy

    • jlancellotti

      I agree with tailfins 1959. Frankly, the interpretation that Cain would reather see Obama than Perry, in my opinion, is beyond the pale. Cain said no such thing. It seems to me that interpreting Cain’s remark as Streiff did is slanting the Cain comment. I like Perry … but I like Cain, too. And I can and will support either one but I can’t support Perry 100% So I guess you’ll think I prefer Obama to Perry. Is that right? If it is, then you’re wrong. I don’t prefer Obama to anything. He was a mistake from the outset and he didn’t win the presidential election, the GOP lost it because people were sick of the Iraqi war. And by now, the entire country seems sick of Obama. So as tailfins says, please allow Cain a “honeymoon” period. Thanks. Best always, John R. Lancellotti

      • tyman

        Once you watch the video and hear Blitzer’s question, there’s just no other way to see it.

        “Were he to become the nominee”. After the primaries, the convention, etc.

        Cain’s answer was clear, and then he “clarified” it later by saying that he will support the other nominees 100% against Obama, but not Perry. Huh?

        Sorry, Herb, this isn’t American Bandstand…”I like Gov. Perry better than Obama on the economy so I give him a 75, but I can’t dance to his tune of illegal immigration so I give him a 25″.

        It’s either all or none to defeat BHO.

        • dio55

          What the heck is the difference with what Cain says about Perry and what Perry and Romney are saying about each other or what Bachman says about Perry . I was the strongest Perry supporter but Perry Insulted EVERY single conservative as “having no heart” and cannot seem to string two sentences together. I then shifted my support to Cain but was devasteted by his jumping to conclusions on Perry . But hey he apologised and i know for a fact learned a valuable lesson. What lesson has perry learned . he doubled down on every single non conservative stance. THAT is te difference between Perry and Cain. please feel free to change my mind because my vote in florida is up for grabs by anyone but Ron paul

          • txpat

            Perry is the most conservative out of the bunch.
            It is easy for Cain to appear more conservative because he can say what you want to hear.
            Cain hasn’t any excutive experience in gov and has no record to run against.
            Perry you may not agree with on some issues, but he isn’t feeding you bull to get your vote.
            I rather support someone I have one issue with, than someone who will say anything to get my vote.
            We are enjoying having Obama in office who ran for President one way, but once in office governs opposite on what he ran on.

    • mjeiden

      So you have no problem with Perry and his border security stance, guess you would not mind paying for schooling of illegals and giving illegals here citizenship, as for me I want them all rounded up and out of here, we are the only country in the world that makes anyone born here a citizen even if parents are not, actually that is not what the constitution says, that is a liberal interpretation from the supreme court.

      • txpat

        That we pay to protect the boarder is dilly squat?
        Perry has Texas Rangers on the boarder to help protect Americans.
        It’s a great fantasy to wish we can wave a magic wand make the illegals go away, but we must deal in the real world.
        Most of the illegals that get deported are back in time for supper.
        None of the issue on illegals would be a problem for Perry if the federal gov would do the job of securing our boarder.

        • avagreen

          are between “crappy” or “more crappy”.

          Perry has chosen the least crappy by trying to turn these kids which Texas isn’t allowed to deport (but is actually mandated to educate) into tax-paying citizens, with stipulations more severe than for regular out-of-state students.

          Texas isn?t allowed to deport squatters in the colonias (tent cities along the borders), but Texas is under order from federal court to school them.The state has cut off services hoping they would migrate back to Mexico and then another liberal organization shows up to sue the state for discrimination?It?s a crooked mess with a-holes on both sides of the border exploiting everything they can with the Feds doing their level best to (deleted) it up based on the way political wind blows.

          Instate Tuition was enacted in Texas to avoid civil & federal lawsuits. 38% of legal citizens in Texas are Tejanos and a large chunk of these are multi-generational Texicans who have family and commerce on both sides of the border going back over 100 years . Has has been the case since the earliest days of the Republic. Most who move here to Texas settle in Texas and become legal Texans. Perry pissed off a lot of people over the Anti-Sanctuary City bill (Most of Houston) which is why Strauss (in he legislature) tabled it.

      • Tbone

        How many 50 passenger buses will you need and how many trips will it take to send back 12 million of them?

        Do the math.

        • txpat

          Talk is cheap, and saying things like having a cowboy round up isn’t going to happen.

          • rattlerjake

            You don’t need buses, planes or trains. Alabama (I believe) passed their immigration bill recently (the harshest in the country even after the supreme court nixed some of it) and now the state is complaining that there are not enough workers to harvest crops or do construction work because the illegals have left or are too scared to come out of hiding. If every state followed suit, the ‘cans would leave on their own and take their anchor babies with them.

      • acat

        What, specifically? That the Fed protect the border and do (or, more accurately *fail* to do the deportment, and that Texas (and, indeed, all 57 states) are forbidden from denying an education to anyone.

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  • renl57

    …will Perry support Romney 100%?

    Will RedState support Romney 100%?

    It cuts both ways.

    We’ve had some folks here on RedState threaten to withhold their support from the GOP ticket if Romney is nominated.

    Cain didn’t go anywhere near that far.

    • Aaron Gardner

      Seriously.

      And Perry has been pretty unequivocal about supporting whoever wins the nomination because the main goal is to make Obama a one term president.

    • ragstoriches

      it’s a bad thing.

      I am undecided as to whom to throw my support behind, but one thing I know for certain is that it will not be Mitt Romney.

      I see little difference in voting for a man for whom political and moral positions shift more often than the San Andreas fault and the man currently occupying our highest office.

      If I were firmly behind Perry and Cain were to win, I would still likely give my support. And vice-versa. But Romney? The only reason to vote for Romney is to move the country back toward center.

      Even as a registered Republican, I reserve the right to vote my conscience, not my party.

      • lookingforward

        The reason we need to support Romney (if he is the nominee) is the same reason we needed to support McCain: SCOTUS. If we give Obama four more years, there is a very high likelihood that he will have the opportunity to replace at least one of the conservatives on the court with another Elena Kegan. That would spell disaster for DECADES to come, not only at the SCOTUS level, but at the level of the appellate courts (where Obama appointees will make up a majority by 2016). Will Romney give us another Scalia or Roberts? Perhaps, or perhaps another Anthony Kennedy. In any case, I will take Romney’s picks any day over Obama’s radical leftists. This is not just an election for the next four years of the White House, it is an election for the next twenty years of our courts.

        • porkandcheese

          He is against “litmus tests” for judicial appointments.

        • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

          Like Porkandcheese said, he elected very liberal democrats to judgeships.

          In fact it is one of the things that frightens me the most about this man.

          • macphisto96

            Massachusetts is made up of 12.5% of Republicans.

            And Romney was against “litmus tests” for lower courts where the main cases the judges looked at were criminal in nature.

            Only six of Romney’s judicial appointees serve on higher courts and Romney did have a litmus test for them, one that favored a strict construction philosophy.

            The idea that Romney goes out and tries to nominate liberal judges or the idea that he would is ridiculous. As ridiculous as me saying that Rick Perry will sell judicial appointments to the highest bidder. Please. Neither is true.

            Romney is not perfect. But Romney is far from a liberal.

            And I will say about Herman Cain, he is wrong not to support the GOP nominee 100%. I have my problems with Perry, but if he gets the nod then I go full on for Rick Perry. Period.

          • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

            on what concrete evidence do you base your belief that Romney will appoint constitutionalists judges?

            Forgive me for doubting but SOME OF THE WORSE ACTIVIST JUDGES WE EVER HAD WERE APPOINTED BY REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            So, I am very very leery. If he does not come right out an promise that he will only appoint strict constructionists then I cannot support him.

            He might be a good guy, but I have been lied to too many times.

          • macphisto96

            The first thing to realize in Massachusetts is that the Governor does not just send nominees to the State Senate for confirmation.

            The Governor has to send selections to the Governor’s Council, an elected body that was and is dominated by Democrats.

            So Romney had to deal with getting judges through a small body that is not going to be as open to compromise as a larger body (like the Senate) would be.

            The Governor’s Council also was extremely liberal, so there’s only so much a Governor could do. And trying to get a conservative jurist could also harm any good will you have with Democrats in the legislature.

            Being a Republican Governor in Massachusetts is no easy thing.

            What guarantee do we have of anyone nominating someone good? Bush tried to give us Harriet Miers, an iffy prospect at best. Fortunately it turned out for the best. But I seriously doubt Romney nominates anyone liberal with a GOP controlled Senate – a very likely prospect for 2013. I also doubt he would do so even with Democrats in charge.

            And you know who a big legal adviser is for Mitt Romney?

            ROBERT BORK.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/romney-announces-advisory-team-of-63-lawyers-co-chaired-by-bork/2011/08/02/gIQAArghpI_story.html

          • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

            strictly constitutionalists judges. That would go a long way to allay my fears.

          • macphisto96

            Doesn’t seem like this issue has been brought up much in the debates. Maybe someone can bring it up in the next debate to get it on record.

            But here I also will bring up an old cross post from RedState:

            http://archive.redstate.com/blogs/jjfuller72/2006/aug/28/romneys_judicial_appointments_and_philosophy_no_its_not_the_pro_gay_rights_pro_activist_judges_pict

            And it is worth noting that in that old Boston Globe piece that Romney had two different philosophies:

            “The governor said that, so far, he has had few chances to appoint judges to the highest state courts, where his criteria would change to include ”strict construction, judicial philosophy.”

            ”With regards to those at the district court and clerk magistrate level, their political views aren’t really going to come into play unless their views indicate they will be soft on crime, because in that case, apply elsewhere,” Romney said.”

            Most of Romney’s appointments were for judges that oversaw criminal cases. He didn’t get to nominate anyone to the state Supreme Court, but has said that at the higher level his criteria will change.

            I assume he feels the same now. He does state in No Apology that he feels the Supreme Court should basically overturn most campaign finance laws and give people the right to donate whatever amount they see fit to whoever they want to.

            Looking at his legal team, this is not something I worry about. But if you find he’s going to do an interview with a radio personality then you can always email the host and suggest he ask the question.

          • acat

            point out that the libs want to politicize the court system.

            I’m quite serious. I accept Rommey’s not a bad sort, but .. why is it that he has to be “excused” for this stuff just because he’s from Massachusetts?

            Mew

    • eabjr

      You have made the common sense and pragmatic point renl57…! Who here supported John McCain 100% yet voted for him b/c of Obama’s threat? These are SILLY and irrelevant points of discussion and I am tired of folks like Hewitt and others trying to goad such “points” from candidates….
      Folks should watch h KT McFarland’s interview of Cain of Fox News for a real example of a question and answer session…and this was on foreign policy to boot!

    • eabjr

      You have made the common sense and pragmatic point renl57?! Who here supported John McCain 100% yet voted for him b/c of Obama?s threat? These are SILLY and irrelevant points of discussion and I am tired of folks like Hewitt and others trying to goad such ?points? from candidates?.
      Folks should watch h KT McFarland?s interview of Cain of Fox News for a real example of a question and answer session?and this was on foreign policy to boot!

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      …by emphasizing the fact that we would indeed support Mitt because otherwise the SCOTUS will flip – perhaps for the rest of our lives – to a 5-4 endorser of any New Deal that ANYONE promulgates.

      I love Rick, but my cell-’phone still has Mitt’s endorsement of Toomey pictured. This captures my views; Mitt is flawed, but BHO remains dangerous.

      As noted supra, Rick is in-need of 100% support ASAP, for a lot of education is needed to ensure the GOP electorate crash-courses on “Fed Up!” before its narrative is mauled by the MSM.

      A little support from Sarah, The Donald, and any other non-Establishment Republican would be helpful….

    • msjallen

      I don’t want to vote for Romney but I will IF he gets the nomination. We need to support AGAINST 0 or else!!!!
      Don’t throw your vote away. It was hard voting for McCain except for Palin. Right now my vote would go to Perry. I am disappointed in Cain. My vote may change because I am trying to weigh all the issues and what the main candidates stand for if elected.

  • nativetexan41

    I was disappointed when he said he would not support Perry as our nominee.
    Now I hear he and Romney have made a pact to not go after each other and that he would be open to being VP to any of the candidates except Perry.
    That is not a good thing to say unless you want to be Romney’s VP.
    How many people are on Romney LONG short list for VP.
    For me I am voting for Perry, look at who the media is beating up on.
    Cain should justt go back into retirement.

    • tailfins1959

      We started with eight blank slates and Romney. Many projected their idea of a dream candidate on a blank slate, the blank slate fails. Then it’s on to the next one. If we test the other candidates and they all fail we are left with Romney. Perry has a shot at making a comeback, but we shouldn’t assume he will. All we can do is let the campaign play out and find out if Perry is a viable candidate. Wishing will not make it so. So who do conservatives support IF it turns out that Perry is out of his league?

      • carolynr

        Romney is Obama Lite and Cain lacks the foresight to say the right thing at the right time. What the heck is the problem with supporting Perry? Why? I don’t get it. We already have one gaffe machine…Biden…do we need another? Cain…you are making people awfully mad.

      • porkandcheese

        When was Romney ever the clear frontrunner?

      • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

        …because the process is indeed working, inasmuch as Mitt acted as might a D when attacking Rick on SS…while Herman is now overtly pandering.

        Two references are of-interest, one recalling a testy press conference [after his claim not to want to hire Muslims] and one fleshing-out his anti-abortion posture [which apparently has no exceptions].

        http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/57282_Page2.html

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/05/herman-cain-abortion-planned-parenthood-2004-campaign_n_996631.html

        BUT…

        color me “biased” but i don’t see Rick’s “viability” [or "electability"] as being problematic!

        He remains a force because of the strength of what people know about him, and few people migrate away [except to cast a protest-vote after a lackluster "performance"] to anyone else. The proof is that Michele remains in single-digits.

        Votes for Cain recall the way people cast secret ballots for the candidate deemed least likely to win, if only to send a message. But that’s OK now, as the field as formed; it won’t be OK later, when the voting starts.

        http://www.saveardmorecoalition.org/node/5848/rick-perry-hes-guy

    • intensity

      ….pizza-man book-campaign Cain should quit while he’s ahead.

      • porkandcheese

        I have read on blogs that Cain was pro-choice when he ran for President in 2000 before he lost and endorsed Steve Forbes. Any quotes floating around?

        • quakergrey

          I don’t believe he’s ever been pro-choice and cannot find evidence of it. He only supports allowing an abortion in one scenario – to save the life of the mother. I happen to agree with that one. Ideally, if you can save both, try to, if you can only save one, mother or child, it is not my place to choose which — we do have the right to defend ourselves. My personal choice has been to have my child and trust God to keep me safe but not everyone is prepared to die that way…

          Now when it comes to candidates he has supported in the past, yes, he may have supported candidates who have a less restrictive position on abortion. That will get you called some names in many quarters. Given choices between bad and worse than bad, I usually go for the “lesser evil.”

          Yes, he endorsed Steve Forbes. So did I. I also knew he wouldn’t win but I didn’t support Bush at the primaries. Some of us believe the economy is more important than others. I will not go on about that here, it’s off-topic. Just know that I am very conservative regarding economics and Constitutional rights.

          I dislike Perry’s stance on abortion because he accepts it for rape and incest. Two wrongs don’t make a right in my opinion. Sometimes doing the right thing is going to be hard. You still need to do it.

          I dislike Romney for many reasons one of which is his apparent vacillation on the abortion issue.

          I still support Cain. And I thank God he has real world experience which beats political experience in my opinion.

      • Doc Holliday

        it might amuse you, but that wont sell here. We don’t look down on people because of their jobs, particularly when they were successful. That sounds too much like Alec Baldwin taking shots at Hannity for once being a construction worker.

        • Kudzu

          And this whole blog post but especially the headline are misleading. Think it’s pretty clear Cain won’t be supportin Obama.

          Truth be told, many of you will half-arsely support Romney if he got the nod. You can talk about how candidates are held to different standards but I don’t see such comparisons to the Bachmann-Perry-Pick an issue disagreements. I see her picking up her tax law degree and getting a job at the IRS if Romney or Perry start building a lead…not campaigning for them

  • Tbone

    Cripes. it really isn’t hard to see that he is nothing more than a stalking horse without any political experience except bad. He has no government experience, has no foreign policy experience and just spouts a few conservative concepts.

    Here’s a clue folks, he wouldn’t get much of the Black vote and he also, more importantly, wouldn’t get any of the swing state, lunchpail Democrats who held their racist noses and voted for Obama. In fact, they would vote for a pro-union, black Democrat rather than a black Republican. If Cain runs you can kiss Ohio, PA and WV goodbye in 2012.

    • lookingforward

      I like much of what Herman Cain stands for, and I admire his personal story. That being said, this is one of many rookie mistakes he has thus far committed. Unfortunately, I fear this is a sign of things to come if he is the nominee. In 2008, the democrats nominated a first-term senator who made a boatload of rookie mistakes. The difference is, he had an orgasmic media covering for his every slip-up. Cain, if nominated, would have the opposite problem. I’m afraid that he would be a prime target for an attack like we saw on Palin, and we will end up with a nominee who America thinks is stupid and unprepared.
      On a side note, all of the candidates need to put their egos aside and listen to Newt. Objective #1 is to get Obama, Biden, Hillary, Holder and their corrupt appointees out of the White House. We have to get behind the nominee 100%, no matter who it is.

      • porkandcheese

        They will not be so obliging to Mr. Cain. His campaign is a trainwreck, and he would only be worse in a general election.

      • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

        The Newt is such an elitist!

        I detest stridency when it straddles the issues over time.

        Witness his opposition to everything BHO did on Libya, even as it evolved, as voiced on FNC during the past 1/2 year.

        Read his books and note the lack of a distilled specific plan after having pontificated.

        Note his new contract–

        http://www.newt.org/contract/legislative-proposals
        http://www.newt.org/contract/first-day

        –and decide for yourself if he has promoted himself more than remedies.

        • msjallen

          but a pompus one at that. He is for Newt but it does take a big ego to run for the presidency. Newt is old school GOP and we need some fresh meat in WDC who will fight for what We the People want.

    • atlracer35

      Career politicians on both sides got us here…don’t need progressive Romney or Bush III in 2012 but Perry will get the illegal alien vote. :-)

  • anxious4change

    when he says Perry is soft on securing the border. That is the furthest thing from the truth.

    • jjhlh1

      when it comes to securing the border. People criticize him for opposing a fence along the entire TX border. But he is being prudent. If you build a 20 foot fence the illegal immigrants will buy 25 foot ladders, or build tunnels. How much would a 1200 mile fence cost? Half a trillion? How do you build a fence in the middle of a river or lake? If you put it on land then you start getting into issues of property rights and eminent domain. Also, how are cattle going to drink if their access to water is cut off? Perry’s approach to strategic fencing in high population areas combined with boots on the ground and assets in the air is perfectly reasonable. Cain hasn’t done his homework, again.

      • conservativemusician

        Here is a great link to an interview from Perry by RightWingNews that goes into great detail about Perry’s position on illegal immigration policy. Pretty impressive and very well thought out, in my view.

        http://rightwingnews.com/interviews/interviewing-rick-perry-on-illegal-immigration-2/

        • westcoastpatriette

          It’s a must-read for anyone who is concerned about Perry’s positions on this issue. It was the final clincher for me to give him my vote.

        • msjallen

          for the article. It is very impressive and I agree and better understand his views from this interview.

          It is a must read but I had to copy and paste so I could read it. The black background prevented reading it on site.

          • conservativemusician

            Sorry you had trouble with the link, but glad you were able to access the interview. I’m still kind of a novice at posting links on this site as well as doing some of the more advanced features that others are more proficient at than I am. That’s why I don’t do it very often, but the interview was too good not to include the link. I am a Perry supporter because I think he is the most conservative electable and experienced candidate we have at this point, so I really hope he can get his momentum back in the next debate.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Lindsey Boerma repots today at the National Journal that today Herman Cain further refined where he stands as to Gov. Perry: “?Quite frankly, based upon Governor Perry?s position on some issues, I would not be comfortable being his vice presidential nominee.?

    Cain Says He ?Would Not Be Comfortable? As Perry’s Running Mate

    HOUSTON — Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said on Thursday that he would definitely consider an invitation to run as the eventual nominee?s vice president, except if the nominee turns out to be Texas Gov. Rick Perry.

    Cain, who rocketed to the top tier of the GOP field in several recent polls, was asked by reporters on the campaign trail for his thoughts on a hypothetical invitation to run as the eventual nominee?s No. 2. After offering the obligatory comment that he intends to be the nominee, Cain said, ?Quite frankly, based upon Governor Perry?s position on some issues, I would not be comfortable being his vice presidential nominee.?

    Cain said his concerns about Perry include “being soft on the border, issues relative to tuition for children of illegal aliens.” As governor, Perry supported legislation offering in-state college tuition for the children of illegal immigrants, which has become a flash point in the campaign. “And I haven?t totally gone through all of his positions, but a lot of positions I have questions with,” Cain said.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/cain-says-he-would-not-be-comfortable-as-perry-s-running-mate-20111006

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

    • Aaron Gardner

      He isn’t soft on border issues.

      I have long been a proponent of strategic fencing because it is a critical component of border security, and it works when used in the right places.

      I think what caused the hang up was that after it was passed, it was amended to give Homeland Security complete discretion on how, when and whether the fence ever gets built. Obviously with this president, that means it will never be completed.

      If I?m elected, I will direct my Secretary of Homeland Security to expedite construction of strategic fencing along the border, especially in high traffic areas where manpower alone is insufficient to do the job.

      But it?s important to remember that fencing is only one component of an overall border security strategy. A fence is only as secure as it is manned.

      That?s why I would increase manpower on the border, starting with thousands of National Guard and border patrol agents, and I?d also make greater use of unmanned aerial vehicles to help gather real-time law enforcement intelligence.

      We know for a fact that increased manpower is effective, because we?ve proved it in Texas with our $400 million border security effort.

      • trur

        his veracity.

        • waxmanlaw

          Time to judge his veracity. he is lying about Perry’s record because the liberal media won’t call him on a Perry smear. The MSM is already in full Perry smear mode.

          • msjallen

            must be a good candidate for the presidency. If I were Perry, I wouldn’t want Cain as my VP either.

    • supergirl2911

      this. To me this is terrible of cain. My first reaction was that he sounds pompous like he is trying to pick the ticket Romney Cain. That is my job as a voter. Second reaction is fear mongering by saying vague things about Perry and a number ofissues. Hes had the opportunity to tone down his criticism or at least clarify and he does not. Dis-like

      • msjallen

        when a candidate succumbs to running down another candidate (like Bachmann & Santorium did) to try to gain momentum or votes they sound petty and desperate. That should not be voiced by any candidate. This election is crucial and the GOP needs to support each other and stick with their views on being the next president of this great country.

  • bzip

    since the hard core Cain supporters will never change their mind BUT really…There are so many major problems with Cain it isn’t funny. Gaffes, Gaffes and more Gaffes.

    From getting baited into a race issue to not supporting Perry as a nominee to a silly book tour to a gaffee filled 999 plan.

    Cain doesn’t have the resources, the bank roll to go toe to toe with Romney in a long primary…Perry does.

    Cain without any gov’t experiences is going to lead this country. I thought we went down this road with the un-experiences Obama. That sure is going to go over real well. The list goes go.

    This really is a two person race between Romney and Perry. For the anti-Romney crowd I am not sure why you would want Cain, he clearly is Romney’s camp. Go figure.

    • wennejunk

      He might even believe he can beat Romney.

      Neither understand they are being played.

      By Romney.

      • Scope

        when Cain’s polling numbers start going south again. Cain only started seeing success since the Fla. straw poll, and his debate performance in Fla. The recently released polling numbers I believe reflect those wins. I wonder what will happen with his false race attack on Perry, his lecture to the unemployed telling them to eat pizza, and calling some blacks brainwashed. It’s not being lost on many that he is in a way protecting Romney, and going on the war path against Perry. What happened to that sunny disposition, with uplifting speeches, and staying out of the fray of attacking any of your opponents.? I wonder what will happen with his candidacy if his poll numbers start sliding, and if he goes lower as someone like Gingrich. Will he be seen as the next greatest VP to grace the GOP? No question that at the first chance Romney will throw him under the bus in a heartbeat.

      • txpat

        At Barnes and Noble in Houston at his book signing.
        Cain is in it to sale Cain for his personal gain.
        Consrevatives rethink your Cain backing.

        • intensity

          …..Cain should not be getting the support of conservative voters. A pizza man will never be our president.

          Perry ’2012

          • gekster

            It should all be about his potential policies.
            If you are letting pizzas dictate your prefernce,
            then it is saying alot about you.
            Are you ticked because Pizza Hut wouldn’t hire you.

          • intensity

            ….like Cain’s flat tax proposol. And I don’t think he has enough foreign poicy experience.

            I also think our country would become a worldwide joke with a pizza man as president.

          • gekster

            And leave that great mideastern dish out of it.
            You ain’t on a high school website.
            Gear it up a notch.

          • Doc Holliday

            this place seems a bit hot tonight, I think I won’t even dip a toe in the water tonight.

          • gekster

            you just did. LOL :)

          • Doc Holliday

            but from hating on Pizza, to some guy starting an unusual “movement” in Nevada, to this Cain/Perry pie fight, I am seriously considering watching Monk or something.

          • trur

            and Romney.

  • trickamsterdam

    interview is on podcast, on TuneIn Radio, if you want to hear it, it’s about ten minutes) that he would support any of the candidates, and even gave the example that John McCain was the not his first choice, but that conservatives made a mistake in not supporting him fully in 2008.

    The title of your thread/diary and the conspiracy theory at the end are really over the top, though, so maybe I’m giving this post too much energy (trying to convince you of something, when it’s obvious you’re just looking for trouble w/ Cain).

    BTW, Perry’s comments about conservative’s “not having a heart” was as big an insult to conservatives (like Cain) as anything Cain has said about Perry. Nor did he really back off it, just said he “got over passionate”.

    To me that means he meant it, just shouldn’t have said it. Cain on the other had, made it clear he would support Perry, and that he didn’t think he was a racist.

    If all this is because you are a Perry fan, you should worry about Perry more than Cain. It’s Perry that has brought Perry down. Cain and Romney are just using the opportunity Perry’s given them to get traction.

    • trickamsterdam

      in the first or second debate to the effect that our immigration policy “shouldn’t be based on what your last name is”…clearly implying that people w/ Hispanic last names were being held to a higher standard by conservatives or by the audience or something.

      Perry never backed off that one, not even a little.

      • porkandcheese

        No one would say that to someone with an anglo last name. That’s what Perry meant, and it’s true. Many Americans are uncomfortable with loyalty oaths and ICE raids and religious demagoguery.

      • streiff

        we know from the immigration debate under Bush that the core objection of so many of the Tancredo-ite base is to Mexicans. They are fine with illegal Irish in Boston and New York. They are fine wth illegal Poles in Chicago. And yes there are a lot of them. They just don’t like brown people.

        Perry needed to call that one as it is.

        • trickamsterdam

          P&C:

          “No one would say that to someone w/ an Anglo last name”

          TrickAmsterdam:

          Or probably if he had an American accent either, even if he had a Hispanic last name. The point, though, is that Perry’s gaffes have been worse than Cain’s.

          ********

          streiff:

          “They just don’t like brown people.”

          TrickAmsterdam:

          Since, you think this, you should probably forward this to Perry. He should be clear: “They just don’t like brown people” (Republicans, I assume?).

          On to the White House!

          *******

          I rest my case.

    • http://www.sunshinestatesarah.com SunshineStateSarah

      I had the chance to speak at length with Cain during his last two visits to Florida (the Presidency 5/CPAC events in Orlando last month, and his book tour events this week).

      This man is serious about running for the White House. To accuse him of being a modern day Zero Mostel is tin foil hat stuff.

      And what’s better, a candidate who tells you what he thinks you want to hear (cough…cough…Romney…cough…cough), or someone who’s honest about the fact that they don’t see eye to eye with someone?

      I feel better about voting for a candidate that speaks directly and clearly – EVEN IF I disagree with them on a few points – than one who says all the right things but I don’t trust to live up to those words.

      • porkandcheese

        When Cain, Santorum or Bachmann will say it for him.

      • streiff

        I did not compare Cain to Mostel. I don’t think he’s a serious candidate. He resembles more closely the dog that is on the verge of catching the car.

      • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

        …which constitutes a consistent set of pro-Cain postings.

        This is of course, what you must own, but it shows blindness to his glitches.

        It’s one thing to disagree with a few positions but like the candidate [noting that my positions are closer to Mitt, but I like Rick]; it’s another to be clueless when the MSM is using you to forward its agenda to “choose our candidate for us” [quoting Rush in '08].

        SSS, please get-with-the-program; note how few people are suddenly emerging from the woodwork to support your guy, and recall that the opposite had been the case as recently as a week ago [on this very site].

        • http://www.sunshinestatesarah.com SunshineStateSarah

          Cain won me over recently…very recently…but I’ve known him awhile. Met him in person in March this year and had heard him speak several times before that.

          I loved Mitch Daniels (I have family in Indiana) but he didn’t enter the race. I was at Perry’s announcement in Charleston SC and was very impressed but his debate performances have scared the heck out out of me. Gingrich is always one of the smartest guys in the room..

          And for the record, I’m seeing what is actually happening ON THE GROUND here in Florida and there is something different going on. This isn’t Giuliani or Thompson.

          I’ve never claimed Cain is perfect. No candidate is (no human being is perfect!)

          So, NO, I’m not going to “get with the program” and fall in line and just accept that the only two choice we get are Romney and Perry. Sorry. That’s not good enough for me.

    • avgjo

      race baiting.

      Cain has shown himself to be not only a race baiter, but ill-informed, ill prepared and inconsistent. Its like someone said on one of the forums I read, if the answer to the question isn’t ’999′ or ‘Chilean model’, he is tongue-tied. I like how he backtracked on his comments about Muslims and Awlaki; it’s perfectly consistent with the way he’s handled the Perry issue. Say one thing, get called out on it, and claim you didn’t say it. That’s his M.O.

      He hasn’t got a snowball’s chance of winning. Between alienating potential black voters on the one hand, and conservatives (with his race-baiting) on the other, he’s done. His numbers will tumble as soon as the media spotlight is shined on him. He has demonstrated that he cannot handle scrutiny with his flip-flops.

      • trickamsterdam

        I can’t tell if you’re responding to me. But I think you are.

        Oh, yes…saying you should be allowed here “no matter what your last name is” (1st or 2nd debate) and if you don’t agree w/ his policy w/ illegals as far as in-state tuition means “you don’t have a heart” is definitely race-baiting…

        But while he’s (Perry) paid a price for it, he hasn’t paid half as much as Herman has for some slip ups.

        Agree w/ you that Herman’s a gaffe machine. But no…he’s not half the gaffe machine that Perry is.

        Here’s where I don’t agree…:Herman Cain has a better chance of finding a path to victory than Perry…

        If we knew each other in person, I’d bet you…

        But I’d say it’s something like this:

        Romney 60%
        Cain 15%
        Perry 12%
        Newt 10%
        Others 3%

        • supergirl2911

          I would guess that Perry paid for his first gaffe with 3% and for the second with 12%.
          If Herman paid anything it was 2-3% for Muslim this and that a few months ago. I don’t have the numbers, I am just guessing from memory.

        • avgjo

          I wish we knew each other in person. I’d gladly take that bet.

          As for your comment about Perry’s words re: immigration. you’re wrong. It’s not race baiting. There are people in Texas, illegal aliens, with names like Vladimir and Natasha. There are even illegal aliens with names like John and Francois. Plenty of European illegals there, esp. Russians. I suppose the assumption that all illegals are from Mexico just got in your way. As for Perry’s ‘don’t have a heart’ comment, I think that was in reference to the subjects’ in question being kids, not from another country.

          Cain, on the other hand, clearly took political advantage of a libelous article to attack Rick Perry’s character.

          Cain is an amateur, and many of his ‘gaffes’ are what we call in my part of the country, ‘lies’. The rest are just his talking out of his ear.

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    Herman Cain’s greatest enemy is Herman Cain. Unless he deals with it, he will sink back to 5th place in a month or 2.

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      “…in a week or two.”

  • carolynr

    To compare Obama with Rick Perry is a disgrace. That is terrible. Do you respect the military…well Perry served in our armed forces. Do you believe that jobs are important…well…perhaps you ought to visit Texas and find their magic formula. And…then…Herman to put the icing on the cake…you back Romney…Romney is NOT CONSERVATIVE…SO A PERSON THAT BACKS A NON-CONSERVATIVE…BELIEVES IN THE SAME THING. SO START CALLING YOURSELF MODERATE…BECAUSE YOU HAVE LOST THE BASE

    • ohiohistorian

      Nuff said.

      • Aaron Gardner

        I am directly challenging you to provide proof for such and over the top statement.

      • porkandcheese

        When did Perry?

      • damianvincent

        Perry is nothing like obama on border security

        Perry has pumped half a billion dollars of Texas taxpayer money fighting a fed problem
        Perry sent the National Guard and Texas Rangers to the border
        Perry prevented illegals from getting drivers licenses
        Perry joined Az in it’s immigration suit against the fed
        Perry even pushed, with emergency legislation, to ban sanctuary cities.

        Who else can claim all that. Perry has the right idea on securing the border. You need fencing in the populated areas, boots on the ground, and aviation assets in the sky. You need those drones relaying real time information to the boots on the ground to respond to.

        Perry has done more for border security than any candidate running, if not any border gov out there.

        • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

          Perry and Cain differ on several immigration related issues – the border fence, granting of instate tuition to illegal aliens, Everify, and other enforcement programs on immigration Perry does not support but Cain does.

          Cain:
          ” I have a heart, but I happen to believe you cannot basically provide incentives for people to keep doing the same illegal behavior.”

          Cain’s basic position on immigration:

          1. securing the border by any means necessary
          2. Enforce the laws that are there
          3. ‘we have a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, its called legal immigration’
          4. Empower the states to deal with the problem.

          “America can be a nation with high fences and wide open doors”

          Perry on the fence:

          “?We know how to deal with border security, and you don’t do it by building a fence, …
          You do it by putting boots on the ground; you do it by using the technology that’s available … and coordinating very highly with local, state and federal officials.”

          CAIN on the fence:” I just got back from China. Ever heard of the Great Wall of China? It looks pretty sturdy. And that sucker is real high. I think we can build one if we want to! We have put a man on the moon, we can build a fence!”

          The fact that Perry is repeating the same line about fences as Janet Napolitano, the one who is engineering the massive backdoor amnesty through non-enforcement, is not thrilling. There is an attitude of willful helplessness when it comes to immigration enforcement – ‘oh we cant build a fence’ yes we can; ‘we cant enforce employer verification’ yes we can; ‘we cant deport X million’ well how many can we try to deport? any? The anti-fence comment are of a piece of the willful helplessness.

          For some of us Texans, we have heard the same exact verbiage from Perry as from Cornyn (“secure the border first”) It sounds good and is correct, but the ‘then what” question is never answered. Why? In 2005 Cornyn went in for an amnesty bill, an early version of Bush’s ‘comprehensive’ plan. He got an earful of backlash. We have seen time and again some of our ‘establishment’ GOP leaders try to push variatons on the same theme. But the grassroots voters dont want it. We burned up phones in 2007 and 2006 to stop the nonsense. What the establishment and ‘cheap labor lobby’ want to do is pass ‘guest worker’ and/or amnesty. That’s been their bottom line, and for many the ‘secure the border’ is just lip service.

          So what camp is Perry in? Now Perry may talk a bit tougher than GWB sometimes, and on OTHER issues is more conservative, but on immigration, Perry’s Texas record is not inconsistent with being in the Cornyn/GWBush camp.

          Perry joined Az in it?s immigration suit against the fed BUT Perry also opposed that bill for Texas and said it would be wrong for Texas, when many Texans supported it.

          Perry even pushed, with emergency legislation, to ban sanctuary cities. Yet he and the Texas lege didnt push hard enough to make it happen. Other bills on immigration have been consistently spiked by the business lobby and hispanic groups, and Perry has not crossed either, making sure curry their favor.

          Since the Texas border is far from secure (not that I blame Perry for this, I agree w/ him that it is a federal issue mainly), I am not sure he has “done more for border security”. Nor does being Texas Governor make him more enlightened on this issue than others. Rather, as a border state governor, he has had to deal with different political cross currents than other candidates.

          Hence the in-state tuition issue. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THIS ISSUE ALONE BUT ABOUT PERRY’S GUT INSTINCT ON IMMIGRATION. His ‘Heart’ comment really hurt him because he in effect was attacking ANYONE who wants to enforce immigration law in a serious way. Perry has every right to hold these positions, but the voters who are looking for a candidate willing to seriously deal with the issue and stop illegal immigration using all means needed … have to look elsewhere.

          Perry has one way to redeem himself on this whole issue. Prove he is not another GWBush clone on immigration and come out with a serious detailed plan for dealing with the issue through interior enforcement, REAL border security, an end to amnesties and fixing the legal immigration system.

          • gekster

            I would have to say you are driving with your eyes closed.

            You are spouting out the leftist talking points.
            Do some reaserch.
            Enlighten yourself.

            I said don’t drink the bong water.
            Do you think I was kidding.

          • supergirl2911

            Talking point. What has he done with border security? What secret or super or simple plan does he have?

          • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

            …and pivotal is Rick’s dependence on the 10th Amendment.

            What is OK for Texas is not necessarily applicable from the Federal perspective, particularly when primary responsibility for border security has been out of his control.

            Note:

            http://rightwingnews.com/interviews/interviewing-rick-perry-on-illegal-immigration-2/

            Key-excerpt: “…our institutions of higher learning would actually lose tens of millions of dollars in lost tuition payments if the law were repealed.”

            I would invite you to reformulate your attack based upon reality and experience, and then determine if Rick is “soft” [as Cain alleges, repeatedly].

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            I can tell you that the immigration position of the Republican leaders in Texas is NOT “OK” with grassroots Republicans … whether Texas Speaker Straus who spiked the Sanctuary cities bill and let open borders committee chairs run the Texas House, or Cornyn, who got enough heat to oppose amnesty back in 2007 after being for it in 2005, but is desperate to ‘secure the border’ so he can get to it pronto … or the pro-in-state-tuition leaders like Lt gov Dewhurst or Perry, who get tough on the issue around election time.

            The Texas Republican party platform is opposed to many of the policies, and so we see our share of campaign lip service from politicians who then manage to pull the rug out from under the grassroots.

            So I take issue with “What is OK for Texas” .. no, the status quo is NOT okay with all Texans and these policies are NOT supported.
            - Sanctuary cities is not okay. Rick Perry himself would say as much because he ran against Mayor “santcuary city” Bill White … but wait, we still have them and still couldnt get that bill passed.
            - in-state tuition for illegal aliens is NOT okay.
            you counter with
            Key-excerpt: ??our institutions of higher learning would actually lose tens of millions of dollars in lost tuition payments if the law were repealed.?

            You arent falling for that bad math line are you? Tuition is SUBSIDIZED. When you get less tuition, you either have other students or fewer students. There are other Texas residents who would gladly pay in-state tuition to get into competitive schools like UT. And if there are fewer students, that means less in subsidy, we have a $10 billion bi-annual Texas subsidy to higher education. We ALSO, btw, on top of the in-state tuition deal, have a scholarship program that they are also eligible for.

            Reality: We are spending millions of dollars in Texas subsidizing college tuition for illegal aliens. Most states do NOT do this and assuredly, it does NO HARM to their fiscal position to keep the subsidy to legal residents and citizens only. Perry and Texas lege have done this by choice only. In Federal law terms, that choice is not even legal!

            Also, you may want to ponder the disconnect between supporting this program so strongly while opposing the DREAM Act which would actually ‘fix’ their immigration status (and be a massive multi-million person open-ended amnesty that would undermine immigration law):

            http://www.cis.org/mortensen/five-questions-on-in-state-tuition

            “primary responsibility for border security has been out of his control.”
            Yes .. and no. On the one hand, he gets defeatist and says it cant be controlled on the other he talks about how much money Texas spends. It’s been admittedly harder with a very anti-Texas administration, but even before that, more could have been done and wasn’t. Texas politicians, Federal and state, complain about it, run on the issue, but it doesnt get fixed. Hmmmmmm.

            I fully understand Perry’s political position, posture and dilemma. Substantively, he has done a few things – like Voter ID – to do something without touching the 3rd rail too much.

            If you haven’t lived in Texas and followed the political scene, you don’t have the sense of reality and experience to read between the lines here. Our Texas Republican leaders are tap-dancing between an anti-illegal-immigration conservative grassroots and various special interests with an open borders agenda.

            You often see that tapdance in how the ‘border’ is used as a proxy. Nice interview by Perry you link, but when he talks narcotics in an answer to a question about immigration, we know the playbook: “Secure the border” is the way a Republican sounds tough without answering the question of ‘will you enforce immigration law wrt to those already here?’

            If you don’t understand and see beyond that verbiage … you just don’t get what is really going on.

  • snowshooze

    Personally, I would not come out in support of the guy I was trying to beat out of a job… until such time as I knew I was out of the running.
    Otherwise, I’d have to say something like… “well… you mean endorse somone other than me? Gosh, that is a tough one. Look, really, I can’t see it. I think you would be making a mistake going with brand x… they are the reason I am here to start with…”
    Cain has big holes in his background.
    Being under intense scrutiny is one of them, and polishing up a statment before he opens his mouth is another.
    I give a good deal of credit to Management expirence.
    You don’t have to know how to make a doughnut to run a doughnut shop. You need to know how to run a business, market a product, put in a good crew…
    If you can assemble a good team and get a job done, all that is left is trying to get paid for it.
    Now there is a heck of a way to go before I buy into Cain… but he still has a chance, and I am quite content to let him pull his act together. Or not.

  • jb13

    We have to decide, as conservatives, if we care more about reforming entitlements or more about making sure Mexicans don’t get freebies – because that seems to be the only criticism of Perry that has seemed to stick among conservatives. I know his debate performances have been lackluster, and it gives me pause. But to say that you have any kind of deep ideological concerns with Perry, simply because he gave in-state tuition to the children of illegal aliens who the federal government refuses to deport and then prevents anyone else from dealing with, demonstrates where your priorities really lie.

  • notpropagandized

    So it seems my love affair with HermanCain was one way. He’s a Romney plant to help Mitt get the nomination. What a sap I’ve been! I feel betrayed like Braveheart by Robert the Bruce. The Establishment always wins. What the hell!

    Now it seems the only way, the only real hope is to keep pouring in TeaParty purists into the House and Senate and into state legislatures and create a new constitutional establishment.

    TeaPartiers! Listen. One election a revolution does not make! Rise up, stay awake. Do not rest until your will is reflected in your political leadership, top to bottom.

    Yes, it looks like you WILL have to vote for MittRomney, but do it with faith that there is a new future ahead after a few, or several voting cycles. Do not faint, persevere and do all you can to deny any vote you can from going to a Democrat. Tranforming the Republican Party will take much more than the one election that is already past.

    Never give in. Do your duty for 2012 and be prepared to reload for 2014, 2016, etc and in between.

    • Scope

      Tea Party, Tea Party, Tea Party but give in because you will HAVE to vote for Romney. There is something seriously wrong with this way of thinking that three months out from the first caucus, give in and just vote for Romney. Is this some underhanded way of promoting Romney? or maybe not so underhanded?

    • txpat

      To claim Mitty is the one.
      I not voting for him in the primary, or you voting for him?
      We back the best conservative canadate running against Mitty and let the chips fall.
      If he gets the republican nom then I’ll hold my nose and vote for him.
      Until then I will put my time and money with the best conservative running against him.

      • supergirl2911

        I am not voting for him in the primary.

  • Scope

    There are more than just a few that have been scratching their head at the fact that with only 3 months to go until the first caucuses and primaries, that Cain would choose to go on a month long book tour. I read today that he claimed that Simon and Schuster believed in him, and his candidacy, so they are going to share in the windfall now from his book sales.

    Cain has spent little time in Iowa and NH, and they are noticing that, and are not thrilled. He has very few staff in those states. He isn’t due back in Iowa until he completes his book tour. I think we are all pretty familiar with the fact that those people, unlike other states, expect to meet and shake hands with all of the candidates, and having a cup of coffee with them with goes a long way. Does Cain think he has any chance at the nomination if he does poorly in the two first states?

    Cain’s comment on the Wall Street protesters, saying that if you are unemployed, or not rich, it’s your own fault was another faux paus. The way he said it hits right at the heart of those that are unemployed through no fault of their own. Think Leon Wolf. It could have been a great time to argue against the Obama admin. and to argue for conservative policies that promote prosperity and job growth, rather than seeming to attack those that really are the victims of socialism via Obama and the libs. I think it was Rush who said today that Mitt Romney is Wall St., and not main St. As a diarist said here, it sounded like he was saying “let them eat pizza.”

    I understand that Cain doesn’t have a load of campaign cash, and as he said he is running a lean and mean campaign. He is insistent that it will be done his way, and he is running his campaign as a new start up business. The problem I have with that, and have wondered about before, is that when Cain took over the pizza company, and when he took over the McDonalds stores that were unproductive, it was all his decisions and directions, with no one bucking him along the way. Having no political experience, Cain doesn’t seem to understand that as president, he has to swim through the muck and mire of some fractious DC politicians that will never, or not often see things his way, and do exactly as he says.

    Fox is totally in the bag for Romney. They have made a very big deal of Cain since his Fla. straw poll win, not to help Cain, but to use him as a surrogate to try to destroy Perry. Yes it was the WaPo that wrote the bogus Perry rock story, but few are even acknowledging the fact that it was Chris Wallace who brought it up to Cain on his Sunday show. If Wallace had not introduced that question to Cain, who would have given Cain the opportunity to step in it big time with saying “Perry was wrong to leave that rock there as long as he did.” Cain was darn well aware of the story before he entered Wallace’s studio, and had his attack prepared. Wallace was a convenient accessory to that hit job.

    There are several reasons to point to to determine that Cain is really not a serious candidate, and in fact is probably more interested in the VP spot, where he would be nothing more than an attendee at funerals for foreign dignataries, as Fred Thompson said in 08.

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      …regarding FNC; their commentators are honest, and O’Reilly is the enforcer.

      They will broadcast Rick’s improvement next week, just when it’s needed the most.

      The key-issue will be now to “demote” Cain without opening the GOP-electorate to MSM-charges of covert-racism…assuming that’s even possible.

      We can’t call him a joke, or not-ready-for-prime-time, or whatever.

      He simply must be gently supplanted.

  • avagreen

    Fine. I doubt that Perry will ask him.

    At any rate, I think that Cain is currying points to become Romney’s VP.

    Let him stew in his own juices. I wouldn’t want him a heartbeat away from the job anyway. I don’t trust his slick flip-flop views, and I USED TO SUPPORT HIM!!

  • NeoKong

    So Herman Cain is the enemy now….?
    He’s a plant…?
    He’s stupid ?
    He has no chance ?
    Need I remind anyone of who we ran last time ?
    Raise your hand if you wanted McCain….100%
    I’m still disgusted we nominated him.

    Herman Cain has ten times the qualifications Obama has ever had.
    I would say he has more business cred than Romney.
    Plus he has been actively campaigning to support the GOP and the Tea Party.
    Has Romney….?
    What has Romney done lately except run for President ?
    Romney runs away from Tea Partiers faster than Rachel Maddow.

    Cain is trying to get himself elected and not Rick Perry if that is OK with some people here.
    What he has said about Perry is mild to some of the things I have read here on the front page.

    Take a breath people and slow down and relax.
    Watch the debate next week and see how it goes.
    In the end there can only be one.
    Someone has to fall.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      Herman Cain probably expects the party to fall in line behind him if he wins the nomination.

      It’s only fair to expect him to do the same should another candidate win the nomination.

      The standard is different for candidates and party officials.

      • NeoKong

        He said he can’t support some of his policies and he is not the only one.
        To suggest that he would support Obama instead of Rick Perry if Perry was the candidate is hyperbole and quite the stretch.
        I like Cain.
        I could certainly support Perry and if I have no choice I would support Romney but he is not who I want.
        Asking for 100% would be asking a lot.
        I don’t trust him but I would vote for him over Obama.

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          ..

        • supergirl2911

          in my opinion is how VAGUE he is. It seems like deliberate fear mongering. It translates like this: “There are several nonspecific secret things that I cannot articulate and do not want to spend time talking about. It could be that killed kittens and buried them behind the governor’s mansion. I have the photos and I am waiting for the appropriate time to release them.. It could be that he has a sex scandal that will make us all scream in horror, but I do not want to tell you because I am of course above all this. Unless I need to tell it to win VP.” “Oh, I cannot tell you his various issues and reasons because that will draw undue criticism to the issues anyone might have me and my candidacy.”

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      …underneath the Cain “Cinema”:

      http://www.politico.com/morningscore/

      “CARBON COPIES” – NEW PERRY WEB AD ATTACKS ROMNEY’S ENVIRONMENTAL RECORD: The Perry campaign will distribute a 60-second web video today that accuses Mitt Romney of being on the same page as President Obama when it comes to the environment. It is built around yesterday’s Wall Street Journal story about his Massachusetts record and notes that two former Romney environmental advisors are now members of the administration. Watch: http://bit.ly/renpjq.

      FIRST IN SCORE – ROMNEY IMMIGRATION HIT WELCOMES PERRY TO IOWA: As Rick Perry heads to Iowa this afternoon, the Romney campaign will blast out an Iowa-tailored immigration attack. The release calculates how much money illegal immigrants would save if they could attend Iowa’s public universities for in-state tuition, as opposed to the out-of-state tuition they now pay. At the University Of Iowa, it is about $70,000 over four years. At Iowa State University, it adds up to nearly $50,000. And at the University of Northern Iowa, the so-called Perry subsidy would mean $35,000 in savings.

  • earlgrey

    There are a lot of things I like about Cain, but this week has just been too many gaffes, and he hasn’t held any political office. I see where some people see this as a plus, but I see it as a minus for the General.

    • ohiohistorian

      tell me how you equate his positions on illegals with the requirement to “support and defend the United States?” Educate me; I don’t think that in-state tuition for ADULTS (remember what 18 means) and all of the other stuff that Perry is pushing can qualify him as POTUS. We don’t need another Bush/Obama defending this country.

      • earlgrey

        else, but I can’t.

        I am not going in for Cain because of the reasons I mentioned above, and because of the appearance that he is teaming up with Romney to beat down Perry. It makes me wonder how serious he is about the nomination.

        I support Perry, but by the time I vote it will be a done deal because of where I live, so I suggest you go and find someone else in one of the early primary votes to challenge on this.

      • acat

        while Barak Obama (and George W. Bush and Bill Clinton and George Bush and Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford .. need I go on?) did *not* send the Navy to do the same.

        It’s great to screech about “immigration” but reducing a complex issue to a bumper-sticker mentality does not impress, nor convince.

        I would put more weight on the opinion of a long-term border-state Governor than on someone who quotes Prager.

        Mew

      • porkandcheese

        As adults. Their parents brought them here as children. Last I checked, the conservative position was we don’t punish a child for the parents’ mistake.

        • tyman

          you’ll never go to college, own your own home, whatever, because of what your parents did.

          As a conservative, I’d much rather the child learn about the greatness of America and work to be whatever they want than to take Federally mandated wellfare from the State, I might add, and all other kinds of goodies. If they’ve lived in the State for 3 years and graduated from a Texas High School and paid into the system via State Sales Taxes, why should they have to pay out of state? To say that someone who thinks they should doesn’t have a heart is the wrong thing, but I think they are being very disingenuous. In my view, the lazy, ne’er-do-well American is no more deserving of my tax dollars than the illegals…what to do about them? Can we work out a deal with Mexico to take them, too?

          By the way, I think the Fed’s illegal immigration failure guided Perry’s decision on Gardasil. Think about this: Texas is the number 2 state for HPV and from what I read there is going to be an epidemic of cervical cancer, if there isn’t already. If these people are on wellfare, when they get cancer, who are they going to turn to? Last time I checked, a vaccine was a WHOLE LOT cheaper than treating cancer.

          I think Perry was trying to be proactive and head this enormous problem off.

      • txpat

        Texas wouldn’t have had to make these decisions if our federal gov did it’s job.
        Plus these illegals pay taxes in Texas in the form of state sales tax.
        Don’t like it, but when the gov won’t secure the boarder you make choices on what is best for your state.

      • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

        [as discussed supra]

        http://rightwingnews.com/interviews/interviewing-rick-perry-on-illegal-immigration-2/

  • ohiohistorian

    “Can Herman Cain withstand the media?” was the story I received from this web site. I guess that I don’t need to worry about withstanding the media when good people like you lead off with stupid headlines (which was NOT said; but you got the attention you craved, didn’t you?).

    Just because you may think Rick is the “real deal”, let me tell you what a lot of us out here think, Perry’s immigration position makes him unqualified to defend the borders of the US. No matter what else he might have going for him. Cain was correct in what he said, and I expect that, as people read what he means, and don’t go pole-vaulting over mushrooms like you did,

    If you conservatives who write above think that Cain is going on a book tour and not campaigning, please look at your sources. The only three I know of are Rachel Madcow, a writer at the Christian Science Monitor, and the MSNBC blog he quoted.

    • Aaron Gardner

      Please, be specific as possible. And no pole-vaulting over mushrooms.

    • davesinsanantonio

      He sent the Texas Rangers to defend it when the feds refused. How does that make him “unqualified”???

      • circlegranch

        and as for Herman Cain criticizing Perry’s positions on immigration, he speaks from a point of NO first hand experience or actual knowledge of the situation on the ground. At www.rickperry.org, Perry was interviewed about immigration yesterday and if Cain would do his homework before shooting from the hip, he would be more respected and credible rather than taking shots to get some media buzz. Also, for the uninformed such as Mr. Cain, doubters can go to the governor’s state website and find out what has been done and is being done today on illegal immigration in Texas. Cain would be President Zero when it comes to dealing with this problem as he has no experience; Romney was for amnesty before he was against it, much like his stances on abortion and gay marriage.

        It’s becoming more difficult to have admiration for Herman Cain because he increasingly is positioning himself with these off-the-cuff, ill-informed comments as an opportunist. The only way he gets traction in the polls is to throw red meat in the way of provocative rhetoric. That’s fine; just don’t misrepresent and sometimes outright lie about a fellow contender in order to get those TV cameras to follow you around all day hoping for another sensational statement.

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      …if you would reply to the specifics rather than continue exhibiting your penchant to attack:

      http://rightwingnews.com/interviews/interviewing-rick-perry-on-illegal-immigration-2/

  • kmpesq

    Right now, Cain is running against Perry to be the Anti-Romney. I think he’s not criticizing Romney because, quite frankly, he doesn’t have to at this point. Remember, he’s a math guy. That means, presumably, Cain can count to 100. I’m sure he (his people, whoever) sees that Romney’s level of support has hovered between 20 & 30 percent. Thus, Cain being a math guy, has correctly surmised that there are at least 70-80 percent of the primary electorate who don’t want Romney.

    So, with more than 2/3 of the electorate up for grabs, Cain has to make all of the other candidates less attractive than he. Let’s look at the field: Paul, Santorum, Huntsman and Bachmann can’t get above 10%. Gingrich is hovering around 10%. So, collectively, those five candidates are polling somewhere between 15 and 20 percent. That leaves Cain and Perry fighting over the remaining 50% or so.

    Perry has a huge advantage in name id and campaign cash. Straight up, there is no way that Cain can compete against Perry. The only way for Cain to have a chance is to bloody Perry up, so that he can get some of Perry’s donors to donate to him, as an Anti Romney candidate.

    In the interest of full disclosure, I like Perry, Cain and even Romney a hell of a lot more than I like Obama, which I’ve expressed many times. I will have no problem pulling the lever for any of these guys. But I don’t think that Cain’s actions are meant to promote Romney. I think his actions are meant to bring Perry down, so as to establish Cain as the Anti-Romney candidate.

    • streiff

      I mostly agree with what you say but it still doesn’t explain his statement in any adequate way.

    • davesinsanantonio

      says anything against Romney?

      • txpat

        Cain is in the tank for Romney.
        Open your eyes people.
        This is like watching Survivor with people making deals to get others voted off.
        So Romney will be the last one on the island.

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      …extreme rejection of Perry.

      Regardless of the mind-reading, the motive is too political when Walt Kelly is remembered:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogo_(comic_strip)

      [note pivotal cartoon of Pogo which is flush-right]

      I guess I’m showing my age, but Cain must remember the ID of the “true” enemy to American Exceptionalism…ASAP!

    • supergirl2911

      but I did not know who Perry was until a couple months ago. I don’t think he had name id. I would think the person who is the Governor of Texas, that role would carry weight and influence, especially when Texas is improving at a greater rate than the rest of the country, let alone free world. However I did not know who that was. And 4 months ago, without any information about Texas, the governor, any records on immigration or jobs… I would have thought, as a conservative who watched Bush, for better or worse, and who supported Bush, and say Don’t Run.
      However, now he is at the top of my list. “For numerous reasons”

  • runner12

    and still slinging around the mud. You can still stay true to your convictions and not say such statements. All you had to do was say that you disagreed with Perry, but that you would 100% support him if he were the nominee because ANYONE in the GOP field is better than Obama.

    Remember it was not Perry who brought us ObamaCare, TARP, TARP 2, Dodd-Frank, Fast & Furious, Solyndra scandal, class warfare, socialist redistribution of wealth, and massive unsustainable debt. It was Barack Obama. Quit spewing these ridiculous statements. Stay focused on making this all about Obama.

    Whoever is telling you to go negative, fire them. You have had success because you were positive. If you keep this up, your campaign will spiral downhill.

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      … noting the multiple reinforcements, masquerading as walk-backs, when requests to clarify have been issued.]

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    … by his own illogic.

    Herman Cain on Perry: “I will still support him,”

    lets hear that again …

    Herman Cain on Perry: “I will still support him,”

    wait a sec, was this a post about how Cain won’t support Perry? and yet Cain said … “I will still support him,”

    Oh, “it won’t be 100%” so Streiff goes hard-of-understanding on this, as if he hasnt been involved in politics to know the difference between a hold-my-nose and vote for lesser-of-evils supporter and I’ll stand-in-rain-for-hours-with-his-sign kind of supporter.

    I’m beyond disappointed with the phony atttack here, as if MSNBC and leftwing race hustlers arent giving our guys enough grief, we have to invent umbrage out of nothing.

    How on EARTH does someone who’s not 100% excited about Perry because of Perry’s soft immigration position get translated into “Obama is better than Perry”.

    Unless Streiff is willing to door-knock for Ron Paul should Ron Paul win the nomination, we could twist and turn that disaffection into some nonsense like “Streiff support Obama”. No, that would be nonsense of course, just like the article he wrote.

    • trur

      …

    • gekster

      Don’t drink the water in the bong.
      Thats the truth.

    • streiff

      if I woke up in some bizarro world where he was the GOP candidate. Of course in that world Barack Obama would probably be a red headed Eskimo dwarf.

      Again, Cain says he will support Huntsman, Gingrich, Santorum, Bachmann, and Romney 100%. Only one of that group matters because the rest are nonentities as candidates. He won’t support Perry 100%.

      That tells me he’s either not serious or he’s a shill for Romney and his job is to weaken Perry to the benefit of Romney.

      To your title, I’ve never said I wouldn’t support any of the candidates if they win the nomination. So there is quite a bit of difference between me an Cain in terms of focus on winning the White House.

      • trur

        100%. I can’t say the same about Mitt but if IT happens then I suppose I can find some INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH NOSE PLUGS.

      • Common_Cents

        or change your headline. It is deceiving unless you can provide some proof/direct quotes.

        Cain needs vetting and will get it now he is polling in the top 4. Cain is going to be a gaffe machine because he hasn’t been through the political machine. Cain might have varied motives.

        But show me where Cain would prefer Obama over Perry.

        • streiff

          you don’t like my title, don’t read it.

          • Common_Cents

            After that informative response.

          • lineholder

            save your breath. It’s all about winnowing the field to one anti-Mitt candidate now.

            We’ll see how it goes, but I have to admit that I think this approach could backfire. Why? Because it is exactly what you’ve stated it to be, folks aren’t much in the mood for nonsense, it could tick them off more than anything else, and when people get ticked off they can also be contrary to the hilt.

          • trur

            ?

          • Kenny Martsolf
          • gekster

      • Tbone

        With no birth certificate, passport, legit SS# or college transcript.

        See, truth can be stranger than fiction. ;-)

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      ….the bottom-line is that Perry will support the GOP nominee, while Cain said he wouldn’t.

      Anything less than 100% support for the GOP will help to re-elect BHO.

      Therefore, Cain is posturing himself disingenuously, and dangerously.

  • BA Cyclone

    Just because a particular person isn’t terribly excited about Rick Perry as President does not also mean that they would prefer President Obama in a 2nd term over Rick Perry.

    Herman Cain isn’t a “politician” and for insider pols and political junkies he is bound to make gaffes – if you can call them that – like this from time to time. Outside the pol sounding boards it will not matter one bit. In flyover country where the voting actually happens, it will matter far less than whose IDEAS and PLANS people prefer. Cain doesn’t particularly like Perry. He doesn’t have to, he’s running for the same office and frankly he prefers himself and ranks others ahead of Perry.

    Conflating what Herman Cain said with him preferring Obama as President over Perry is pure intellectual dishonesty. Lambasting “Herman Cain fans” for hidden meanings, then going off to do the above is really inane and childish.

    Frankly I don’t like how Herman Cain worded it, he should have clarified that “our whole goal is to get Obama a pink slip” or some such, but voting him off the island for using those words is silly and foolish.

    This is like reading the minutes from stereotypical sorority meeting in college. Or like, something.

    • Aaron Gardner

      That is a basic fact.

      • jerry39

        He’s getting some slack for sure because of his non-political roots, but that only goes so far. He’s also getting some slack because right now it seems to be a competition for who can say the most idiotic comment.

        I would also add that a cynical person would say this is very well calculated. Romney is not his competition at the moment, Perry stands in his way to becoming the anti-Romney candidate, he can work on Romney later.

        But its poorly calculated if that is the case. Cain’s best shot is to remain honest pure. These dishonest attacks on the other take him down a notch in my mind every time.

        • avagreen

          …….waaaayyy down. To the bottom of the barrel and into the ground about 20 ft..

          He is much more dishonest that I first orginally thought. ‘course, he wasn’t in the public with so much scrutinizing his opinions (mixed as they are) before now.
          I’m as disgusted with him at this point as I am with Romney. They are two of a kind.
          Neither are conservatives, and neither can decide which way to wiggle each time they re pressed for an answer.

      • Tbone

        He has zero chance of winning.

    • streiff

      You guys are the ones refusing to listen to him.

      Last week you guys were claiming that “Today” meant only that specific day because Herman talks in, you know, parables.

      Today he says again that he won’t support Rick Perry “100%” but will support Jon Huntsman “100%” and I’m wrong again. Because parables and water into wine.

      The guy isn’t a serious candidate. You’ll see that when his personal life becomes public in the next couple of weeks. And, when he endorses Romney and lets Romney retire his campaign debt.

      • trur

        from day one?

        I don’t expect politicians to be entirely honest but Romney breaks the mold of dishonesty.

        • porkandcheese

          He has been Cain’s boss for many years. Now Cain is trying to make some money selling his book — money he can keep after his campaign is over.

          • trur

            already as you say? Or is there a future deal in the offing?

            Not a conspiracy theory? I don’t know what Cain is up to, JUST ASKING!

      • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

        what don’t we know about his personal background…and where can we read about it?

        **************************

  • Common_Cents

    It’s whether America wants to be told what they want to hear while being bent over, or can we “handle the truth” of some straight talk.

    I’d think after Milli Vanilla lip sync Obama we’d snap back to integrity.

    Cain is going to gaffe much more than other candidates.

    If he were the nominee, he would definitely be open season by the media on playing who’s smarter than a 5th grader.

    My gut says he’ll prob get more scrutiny now he is in the top 4 and will probably fall back Perry style after some scrutiny. I see Gingrich making a steady move forward if he has enough money to continue.

    And the title of this blog is deceiving. Please quote where Cain has stated that he would prefer Obama over Perry.

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      when Cain does a 180-degree switch on auditing the fed, does this qualify as a flip-flop?

      http://www.dailypaul.com/153575/herman-cain-2012-hopeful-theres-no-reason-to-audit-the-federal-reserve

      http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9207-herman-cain-denies-federal-reserve-flip-flop-economic-cluelessness

  • traversecityconservative

    I’m about done with this pro-Perry web site. I think it should be renamed PerryState. I wouldn’t “support” Perry either. I wouldn’t send him any money and I wouldn’t campaign for him. Would I vote for him? Yes. Herman Cain’s NOT a sell out, so no, he’s not going to support him 100%. A lot of us won’t.

    • gekster

      why don’t you post what you like about Cain.
      Others have.

      • Common_Cents

        this is getting ridiculous people. Let’s not let the lame stream media try and set various candidates against each other.

        • gekster

          I suggested he write what he likes about Cain, in leu of comments about Perry.
          I would dare a guess that he sees Perry supporters under every rock.
          There are alot of Perry supporter, but Cain and Romney, heck all the candidates have supporters here.
          It’s just a matter of what they want to post about.
          Whining about one candidate, or the alternative, posting what they think is positive obout thiers.
          Choices, ya know.

          • Common_Cents

            I don’t see a substantive focus on the benefits of Perry.

            I’d love to vote for Perry. But have not made my mind up on any candidate. I just want consistency in judging all candidates. I see double standards growing here at RS.

            Frankly, unless someone is working for a certain campaign, why would anyone make up their mind so early in the primary at all?

          • Tbone

            is not “whining”. It’s just stating fact.

            Anyone who has made the comments that Cain has made must be considered a fool or dishonest. What’s your pick?

          • gekster

            isn’t it all about hashing out all things of all candidates now, say instead of January.
            If one candidate has more positives than another, so be it.
            But if all you post about is bad this guy and bad that guy, t
            hen how do we find out about good my guy.
            And my comment was to the poster, not the author of the article.
            And ther have been bad Perry, bad Michelle, bad Romney, and bad Herman, and bad Gingrich, etc. enough for all.

        • streiff

          setting candidates against each other. The problem is with a man vying for the GOP nomination who has stated he will no support one of the top three contenders.

          Rather than engage in a principled discussion of any subject, Cain has simply said he won’t support Perry over how the State of Texax, via its legislature, decided to manage tuition fees.

    • powertothepeople

      na na na na hey hey bye bye.

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      …unless you can justify your arguments.

  • harpsichord

    Today, I could not support Rick Perry as the nominee for a host of reasons?

    He’s talking about the Republican nomination.

    • tyman

      as the way the question was asked by Wolf Blitzed…I’ve watched this over and over and have commented several times on this. I just can’t let it slide.

      Wolf’s question was whether or not Herb would support Gov. Perry were he to become the nominee. In other words, the support is after the primaries, after the convention and the Republican nominee is selected before the general election.

      Go back and watch the video.

      Cain understood the question because he said that he couldn’t support Gov. Perry as the nominee (that’s different than supporting Gov. Perry FOR the nomination).

      So, that being said, in a two man race between Perry and Obama, Herbcain is really saying he could not support Perry against the Marxist-in-Chief. Sorry, but there’s no other way to look at it.

      The “today” preface doesn’t even have relevance.

      Then, Cain said he would support the others 100%, but not Perry? Okay, so how much would he support Perry against Obama?

      There isn’t a policy that Obama has that is better than Perry, especially immigration.

      I guess Herb is fooling some people, but his view through the Romney colored glasses is only going to hurt himself.

  • conservativemusician

    But he will get 100% of my support if he is the nominee (even though I don’t believe he is going to be the one standing at the end). This is what the grownups in the conservative base do when the dust eventually settles. Cain would do well to learn this lesson fast.

    He also better learn to stop shooting off his mouth and sticking his foot in it so much. It may be endearing and “refreshing” for a time, but as Rush has reminded us many times over the years, words also mean things and this statement was a serious gaffe among several in recent weeks. It showed a lack of class and judgement for Cain to say he wouldn’t support Perry for the nomination. Perry has faults like all the other candidates for sure, but I don’t believe he would have disrespected Cain in the same way were he asked the same question about supporting the eventual nominee if it wasn’t himself.

    Good post streiff.

  • unclefred

    Your title is not what he said, nor does it reflect what he did say. I would like to think that you are better than this.

    • powertothepeople

      nt

      • avagreen

        read the article. It worked. :)

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      … to what do you refer?

  • trur

    1. Cain said that he would pick Romney as his VP and support Romney if Romney is the nominee.

    2. Cain like Romney supported TARP.

    3. Cain supports a New Federal Tax on Americans with his 999 (National Sales Tax) plan. Everyone knows that Politicians never create a new Tax that they don?t increase. 999 will soon be 29-29-29.

    4. Cain supports Affirmative Action and like Obams has benefited in his career in government and business as a result of Affirmative Action.

    5. Cain had Stage 4 Colon Cancer. If Romney is his VP then Romney will be President if Cain gets ill again.

    • avagreen

      but, I don’t think he’s going to get that far.

      I think he’s pretty well cooked his own goose, but FOX needs to get the word. Surprised to hear Dobbs quote him tonight. *shudder*

      • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

        …but it allows the following concept to control the agenda:

        res ipsa loquitur.

        • avagreen

          why has Fox not focused on Cain’s flip-flops and lack of understanding of issues which he’s demonstrated over and over as illustrated on this thread.

          That’s res ipsa loquitur, as well. ;)

  • tea4me

    I still love Michele Bachman. And I still support her. She did a fantastic job on Fox News tonight.

    But i’ve finally turned the corner. I know now what I must do. I’m heading home to Newt Gingrich. He’s been pulling me back to him throughout the debates. But he sealed the deal with me tonight on Hannity. I always could…listen to that guy forever.

    He’s got my vote…and there’s no turning back. Just got my wallet out for him for the first time.,..

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      Michele was lucid, but elusive [recalling avoided-reference to Romney], although she was even more incisive during the 15-minutes after 7 p.m..

      She has too many problematic quotes out-there, however, and no substantive achievements.

      Regarding The Newt, as noted supra:

      The Newt is such an elitist!

      I detest stridency when it straddles the issues over time.

      Witness his opposition to everything BHO did on Libya, even as it evolved, as voiced on FNC during the past 1/2 year.

      Read his books and note the lack of a distilled specific plan after having pontificated.

      Note his new contract?

      http://www.newt.org/contract/legislative-proposals
      http://www.newt.org/contract/first-day

      ?and decide for yourself if he has promoted himself more than remedies.

  • tea4me

    …contract with America. From the ORIGINAL! Is up and available on Newt’s website. And he covers everything I want to see happen. And no one!…says it better.

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      if you can find something I missed, please so-inform:

      The Newt is such an elitist!

      I detest stridency when it straddles the issues over time.

      Witness his opposition to everything BHO did on Libya, even as it evolved, as voiced on FNC during the past 1/2 year.

      Read his books and note the lack of a distilled specific plan after having pontificated.

      Note his new contract?

      http://www.newt.org/contract/legislative-proposals
      http://www.newt.org/contract/first-day

      ?and decide for yourself if he has promoted himself more than remedies.

      • tea4me

        That I have to explain my decision or inform you of anything? I’ve already decided for myself. And i’ve already sent him the check.

        Talk about elitism! You’re nobody. Yet you feel I have to explain myself to you? That I have to justify my decision?

        Like I said above. After listening to all the candidates…i’m convinced, Newt is my candidate. He represents what I want. He’s getting my vote. You can agree with me or not. It matters not. This isn’t open to debate. . I’ve made my decision

  • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

    The Romney campaign slogan: Vote Romney – He will destroy the Republic slower than Obama.

    • http://www.usdebateboard.com usdebateboard

      Let’s do it now, while we can.

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      …when he has noted [in an aside] the benefit of BHO’s victory over McCain.

  • redmymind

    It’s really amazing how puffed up amateurs can get when they really start believing that they’ve got what it takes to be the next U.S. President.

    Whether a product of his delusions or exceeding arrogance, Mr. Cain’s extra-cheesy endorsement would actually serve as an unwanted liability for Governor Perry.

    • Doc Holliday

      while you fanboys slaughter Cain and Perry in tandem, the MSM and left are busy destroying both of them.

      Jesse Jackson Jr. actually tried to censure Perry today

      The punk of all punks Lawrence O’donnell lectured Cain on how to be black in in the segregationist South.

      I will try to say no more about this, but it is funny how easily we are played. We try to ruin who we think stands in our man’s way, but the enemy works on destroying them all. Whoever actually gets the nod, will see the hammer fall.

      • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

        …which is why Cain has provided such a disservice to the GOP during the past fortnight.

        • Doc Holliday

          but the left will do ANYTHING to undermine ANY of our candidates. They don’t care about people, they don’t care about race, they want to destroy EVERY Republican candidate, that is all they do, all they live for.

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cain-im-not-playing-the-race-card/2011/10/03/gIQANTFYIL_video.html

          • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

            …and the WaPo’s photo-gallery is of-interest:

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rick-perry-from-paint-creek-to-the-governors-mansion/2011/10/01/gIQAaXY4DL_gallery.html#photo=12

          • Doc Holliday

            what a bunch is BS’ing liars they are. Sure, their writers are too dumb and historically illiterate to know history, but maybe they should check out Washington DC, a city that was until recently part of the South and had its share of segregation. Hell, the city is still segregated, unlike the vast majority of the South.

            It is not worth challenging these people, they are slightly more educated people speaking to idiots. And I am talking about their wealthy white collar base. Very few were required to learn history, and the libs that did don’t care about the lies. Sure, trash Paint Creek, I am sure it was much worse for blacks than Anacostia and SouthEast DC.

  • kywrite

    no matter which side of the fence it comes from. There’s a lot of spin out there, including in this article.

    End result? Today I’m joining Cain’s Friday club: $5 dollar donation every Friday. I have yet to find a position he holds that I disagree with wholeheartedly. He is the only active candidate I feel that way about.

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      …because you are one of the few bloggers still supporting Cain, please review my myriad comments and conjure a rejoinder; Cain has hurt himself unnecessarily, and seemingly has disqualified himself from earning the nod.

      • Doc Holliday

        look I like Perry as much as the next guy, but I am still trying to figure out if English is his first language. I don’t think a guy who makes GWB look like William F. Buckley is the call at this point. Let’s admit they all have faults and hope they all do better. We are going to have to coalesce around one of these guys, maybe it is a mistake to claim people are politically finished, when they are not.

        • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

          cain’s rejection of perry is a self-disqualifier, during these difficult days.

          • Doc Holliday

            but I am not in the business of playing gotcha with are final few nominees to end a regime in the business of destroying America. I am not all in for anyone, but I want Obama out, full stop.

          • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

            …and his argumentative style [just heard more audio on MSNBC regarding his draft-lottery status] is getting old.

          • Doc Holliday

            hmm, what would Kreskin pull from this? can someone say “troll”?

            my advice, stop, right now. back away from the computer, shut it off for a while. not an order, just some friendly advice.

          • Doc Holliday

            I gagged and watched the Odonnell interview with Cain. It was a disgrace to any black man, it was a disgrace to any proud American. let me be clear here, I have no power to call anyone a troll, and I do not want it. I want to amicably discuss and debate with fellow conservatives, but you keep responding to me. I responded to you, and don’t regret a line. I have one power, and I will invoke it right now.

            I call, HINZ RULE

            we shall speak no more, my request is that others make the same choice I have. In memory of David Hinz, RIP.

          • Scope

            latest poll from PEW? Romney-22, Perry-17,Cain-13. I’m sure one cannot determine much from one poll, but this poll was done after the Cain gaffes. We will see what the numbers look like with the next few polls, but this may indicate a slide back downward for him.

          • Jim Tomasik

            Look close.

          • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

            http://people-press.org/2011/10/06/obama-motivates-supporters-opponents-in-early-2012-matchups/1/

            “Among the most attentive Republican voters ? those who have given ?a lot of thought? to the election ? the current race is virtually a dead heat between Romney (23%), Perry (19%) and Cain (20%).”

          • Jim Tomasik

            Cain is climbing
            Romney has slipped
            Perry has lost a full third of his support.

          • Scope

            that the majority of people look at all of the internals of polls. They look at what is printed in that right hand column on RCP and accept the numbers they see without looking further. Some listen to some news host or commentator repeating the poll numbers, and don’t ever bother to see what voting block is saying what. What exactly would describe “those that have given a lot of thought to the election” mean? Would it be people like many of us here that read every article and research all of their records? Would it be those that watch an evening news channel every night and make their choice based on what some news host is saying? Would it be people who have had some discussions with friends, family and neighbors? How is the parameter of those that have given a lot of thought defined?

            As I said, I will wait for the next series of poll releases to see if there is a start to a decline in Cain’s numbers. I’m not basing it on one poll. I truly do believe that there will be especially because of the Perry rock issue, and the I won’t be Perry’s VP, or I can’t support him if he is the nominee. One of the things that many really liked about Cain was the fact that he was staying above the bash the other candidates fray. Now he is focusing his less than sunny opinions on only one candidate in particular, and that is not going over really well, even with many that don’t support Perry.

          • trur

            I watched the O’Donnell interview and I was shocked to hear that Cain like Romney dodged the Vietnam War.

            It was also disturbing that while other young men were serving their Country, Cain was in an Affirmative Action Graduate School Program paid for by the Department of the Navy. No doubt fhe Family Friend, the CEO of Coca-Cola, pulled strings for him to dodge the Draft.

          • Doc Holliday

            btw you lied about coca cola, you have no clue at all. again, where are the mods? I would defend Perry the same way, I am no fanboy

          • Aaron Gardner

            Thanks for the help though.

          • Doc Holliday

            If so, let me be the first to congratulate you, well done sir.

          • Aaron Gardner

            When I see bad behavior, or notice a style reminiscent of a previously banned troll, I raise a flag and they swoop into action as appropriate.

          • Doc Holliday

            that is the difference between you and I and many others. I have been here six years, I have even been banned. But I do not communicate with them, I say it all on the web, so all can see what I am saying. To each his own.

          • streiff

            all the mods have day jobs. We may not see your message in comments if there is a lot of activity going on.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Because you’re leaving, right? I seem to remember a big production about that.

          • Doc Holliday

            I said I dropped it with you and I meant it. I have nothing to say to you. BTW, I left for a month, let’s see if you can do that.

          • Doc Holliday

            whatever

          • Aaron Gardner

            You wouldn’t understand.

          • Doc Holliday

            you and Neil, should get another act. I am here to contribute and talk with people who are interesting, you two are not.

          • Aaron Gardner

            Have a great day.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            Snitches get Stitches

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

            …

          • Doc Holliday

            you know what, it is impossible to call a truce with you, nothing I say will change who you are. Ban me or leave me alone, to me you are as worthless as tits on a bull.

          • streiff

            it would keep the rest of us from developing migraines.

          • Jim Tomasik

          • Doc Holliday

            I really don’t want to have these fights over and over. I will pledge right now to simply not respond to Neilaaron again. If I do so, I will be in the wrong or have reached my limit, either way, I will leave and be done with it. bored to hell and missing some great people, but done with it. is that fair?

          • Doc Holliday

            I actually tried. I will try again, why not?

          • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

            Perhaps you should just not make eye contact and move along.

          • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

             

          • Doc Holliday

            and not listen to lackeys who bothers you with constant complaints. Perhaps you should read the comments I have posted today and previous days and see if they were combative, uninformative, or otherwise.

            You know, there was a time we emailed, you had no problems with me. Now a certain person tells you you do, and you all of a sudden do. Hmm, I wonder if you actually read the threads, I wonder if you noticed when I was called racist, anti-Christian, libertine, etc. I wonder if you noticed when I told Leon I would say nothing else about Neil. I stood by that, I came here to discuss conservative politics.

            I have nothing against you Erick, I know you are busy and successful. But if you listen to people with forked tongues, you won’t get the facts. I just say, read the actual thread, If i am wrong, I will leave, no harm, not foul, no complaints.

          • Doc Holliday

            i am not criticizing. The troll was wrong and is gone, good riddance.

          • Doc Holliday

            .

          • acat

            mods were a protected class.

            Mew

          • Doc Holliday

            I have no beef with them, we are all good. I do want that stick though, no plaudits, just the stick. heh

          • acat

            I forgot the (/sarc) tag at the end.

            Mods aren’t a “protected” class, they’re the “protecting” class.

            ’twas meant as snark.

            Mew

          • Doc Holliday

            I said lot but deleted it, you know where I stand on things, and certain people.

          • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

            [i can't figure-out the agendae of the bloggers]

          • Doc Holliday

            no agenda. I still think you are too hard on Cain, but I said my piece on that.

          • westcoastpatriette

            .

          • westcoastpatriette

            It’s a male bonding thing..(just kidding)

      • Jim Tomasik

        All I see are a lot of Perry apologists looking for every opportunity to tear down Cain because their guy can’t seem to get his act together.

        Redstate is looking more and more like PerryState all the time.

        Perry provided the worst showing in a debate I have ever seen in my life in Florida. Right about now, Perry simply looks like an idiot who believed his own hype and is simply not ready for prime time. If he does not improve his skills in the debate crowd, he needs to get the hell off the stage.

        • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

          …and then reassess your guy, relative to perry.

  • swamphermit

    …but Perry is looking even dumber. Hard to believe anyone can be dumber than the affirmative action Obama. Hillary mopped the floor in the debates with Obama; however, with Perry, I suspect Obama has finally found someone he could use to mop a debate floor with.

    Cain can destroy them all in a debate, and that has become obvious. Imagine Cain using the Bully Pulpit to push his policies…he may be even better than Reagan at using the Bully Pulpit. Perry? I don’t think so.

    I won’t vote for another McCain, which means I won’t vote for Romney. Perry is looking like a total loser, though I may give him a little more time. I moved from Sarah to Cain a few weeks ago and will support him all the way.

    Cain is electable … Perry appears unelectable.

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      …are not warranted; remember, a POTUS must have leadership experience and impeccable principles.

    • Doc Holliday

      more bs, more dividing trash. I guess it will never end. You Cain and Perry fanatics would rather die on the sword that see what happens and hope we get the best to defeat Obama. BTW, I have my eye on you swamp, I don’t buy what you are selling.

      • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

        first, he’s better than everyone else
        second, everyone else is worse than he is

        • Doc Holliday

          are you his speech writer?

          • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

            …everything I type is in the public domain!

    • notpropagandized

      But now Cain says he wants to be Romney’s VP. That is an endorsement of Romney. He does not want to be Perry’s VP and Perry is one of the anti-Romney candidates. So it seems that if you really don’t want to vote for Romney or Perry, you should consider another anti-Romney candidate. I was for HermanCain for a year until yesterday when he announced that he is a pro-Romney candidate. To be sure, if nominated Romney, Cain get the vote in the general. I’m looking at Newt now despite dismissing him from the outset. Romney can save us from Obama, but Mr. Chameleon could drive us almost as crazy as JohnMcCain in the process.

      • ihateliberals

        Whenyou consider that Romney built the foundation of Obamacare and almost bankrupted Mass why is everyone so goo-goo-eyes for Romney? As I have told many on Red State I am a Mormon and I cannot bring myself to vote for Romney. If it comes down to that I might as well stay home because no matter who I vote for i lose. Might as well save the gas so I can at least drive to the unemployment Office. What people are failing to look at with Romney, Cain or Perry is that if for some far out chance the Democrats dump Obama we will lose the Election hands down. If that happens we won’t be able to hold onto the independents votes to save us Plus with the continued attacks on conservatives from the Republican Party there maybe not chance anyway.

      • trur

        to Newt, Perry and Bachmann. Heck, I’d vote for Huntsman before I would vote for Mitt Cain.

        • trur

          to see Cain below Paul in all the major polls by this time next week at the rate he is going.

  • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

    A subtle theme in many of these posts is that conservatives are responsible for McCain losing to Obama in 2008. Nothing can be further from the truth.

    First, McCain ran a very poor campaign and refused to really attack Obama on the issues. McCain lost because of McCain.

    Second, McCain went so far as to attack many of his own conservative supporters and decided to lecture us on his road to failure. You cannot help someone who rejects your attempts to help.

    Third, McCain actually got more support than he deserved from conservatives that he had continually betrayed over the years.

    • ihateliberals

      For some reason Ihave yet to figure is the Republican Party wanted to be more like the Democrats. Starting with GHW Bush who hated Reagan and did not agree with Supply side economics even after he saw them work. he began the move of the Party towards center. Then his son came along nd moved it even more center with the Help of that giantic loser Michael Steele, Karl Rove and a host of other Party RINO’s. Steele almost bankrupted the RNC because of his attacks on Conservative not realizing or caring that conservatives were the biggest contributors. The new Chairman of the RNC is a no body and I forget his name on a regular basis. I will not give my money to hte RNC again and only contribute directly to the candidates. The Republican Party still does not admit that it ws the conservatism of the Tea Party that put them in power in the 2010 elections. Karl Rove still attacks the Tea Party. Because of Rove we still have to contend with Harry Reid and we lost several seats in the House and the Senate tht could have been Republican.

      I have been a Conservative since I was around 15 years old. I have never voted for a Democrat and I never will. WE need a conservative revolution again like we had n 2010 but the Tea Party seems to have fissiled. Between the media attacks, Karl Rove, John Boehner and the entire Democratic Party the Tea Party doesn’t have a chance unless people once again stand up and be counted. What I am afraid of now is the we are going right downthe same losing road we did with McCain. Perry, Romney are the absolute worse candidates we could choose. If for some reason the Democrats decide to dump Obama we won’t have a chance to beat the Democrats. Maybe not even hold onto the House.

    • trur

      worked hard for McCain/Palin but McCain sabotaged our efforts by attacking us and defending BO. I’ll never forget when McCain attacked that woman supporter at his rally in Minneapolis and defended BO.

      • Jim Tomasik

        ,.

        • rightwingmom52

          You’d think they’d at least try a little harder. Think it’s the same ops outfit?

          • Jim Tomasik

            Now he/she/it is pulling days.

          • acat

            I’ve been accused of it often enough apparently I have a talent, I may as well get paid… got bills!

            Mew

          • Doc Holliday

            but they need more banners, I think I have earned it. I would be nicer than they think. Ok, you would be even nicer than me, but I am not comparing myself to you ‘cat!

          • gekster

            I see that is not the case.
            I recently employed some trolls for those occasions, and was going to use them here.

            Oh, what the heck.
            They wanted to perform anyway.

          • rightwingmom52

            Apparently trolls have to work much harder than cats according to their self-proclaimed efforts on behalf of McCain/Palin. They’ve worked their butts off, don’t you know.

          • acat

            Requisite skills and ratio of value for time expended are the key factors.

            Or, if you prefer, I have the skills to perform a variety of jobs.

            The majority of these jobs, from burger flipper to truck driver, do not pay enough per hour of time spent to be a worthwhile exchange for me.

            There are several jobs that, had I managed to scrimp and save a bit more when I was a younger kitty, I’d be looking for my “act two” now that I just can’t afford to do. Yet. A solid GOP/Conservative victory in 2012 and I’ll be a lot closer….

            Mew

          • rightwingmom52

            I agree that your skill set is way beyond being a troll, i.e., being stupid. OTOH, I it really wouldn’t require much time or effort on your part to meet the standards set by those we’ve seen recently, including the one above and the one recently departed, would it? LOL!

          • acat

            hack together a “troll” that would do a good emulation of a candi-bot just using an ELIZA program and some http-perl modules…

            What I want to know is how to do this and get *paid*. Cat is a capitalist, y’see.

            A simple, online ELIZA

            Mew

  • eldstenorge

    I personally like neither of the candidates, however, I understand what Herman Cain is feeling here. Hunting at “[N****rland - Edit by Neil]” for years and years, bringing your friends there, etc., shows absolutely no respect, even for oneself. It is unchristian. What Cain said was true. It just seems that he has problems with everyone though, with Muslims, many of whom do not support the radicalism of Al Qaeda, with Mormons, who he says southerners will not vote for. The hate has to stop. And, you are right to ask, if he cannot support Rick Perry, how can he say he will support all the others 100%, when Jon Huntsman, who should be Obama’s running mate, Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are in the picture? Unbelievable.

    • Scope

      only the liberal version of the Perry leased hunting camp, or the Cain spin on it, you need to go back and look for the true details of the story. When Perry’s father “leased” the camp back in the 80′s, as soon as they saw the name on the rock, they painted over it, and turned it over. It was a 3ft by 5ft rock, I’m sure they didn’t just pick it up and turn it over. Keyword here- “leased.” It was not their property to do anything with, and they did not put the name on the rock to begin with, but the father did remove the offensive word as soon as it was discovered. BTW, it was N—–head, not N—–land. N—–head is also a part of a fishing vessel, and has been for years. There are many other definitions of the word as well.

      If you can fault Perry in any way for the rock incident, you are refusing to look at the facts and the details, and are simply just buying into a false and nasty smear campaign against Perry. It is unchristian to falsely accuse someone of something they did not do.

      • tyman

        nt

      • defenseconservative

        Obama would be preferrable to Perry. IMHO, he would be far preferrable.

        If Perry is the GOP nominee, Republicans should forfeit this election to Obama and instead work hard to get as many Republican Congressmen, Senators, State Legislators, and Governors elected as possible. If we manage to grow our majority in the House and get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, we will be able to completely stop Obama. We will even be able to stop his judicial nominees. Obama may then still be President on paper, but he will be an impotent figurehead whose task will be to entertain foreign ambassadors.

        Why do I say this?

        Because I’m a conservative.

        I believe that if Perry is the nominee, Obama will handily defeat him (as polls prove); but if Perry were, by some tragic accident, to be elected President, it would mean the end of the GOP and, as a consequence, of America itself. That’s because this despicable RINO would utterly discredit the GOP with his crony capitalist policies (he’s embroiled in worse scandals than Obama), amnesty for illegal aliens, bumbling idiotisms on foreign policy, religiously fanatical social policies, and other Big Government Policies. Remember that during his first 8 years as Governor of Texas, the annual budget of the Texas state government grew by 55%!

        Americans are a forgiving people, but three RINO Presidents in a row (Geo. H. W. Bush, Dubya, and Perry) is something that they will not forgive the GOP. Perry will utterly discredit the GOP, making it unable to win any future presidential or congressional elections, and leading to a split of the Party. Thus, he will hand over the entire federal government to the Democrats in 2016 or 2020. After the GOP implodes, it will take decades for a new right-wing party to establish itself as a party competitive with the Democratic Party.

        Unopposed, the Democrats will turn this country into the United Socialist States of America. There will be no GOP (or at least, no credible GOP) to stop them. and no 2010-style miraculous comeback. Then, our GRANDCHILDREN will be lucky to see a free America before they die.

        I will not allow this to happen, at ANY costs. I will not allow Rick Perry to be elected President, under ANY circumstances. If that means that I will vote for a third party, so be it.

        • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

          undocumented defenses

        • txpat

          Vote for BO because voting third party is the same as voting for Bo.
          I don’t like Romney, but if it comes down to it I will vote for him holding my nose.
          Anyone but Obama.
          This country can’t afford him for 4 more years.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      .

  • Lesstressrx

    How does that sound???? Makes me sick at my stomach. That is what is going to happen if the fiscally constitutional conservative don’t wake up.
    Looks like the real conservatives are blowing up. Cain is working for a position with Romney as VP. No one is more disappointed than me.
    I was a huge Cain supporter from the very beginning. But after hearing him praise Romney over and over I have lost any hope that he is who I thought he was. A smooth talker that?s for sure. Had me fooled.
    Romney must be stopped. I said last week that Cain was big time for Romney. Now he has finally admitted where he stands.
    I continue to say the left, the main stream media, the established RINO republicans don?t want Rick Perry. Wonder why?
    Could it be that he has more than once said big government must go. We need LIMITED government. Rove, the Bushes, the
    people that have been there forever all want Perry gone. He may not be the best debater and he may not be as smooth as Romney or Obama, but aren?t we tired of smooth yet? Yes Obama is a great orator and so is Romney. Wow that should impress you.
    The field is what it is and if we don?t start fighting for someone that really wants limited government, we will have ROMNEY. I will vote for him because we must get rid of Obama, but it will be just like holding my nose and voting for McCain and his time we won?t have Palin.
    Is that what you want? Better think about that.

    • richlong8

      Cain’s comments are disappointing. First, his playing the race card concerning a rock in Texas. Now, it turns out he is allied with Romney. It is enough to make you sick. People wonder why people are ready for a third party. I hope things are not setting up like 2008- when the fix was in, and McCain was made the nominee and rolled over for Obama. Beginning to look like it. There is a reason why the media and WH say they most fear Romney. Because they know Obama will win if the phoney conservative Romney is the nominee.

  • http://www.redstate.com/thesophist TheSophist

    “He didn’t say that, but that’s what it boils down to” is… weak tea at best.

    But let’s admit Cain’s mistakes and gaffes.

    So where this boils down to then is, Romney has issues with principles and actual programs (Romneycare), Perry has issues with actual programs (illegal immigrant tuition thing, which I defended, but let’s admit it hurts him) and gaffes (“heartless”), and Cain has issues with gaffes.

    I guess I’ll stay with Cain for now.

    I’m well aware of the man’s flaws, but if the worst that can be said about him is that he’s an amateur and that his campaign staff sucks… I can live with that.

    How about we wait and see if there are actual differences in policy between the three front runners on things that matter over the next couple of weeks before coming to Final Judgments?

    • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

      as detailed in multiple posts, supra

      • http://www.redstate.com/thesophist TheSophist

        Because I’m not interested in picking at the details, slips of the tongue, and the like. I’m looking to be evenhanded and really try to understand how each of these men would govern as the President.

        I’m for Cain, but I’m not blindly in the tank for the guy.

        How openminded are you about the candidates? And so early?

  • riverking

    This article and many of the comments on it make me think that RedState is becoming the home site of gullible Brooklyn Bridge buyers. I am referring particularly to the story and comments concerning Herman Cain’s response to questions about the infamous West Texas rock. I fully expect a blogger or commenter to breathlessly report that Herman Cain demands that Rick Perry personally paint “Mea Culpa” on every rock between Austin and El Paso just to make sure he gets the right rock.

    When asked about it, Herman Cain did not criticize Rick Perry or anyone else; he merely stated that use of the n-word is very insensitive. Chris Wallace asked him about it the next day and he expanded that comment but said essentially the same thing, again without criticizing Perry. Chris Wallace quickly moved on but some so called journalist(s) had to put words in Cain’s mouth.

    You can go on believing everything you read if you want but don’t be surprised when you have egg on your face from paraphrasing what a pseudo-journalist paraphrased from the original statement(s). In this day of everything being recorded electronically and made available on the web, you ought to go to the original source (www.foxnews,com in this case).

  • carolynr

    I’m done…won’t vote for him in the primaries. If we get Romney as a nominee…I will stay home…I did it with McCain…I won’t do it again. Cain is getting cocky and his 9/9/9 plan has holes in it.

    Cain lacks the experience and judgment to be president. When he would prefer Obama over Perry…then…I don’t want to be anywhere near him.

  • danielbdp

    “Cain lacks the experience and judgment to be president. When he would prefer Obama over Perry?”

    Did Cain ever say that? Please re-read the HH interview transcript.

    Cain, like other favorite Conservative firebrands Bachmann and Perry, is way too opinionated for his own good, but that’s what we like about them vs. Romney. When push comes to shove, I’ve no doubts Cain will endorse Perry (even if “not 100%” like he said; it’ll be 99.99% against Obama!)

    Like Perry and Bachmann before, Cain is already being subjected to withering attacks fro the Left media (e.g., why he didn’t march with MLK?!?). If we attack Cain (or Perry or Bachmann for that matter), WE are helping Romney win!

    I don’t believe Cain is aiming for VP under Romney; he’s denied that both in the HH interview and in his book.

    Give Cain one month to clean up his act & think before the words escape his big mouth, or sink on his own. Let’s not tear down ANY Conservative in this blog!

    • powertothepeople

      I really mean it. Thanks for the lecture on how to conduct business here at the site. Any other words of “wisdom” for us?

      Can not wait for your next “lesson’ on how to act.

    • williamjameson

      tore Obama and Hillary apart before caving in for the Incompetent One. In the end most will vote for whom ever wins to gop ticket. I don’t take it personally when people tear down candidates because campaign teams do far worse than anyone online could. Party supporters generate a lot of false information just to try and confuse voters with crap from the Propaganda Mills. Yes Prop Mills exist, hundred of peeps writing lies trying to push it on the media. The right has a better network of intellectuals who decipher the crap from real issues.

  • williamjameson

    Don’t even pretend Romney isn’t a weak RINO SELLOUT whom democrats shall dominate and bully into spending this country further towards insolvency. His MA record is proof, even RomneyCare or ObamneyCare proves the man can’t make sound judgements when it came to budgeting the state healthcare bill. Even worse half the cost was passed on to federal taxpayers.

    Those who never criticized Bush’s spending till late in the second term are the complacent ones who are also defending the next RINO Potus.

    Herman Cain is a conservative, Romney is playing a conservative on TV……….like a character on DC’s Guiding Light. Soap doesn’t sell in the heartland of America where we’re tired of weak candidates who have a proven track record of weakness and failed policies = Mitten whose Smitten to spend and fall prey to DEMS

    “Denial is your coping mechanism” – William Jameson

    • ihavehadit

      Herman Cain is an opportunist. He tried to get Tiger Woods to run for president in the Republican primary. He knew Tiger Woods was an Obama supporter but still tried to get him to run. Cain knew the Republican tea party voters were looking for anyone to go against Obama and not paint them as a racist so along comes Tiger Woods to make them feel good about themselves. Playing right into the hands of people like Herman Cain. When he ran for senator in Nebraska he admitted he didn’t like embracing all the conservative platforms and ideas but it was the only way to get elected in the Republican primary. Thank goodness the people in Nebraska were smarter than some out here because he was defeated. He was also defeated in Georgia when he ran for the senate against a good conservative. This man is a carpetbagger. Why don’t these rabid Cain followers do their homework. Remember it was the tea party people who gave us Christine and Sharon Angle. They didn’t vet these people propertly and they are doing the same thing with Cain. With Perry you know what you are getting. They have examined him with a proctoscope. Granted some of his ideas on immigration I don’t like either, but then I don’t live in Texas. I like most of the rest and once again, you know who he is. A conservative

      • Ann_W

        He is clearly a conservative with the things he believes in, he just took kind of a knee jerk dislike to Perry, and said things to that effect. Get over it. That’s the kind of emotional response that you and almost everyone here expresses everyday.

        You are overlooking the bulk of his record to cherrypick some things you don’t like, because you want to not like him. Lots of people do that here w/ the candidates that they don’t like, but it doesn’t make it true.

      • williamjameson

        never heard the Tiger Woods story, benign at best. Look at Nebraska politics before judging Cain, different environment than Georgia.

        Cain isn’t a carpetbagger as he’s from the south not north, as for controlling I see no connections to suggest that’s carpetbagging either. All politicians are opportunists. Cain will be vetted beyond the TP.

        Just because the TP churned out a couple of bad apples like Sharon Angle is no reason to down them as they also backed Colonel Alan West and they backed Christy Noem. Plus they are cleaning out the RINO’s something the establish doesn’t want.

        I like Perry, his border plan is better than a continuous fence that illegals shall climb over or tunnel under. Too costly, put men on the border and use drones. As for illegal education, bad move by Perry but at least he owned up to it.

      • rightwingmom52

        elected the conservatives into office in 2010. While O’Donnell & Angle were not great candidates, had the GOP provided even a modicum of support, they would have had a much better shot.

        Of course, a lot of people were fooled by Woods, but Cain did not try to get Tiger Woods to run for POTUS in the GOP primary. Back in 2006, he did propose that Woods would be a good candidate in 2016

        here

        Tiger will be 40 years old in 2016. The Republican Party should begin grooming him now for a run at the White House. His personal attributes and accomplishments on the golf course point to a candidate who will be a problem solver, not a politician.

        There is no record that Cain ran for the Senate in Nebraska.

        Cain is not a carpetbagger. He grew up in Atlanta, Georgia. Although he has lived in other areas of the U.S., he was born and raised in the South.

      • quakergrey

        Herman Cain is a writer and a radio personality as well as having been in a variety of business related roles. Writers and radio personalities tell stories to make points… you know, like Jesus telling parables. Context is essential. Please, check your context.

        If we were to go back and listen to all of Cain’s broadcasts, for example, we would find humor, hyperbole, silliness, and seriousness. You would be able to pull all sorts of things out of context, too. Differentiate between different types of speech. Ask yourself when and why a thing was said. Context matters. It really, really does.

  • williamjameson

    More like taking out of context in an effort to attempt to hoodwink RS members. Cain did not say he’s supporting Obama nor anything close to that. We must fight back at the spindoctering.

    Why would Cain say he wouldn’t support Perry, to weaken him, that’s what happens when you want to displace a leader on his way down in the polls. That’s all, nothing to fear since Cain would never support Obama!

    “Now if it?s one of those other candidates up there, I am going to support them 100%. If Governor Perry gets the nomination, I will still support him, but it won?t be 100%”

    It was a clever statement!

  • ihavehadit

    How many times do I have to repeat this. Check this man’s record out. He supports affirmative action, he wants to give tax breaks and funds to empower the inner cities. How much more money do we need to pour down this rat hole before we learn that graft won’t help these cities. He is also soft on the second amendment. He wants it handled by the states. The recent Supreme Court Decision just confirmed our rights to own guns and no state or local government can tell us we can’t and Cain wants to take that away. He knows nothing about Israel he just spouts what he thinks the robots want to hear. The Rainbow Coalition supported his candidacy for senator in Georgia in 2004. Getting the picture people. He also supported Romney in 2008. Not to mention his offensive race baiting about Perry and saying he wouldn’t support Perry or would accept being his vice President as if Perry would have him.

    • rightwingmom52

      On April 28, 2011 in Rochester New Hamshire, Herman Cain spoke at a campaign event and discussed his views on the second amendment. When asked, he states that concealed carry laws should be dealt with at the state level. Video of that speech is here.

      On May 1, 2011 Herman Cain spoke at the NRA American Values Leadership Conference. He stated during the speech that the second amendment was one of the things that the founding fathers got right and that it should not be infringed upon in any way. Video that that speech is here

      As for the affirmative action claim, that’s been debunked in another redstate diary here..

  • quakergrey

    I was really disappointed in this article. In fact, there is a lot of conclusion jumping and spurious reasoning going on here in the comment section, too. Oh, and add to that assuming the worst about people. Misinformation and disinformation!

    Making assumptions and putting words into people’s mouths is such a low tactic that I would hope only the Democrat’s members would stoop to it.

    If you want to know who Cain supports and why, I suggest asking Cain. He’ll be the first to admit that he can’t always give an answer because he doesn’t have all the facts. Neither do the other guys, truth be known. In fact that is one of the things that attracts me to Cain’s campaign. You can ask him, he’ll tell you what he thinks. He’ll also tell you if he’s basing that on what he’s read, been told, etc. and if he thinks he needs more information to give the best answer. He gets chewed for that as though he were being evasive. What it is, is honest. We’ve seen so little of that we hardly recognize it anymore. How many presidents have you seen get into office and once they get the full briefing they have to do an about face… “Sorry, folks, I know I said I’d do thus and so, but that was before I learned this and that.”

    Cain believes he can’t support Perry. Fine. He’s got his reasons and you may not like ‘em or agree with ‘em but they are his reasons and he’s entitled to them. If you want to challenge his reasons, I suggest you write to his campaign and try to make a reasonable case for your disagreement – he’s looking for unbiased facts, give him some. I can’t jump on the Perry bandwagon either and probably for a whole bunch of reasons others may consider inconsequential or stupid but they make sense to me and your arguments as presented here and in the tone they were sometimes presented weren’t very persuasive. You don’t catch flies with vinegar… it’s honey you’re supposed to use.

    It’s disrespectful to be cooking up unsubstantiated theories about how he’s only running for the VP slot or some other nonsense. You can say that about anybody. There is something Cain wants to accomplish for posterity and if taking the VP slot will further his mission he will and if it won’t, he won’t. But he’s running because he believes being president WILL further his mission. What’s that mission? Read for yourself at Herman Cain’s website.

    I didn’t come here today to push my candidate’s platform. I stopped by to read solely because of that silly headline; I had expected to find that I had misunderstood it somehow, but no, it is exactly what it looks like and it looks nasty. (What do I mean by nasty? Think of the stereotype nastiness of two women at a party exchange polite but cutting remarks.)

    As usual, I’ll vote for the candidate put up against Obama because better a poor choice Republican than a Democrat; I’m sorry that has to be true, too. For the 38 years that I’ve been voting only Ronald Reagan had my full enthusiasm… I’ve done a lot of nose-holding because the party has insisted on ‘moderate’ candidates and compromise… and I’m about to go off on another tangent.

    All this pettiness and rudeness has irritated me to the point of being a scolding shrew and I hate that. I don’t care HOW badly we need to defeat Obama, the ends don’t justify the means.

  • avagreen

    1. Supports supports big-government liberal Republican Mitt Romney despite the fact that Romney’s healthcare plan is the model for Obamacare.
    Says he can support Romney because this is nunya issue …….because a “state issue”, but can’t support Perry over in-state tutition (which is also a ‘state issue’) which was passed by State Legislature. What sense is there in that?
    He supported Romney in 2008 and now.

    2. Supported TARP and chided the “free market purists”.

    3.Herman Cain doesn’t think the Federal Reserve should be audited (he’s a former Fed chair himself) of which he was a member for 5 years.

    4. In fact, he has flip-flopped on the Federal Reserve.

    5. Herman Cain doesn’t think the Federal Reserve should be audited, but yet the Fed bailed out foreign banks, including Libya (Col. Gaddafi).

    6. Herman Cain Tries to Be “Outsider” But Is Really A Political Establishment Insider and has visited/given to campaigns of many politicals over the years. He’s definitely part of the D.C. Establishment.

    7. Cain Flip Flops on Killing of Awlaki (due process for Americans)

    8. Cain flip-flopped (rather rudely on both stances) on his knee-jerk response to the bogus “rock” story about Perry.

    9. Herman Cain said that he would consider an invitation to join an eventual Republican presidential nominee as a vice presidential candidate ? unless the nominee is Rick Perry. So……who is left in the pack? Obvious.

    10. It’s obvious that Cain is the attack dog for Romney (who definitely IS NOT a conservative, either).

    11. Cain flip-flopped on the debt ceiling. One day he was against it. On the next day, he was for it.

    12. Cain said he wants to defund Planned Parenthood, Now – he refuses to sign the SBA pledge that all the other historical pro life candidates signed (Romney refused as well, but he also brought in cheap abortions to MA).

    13. Herman Cain and Tim Pawlenty have retreated on their calls to reinstate ?Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,? the Clinton-era law that bars gay and bisexual troops from serving openly.

    14.Cain opposes school vouchers for private schools, and backs efforts only to ”revisit,” not eliminate, affirmative action. He declined to give his position on abortion rights.

    CONCLUSION?
    Herman Cain doesn’t know where/what issues he believes and doesn’t actually have any poliices except the Federal Reserve (I think).
    Just a tip of this man’s inability to stand firm on any issue or know what he believes in which seems to change almost daily.
    He seems to be a Federal Reserve apologist, an establishment opportunist, and big-government RINO politician who puts bankers first and Americans last.

    Can give links if requested.

  • trur

    1. Cain said that he would pick Romney as his VP and support Romney if Romney is the nominee.

    2. Cain like Romney supported TARP.

    3. Cain supports a New Federal Tax on Americans with his 999 (National Sales Tax) plan. Everyone knows that Politicians never create a new Tax that they don?t increase. 999 will soon be 29-29-29.

    4. Cain supports Affirmative Action and like Obama has benefited in his career in government and business as a result of Affirmative Action.

    5. Cain had Stage 4 Colon Cancer. If Romney is his VP then Romney will be President if Cain gets ill again.