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Herman Cain: China Is “Trying To Develop Nuclear Capability”

will someone please send this picture to the Cain Campaign?

File this one under “Shutting the Barn Door.”

On Monday, Herman Cain gave an interview to PBS’s Judy Woodruff.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Do you view China as a potential military threat to the United States?

HERMAN CAIN: I do view China as a potential military threat to the United States.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And what could you do as president to head that off?

HERMAN CAIN: My China strategy is quite simply outgrow China. It gets back to economics. China has a $6 trillion economy and they’re growing at approximately 10 percent. We have a $14 trillion economy — much bigger — but we’re growing at an anemic 1.5, 1.6 percent. When we get our economy growing back at the rate of 5 or 6 percent that it has the ability to do, we will outgrow China.

And secondly, we already have superiority in terms of our military capability, and I plan to get away from making cutting our defense a priority and make investing in our military capability a priority, going back to my statement: peace through strength and clarity. So yes they’re a military threat. They’ve indicated that they’re trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat.

Yes, they have indicated they are trying to develop a nuclear capability. They did so rather convincingly in 1964.

One has to believe that Cain knows China joined the ranks of nuclear powers in 1964. Or one hopes so anyway. But when that comment is sandwiched with “they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have” it gives one pause as they have no carriers in commission at all the only options one is left with are that either 1) Cain is woefully uninformed about China or 2) he has a studied disregard for the English language when opining on which nations are threats to the United States.

For the record, I have no doubt that China is a long term threat to our vital interests on the Pacific Rim. It has a policy of dominating the smaller nations in that region and aggrandizing the natural resources and navigation rights of the South China Sea to itself. I encourage everyone to read this study by the Hoover Institute as a starting point.

There are a lot of subjects where candidates shooting from the lip is fine. China isn’t one of them.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    Cain is winging it as Brit Hume pointed out. This is incredible.

    Let’s face it. We have a weak field if this is what our “savior” is saying on PBS.

    Let us pray that Allen West decides to run. Dear God, please!!!

    • georgekent

      It would be great if Allen West had become a candidate; maybe, another time. Nevertheless, as a former USAF commissioned officer, those of you who believe the hype about Chicoms actually having developed nuclear capability in 1964 need to be aware of the fact that there is a whole lot more to nuclear capability than simply detonating a device. The greatest problem is delivery capability. Delivery involves distance, reliability, and accuracy which the Chicoms have been working on for a long time and only recently achieved the goal. They are still not satisfied completely and are still working on it, i.e., thier nuclear capability. Bill Clinton gave them a big boost a decade or so ago when he permitted the sale of technology associated with MRIV delivery.

      • score333

        http://www.400scalehangar.net/forums/showthread.php?t=53244

    • jackdaniels11

      Cain was just handed a nearly impossible task: explain what you said, who you said it to, why you said it, what you meant by it, and, oh, by the way, you can’t say anything because of an NDA.

      I never liked Cain as a nominee and now I have one more reason not to vote for him.

      I’ll stick with Romney. Unless Tom Coburn jumps into the race.

      • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

        FIRST, he said the same thing on FNC last night.

        SECOND, why not Perry?

    • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

      This field is a joke.

      In addition to I don’t know anything about the rest of world Cain,
      we have Bat-xxxx crazy Bachmann,
      could be cast a stereotypical blank slate politician Romney,
      boy don’t I seem just like the last president Perry,
      I don’t know anything about the rest of world Cain.

      Gates / Petraeus would be the next Eishenhower. Gates took on the DoD and cleaned house, scrapping tons of pet projects and slaying sacred goats. Imagine what he would do to the rest of the Federal government.

      • defenseconservative

        The vast majority of the weapon programs that Gates closed/cut were crucial, necessary weapon programs such as the F-22, the NGB, the MKV, the KEI, 14 additional ground based interceptors for Alaska, and others. And these programs were all closed because of BUDGETARY RESTRICTIONS imposed by Obama, not because of any military reasons. Gates acquiesesced, and slavishly obeyed, all defense cuts dictated by Obama. He has also repeatedly lied in front of the Congress under oath. He belongs in prison, not in the White House.

        Gates is one of the worst SECDEFs America has ever had (although Panetta seems to be desperately trying to outdo him on that score). For anyone to hail him, let alone to recommend him as a presidential candidate, is ridiculous and indicative of enormous ignorance. You would be well advised to shut up and not run your ignorant mouth here ever again.

        • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

          Especially the F-22.

          • DONTREADONME

            Better yet don’t. The only reasonable explanation for cutting the F22 is cost, but that doesn’t make any sense in light if the XF35. I use “reasonable explanation with great skepticism.

          • defenseconservative

            The vast majority of these programs were not redundant and had no duplicate in the defense budget, nor even anything that could act as a substitute, let alone as a replacement.

            The F-22 was the best example of this. This stealthy air superiority fighter, whose real unit cost was $150 mn (and not the $450 mn often reported by the media, which includes R&D costs), is the ONLY fighterplane that can defeat the newest Chinese and Russian designs and stay stealthy with a large ordnance in an environment monitored by radars and SAMs. It has an RCS of a metal marble. The F-35 is NOT a substitute for, let alone a replacement for, the F-22. It doesn’t have the range, payload, supercruise ability, stealthiness degree, and other characteristics of the F-22. It is much less stealthy while being as expensive as an F-22 (the Marine variant costs $150 mn per copy), the Navy’s and Air Force’s variants are only slightly less expensive. There is nothing that the F-35 can do that cannot be done in truly dangerous environments by F-22s, or in benign environments by legacy aircraft.

            In 2009, Gates, who is totally ignorant about defense issues, killed the F-22 program and bet the entire future of America’s combat aviation on a single, troubled program – the F-35. Since then, the F-35 has continued to experience massive cost overruns and huge delays, and Gates has also killed the Alternative Engine Program that would’ve reduced costs and maintained competition. The program that should’ve gotten the axe was the F-35, not the F-22. Killing the F-35 would’ve saved a lot of money to buy not just hundreds of F-22s, but also thousands of other badly needed weapons (Super Hornets, CSARHs, bombers, tankers, ships, etc.).

            Now it looks like the F-35 program will be protected again, at the expense of other, much more important, weapon programs.

            http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/02/idINIndia-60260120111102

            Thanks for proving you are totally ignorant about defense issues. You just proved my point: Gates was one of the worst, if not the single worst, defense secretaries that America has ever had.

          • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

            >Super Hornets, CSARHs, bombers, tankers, ships, etc

            I didn’t need any those when I was Iraq.

            What we could had used was MRAPs. unfortunately they were in implemented yet.

            Just what are we going to use the F-22 for?

          • defenseconservative

            “>Super Hornets, CSARHs, bombers, tankers, ships, etc

            I didn?t need any those when I was Iraq.”

            So there were no Super Hornets, CSAR helos, or Air Force bombers operating in Iraq when you were there, and in Afghanistan? And there were no US Navy ships operating in the Persian Gulf, supporting the troops on the ground?

            Wait – there were! And there still are! :)

            Not only that, they were CRUCIAL to fighting these wars – not just providing CAS to the trops on the ground, but also in the initial phases of the war, both in Afghanistan and in Iraq, where B-52s, B-2s, and B-1s ALL participated in large numbers. In fact, we wouldn’t have been able to fight in Afghanistan if the USAF’s bombers had not bombed the hell out of Afghanistan first in 2001.

            Ironically, these conventional weapons proved themselves to be very useful, and indeed crucial, for irregular wars – which they were not originally designed to fight.

            Moreover, your belief that weapons should be judged solvely through the prism of Iraq and that the US will never fight any conventional war – only wars like the Iraqi and Afghan wars – while popular during the last decade (and still popular in the Beltway to this day) is wrong. Most of America’s potential adversaries are nation states, and they are the most likely threats. The US military needs to be equipped, trained, sized, and prepared for a WIDE spectrum of threats, ranging from AQ and Hezbollah to Russia and China. Foregoing preparations for conventional wars, like Gates did, is foolish.

            “Just what are we going to use the F-22 for?”

            Fighting China and its J-20 fighterplanes – which we WILL have to do one day. It’s no longer a question of if, it’s a question of when.

          • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

            ahead of what anyone else outside of Europe has. We are already set for a conventional war.Taking tens of billions out of an economy in this shape and dumping it into new weapons that are not needed is foolish.

            I get the feeling that had Gates cut the F-35, you would be complaining about that too.

            Also I quoted the wrong the thing above, I meant to quote “F-22, the NGB, the MKV, the KEI, 14 additional ground based interceptors for Alaska.”

  • texas214

    it’s time he has to go as a serious candidate. He can never fully explain 999, is always needing to ask “his” experts, and always having to clarify his positions and statements.

    While his accomplishments and life’s work are admirable, these basic mistakes are getting worse, not better.

    • jackdaniels11

      Every time he speaks, it is like listening to a high school student explain what he would do as class president. Maybe worse.

      Cain has always lacked substance and experience. We can and must do better than that.

  • haumea

    What, you say, he isn’t perfect?

    By the time Politico is done with all our favored frontrunners, none of them will be. At least his negatives are known.

    • paulplantowin

      Heard Newt on radio today defending Cain, while pushing the Sat debate to be carried on C-SPAN – I know all the Cain supporters in my area also are impressed with Newt’s ideas.
      Newt certainly is strong where Cain is weak – and Newt’s ‘baggage’ is known. He is certainly much more adept at handling the media.
      Newt getting hard second looks already anyway.
      Not Romney

    • sethellis

      The case I am hearing for Newt is that he doesn’t have any surprises. I disagree, and I am not going to water this down. Newt has a tendency to do stupid things with his personal life. We might know all the dirt from the past, but don’t underestimate his ability to create new problems for himself. The continuing story about Tiffany’s is the perfect example of this. I really don’t think he learned his lesson, and I believe he is likely to make scandalous decisions in the future.

      There’s no way you can predict things like this. That’s why they are called surprises.

      • texabama

        I agree with the points you made sethellis. I would also like to comment that do we really know all the baggage of any of the candidates? They dug up just enough dirt to get rid of Newt once. That doesn’t mean they dug up all there was. A guy as smart as Newt also has the tendency to think they are so much smarter than everyone else that they can get away with much more. If you need an example look to the current occupant of the White House and previous Democrat Presidents.

      • windwaker24

        Newt is still doing things. I have a coworker who had a personal dealing with Newt last year. I’m not going to say what happened, since liberals may be reading this blog, but it was not good at all. I don’t understand how some people can be so smart, yet lack common sense as in “don’t do things that can later bite you in the butt.”

  • bzip

    Just how many more gaffes are we suppose to accept from Cain?

    Could someone please explain to me why we as voters should support Cain?

    Isn’t clear by now Cain isn’t ready for prime time.- to face off with Obama next year and surely not ready to be the President of the United States?

    What does it take to open those minds?

    • haumea

      The leftist critique of Bush – that he is “intellectually incurious” actually describes Herman Cain. That’s a nice way of putting it of course.

      The not-so-nice is that he’s abysmally ignorant.

    • clintonformccain

      What does it take to open those minds?

      If Christine O’Donnell wasn’t enough, I doubt that not knowing China has nuclear weapons or an totally incomprehensible position on abortion will do the trick.

  • Death_of_the_Donkey

    growth for more than a year or two? I am pretty sure we cannot do that now either without a massive increase in either the labor force growth rate or productivity.

    • ajshea

      The Chinese economy is headed for a “correction” soon too, they cannot sustain 5-6% growth long-term either. No boom lasts forever, and their state is starting to show the strains. Look up the empty cities in China — provincial bureaucrats keep building cities that are unoccupied because it makes them look good in their reports. Never mind that they are uninhabited. Its the same perverse incentives that collapsed the Soviet Union, and unless China can make the complete transition to a free-market economy without the state calling the shots, they will have major problems. But they can’t make that transition without democratic rule, and that won’t happen soon.

      • Death_of_the_Donkey

        I am sick of seeing all of our economic plans hinging on some unrealistic growth rate in order to succeed (Perry’s does the same thing). It is these very unrealistic projections that end up leading to bigger deficits and debts down the road.

  • texas214

    With every other conservative in the race flaming out, Newt may have been in front of us the entire time espousing a positive conservative agenda. And more importantly he has the ability compare and contrast the failures of liberalism.

    • acat

      He’s been marinating in or around D.C. too long for my taste.

      Mew

      • haumea

        You can’t change DC if you don’t know it, and if you know it too well it may corrupt you.

        But Newt is about as good as it gets at this point – at least his DCish tendencies can be kept in check by an active grassroots.

        • izoneguy

          Newt can guide Rick and show him where the skeletons are……

          • texas214

            The only thing keeping Perry out of the news (for the wrong reasons) is Cain.

          • acat

            has worked very well for Team Romney.

            Perry’s been releasing plans and giving speeches. I think, when the smoke (or fog, if you prefer) of Cain’s troubles blow away, we’ll see a much improved Perry.

            Mew

          • center77

            is do something that gets him attacked. The media is scared of him, because they know he will do what he said he will “take a wrecking ball to Washington.”

          • acat

            would let Newt run roughshod over government agencies without having to first get him elected .. and would actually be a better fit for Perry as well. (in the Texas model, the Governor is more the idea guy, the Lt. Gov has the operational responsibility…)

            Further, Perry seems like the kind of guy Gingrich needs to work for to keep him in line.

            Mew

          • bzip

            I too agree. A Perry/newt ticket would be the best of all worlds.

            A lot of experience by both Newt and Perry and I think both would complement each other.

    • bzip

      Who knows what and where the support will go ‘if” Cain goes down in the polls. My educated guess is that both Perry and Newt will gain.

      What the break down will be, could be debated for hours if not days and is a complete waste of my time :-) .

      Perry is regain his footing so I am sure he will gain “something” ;-)

    • nepanyrush

      In the beginning of the primary, I felt there was no way that I would support Newt, simply because of his personal baggage and wondering if he is not more of a college professor with ideas than a commander-in-chief.. But I am having second thoughts because everyone else seems to have even more significant handicaps.

      I flirted with Perry for a while, but I watched every debate and just realized that he is missing something intellectually. I have heard random people calling talk shows that could enunciate the issues better than Perry. I never cringed with W the way that I cringe when Perry speaks. Romney has been impressive in the debates, and lacks any threat of an embarrasing personal issue coming up, but Romneycare is a serious handicap. Bachmann flamed out on the ridiculous Guardasil charge. I like Santorum, and maybe can forgive him for supporting Specter because they were fellow Senators, but he lost bad in his own home state and seems to scowl too much. Now my flirtation with Cain seems about to be over.

      For me, either Newt now moves up and we see how serious a candidate or I go with my always second choice, Romney. I do give him a mulligan for policies enacted in Massachussets, since it is so extremely liberal, and I do think he is more conservative than many others think. But there does not seem to be a good conservative alternative.

      • lineholder

        Surprised the dickens out of me, because my dad is a solid Christian and staunchly conservative. Oh, I tried to do the “but he this” and “but he that” to persuade him, but with age can come both wisdom and understanding.

        He believes Newt genuinely reached a moral turning point in this life and that this has altered the mindset Newt once had. He also believes that Newt is better by far in context of policy than any other candidate in the race. And he believes Newt is far more even-keeled than other candidate, which from my father’s perspective could provide a strong sense of stability for the next few years during a period of time in our nation’s history when that stability could be badly needed.

        I don’t know whether I agree with him or not, but that’s his viewpoint regarding Newt.

      • beach91

        cause you are looking for a slick talking used car salesman type of guy. I am tired of the ‘Perry cannot utter anything intellectually’ cause you apparently have not watched any of his recent stuff in Iowa and last week in NH. Perry actually has a track record as a governor and has some very articulate plans that, YES, even he has articulated.

        I like Gingrich too but as Veep to Perry.

      • conservativeparrothead

        Ive been a big supporter of Newt for a long time. Never quite understood what a lot of the baggage was about. Like the wife dying divorce, but nowhere I can see, did she actually die? Or the whole notion that somehow he was a hypocrite for impeaching Clinton? President Clinton was not impeached for the affair, but for lying under oath, Newt did not lie under oath.

        I am supporting him for President, donated a few bucks and we will see what happens, I still think its a long shot, but you never know if enough voters watch the debate between he and Cain this weekend and swtich over and he becomes the “staying” anti-Romney he’s got a shot.

    • center77

      are forgetting he left government before his scandals really hit the fan. He also went after Clinton while hiding his own skeletons. There is a reason the establishment did not back him in the first place. So yes, he may gain in the polls, and he may even get close to the nomination, but in the end, the whole thing will just be one more candidate that helps Romney by splitting the con vote. Newt does not have the money, and his plan is named after old plans that people will just remind themselves of why Newt ruined conservative revolution while house speaker.

  • Duke

    The prospect of OblameO being the spender in chief for another four years is making me very, very afraid. We can’t take another four years of irresponsible spending and lurching our nation toward european socialism. But I’m preaching to the choir here.

    Cain should have put the word “further” in his claim about China developing nukes, and he should have better explained the ChiCom efforts toward obtaining high performance aircraft carriers like the U.S. possesses.

    I think the current fascination with Cain is that he’s not an insider, and has a track record in the private sector of significant accomplishment. He’s sort of a Ron Paul without the affinity for flying saucers and black helicopters. Unfortunately his lack of bad baggage also equates to a lack of good baggage.

    I just hate the idea that we’ll have to hold our noses again and vote for a lesser-of-two-evils ankle-biter for President. But then, if we get a lightweight on the ballot we’re destined for another four years of a community organizer as our President.

  • clintonformccain

    …that the more Cain demonstrates a complete and utter lack of competence when it comes to national and world affairs, the more the populist base of the Republican Party may embrace him.

  • bonnman

    the concept of “outgrow” and compound interest. A smaller economy growing at 10% will eventually surpass a larger economy growing at 5%

  • daveoconnor

    is contemplating an aircraft carrier. And “develop”. Yes, as in expand and improve. This gives new meaning to “hermeneutics” lol.

    • streiff

      if you want to claim Cain speaks in parables that is your business. I’ll thank you not to do it here as it is a humiliation to those of us who have devoted years of time and energy to this site.

      1. Contemplating is not “more of.” It isn’t. Unless “more of zero” has meaning.

      2. Develop “a” is not the same as developing “existing”.

      • acat

        And yet .. there it is.

        Words have meanings. If Cain meant “improve existing nuclear technology”, then that’s what he ought to have said.

        Mew

    • daveoconnor

      and take a brief time out to consult an on-lind Thesaurus. Hmmm..yes “develop” has synonyms. Among them:”advance”, “evolve”, “expand” “progress” “thrive” Maybe Herman ought to dumb it down a little so those of a more limited vocab than his won’t be scared.

      • streiff

        any of those other words and he didn’t say, “don’t pay any attention to what I’m saying, consult an online Thesaurus and find a word that makes this sentence correct.”

        The man is ill disciplined. And that is fine when you’re selling pizzas, it isn’t when you are president.

        • daveoconnor

          as would be the synonyms, ie words that can used as well to express the same meaning.
          As I say I guess poor Herman might want to dumb it down a little bit.

          • streiff

            and it is wrong. You can’t just choose what word you wish someone had said. Language doesn’t work that way. But if it makes you happy doing this, go ahead.

          • daveoconnor

            and am not in the least upset nor frightened nor “very afraid” about Cain’s choice of develop. If he had chosen a synonym that would have be fine also. But we all chose our words. ie “Yeah” or “yes” or “MMM-HMMMM”. English is a very dynamic language with many words. We have dictionaries, some of them weigh many pounds. I consulted my Oxford Dict of English to see what it said about “develop” Hmm let’s see ..”to make manifest what already exists”…Well, perhaps the Oxford Dict is wrong. Check it out. It’s under develop at “5a”

          • libdestroyer

            You should see if the Politico is hiring. They could put you on the High-Tech lynching team.

          • Scope

            if you still have one by the time you are done with your inflammatory posts against them.

          • streiff

            I’m getting paid here

          • wacowboy

            how many times, in the context of nuclear weapons/carriers/submarines do you ever hear the word “develop” used to mean “advance , improve, evolve”?

            Develop almost always has the sense of making and using the technology for the first time. I have never in the realm of nuclear technology heard the term “develop” to mean anything other than “make for the first time”.

            If that’s not the meaning commonly associated with it, then Iran already has nukes, because they’ve been “developing” them for some time now.

            so while a dictionary or thesaurus might give a meaning that makes more sense given the facts, it still doesn’t change the fact that the word he chose usually has a different meaning in that context.

            Look, he should have chosen a different word — or been paying better attention to the word he used, or been more specific about what he was talking about. I don’t think he’s ignorant of China, it is just another example of him being less than clear in what he says.

      • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

        Mr. Cain would have thrown the marketing team out on its ear if they gave him that. Thesauruses are great, but context gives the game away.

    • gator_hoo

      If he said they are trying to develop their nuclear program, maybe you have a point. But when you say you are trying to develop nuclear capability, you are saying you do not currentlt have nuclear capability.

    • skorrent1

      By Cain and blowing it way out of proportion. If Cain had used the word “more” in front of “nuclear capability” instead of “aircraft carriers” his entire critique collapses. Had this been in a prepared speech or delivered by TOTUS he might have a point. In an off-the-cuff answer to a question, give the guy a break.

      I fully expect streiff to respond with ad homina, as usual.

      • libdestroyer

        Show the same capacity to attack attack attack that Rick does? If Cain slid down to obscurity I was considering voting Perry. But now I’m getting pretty sour on him and his supporters. Discrediting and attacking OTHER CONSERVATIVES IS COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE.

        • streiff

          where were you when Cain said he couldn’t support Rick Perry? Oh, that’s right, that’s not what Cain meant.

        • tyman

          so much by other conservatives.

          I agree that it’s counterproductive…when Herbcain made false claims about Rick Perry and the rock. Let’s see, when Herb said that he would support any candidate but Perry (based on false claims about Perry being soft on illegal immigration).

          When Michele Bachmann went after Perry for Gardasil, and made it sound like all these 12 year old Texas girls had been given death sentences when, in fact, not a single child had been given the shot.

          When Mitt Romney constantly attacked Rick Perry on illegal immigration and Texas economy baselessly (remember the snarky comment, “Just because you’re dealt four aces doesn’t mean you’re a good poker player”).

          Same for little Ricky Santorum about illegal immigration.

          Perry has been relentlessly attacked over and over, and Cain and his supporters are now experiencing what the Perry supporters have ever since the Governor got in the race.

          I’ve tried to be positive, and I think Perry was too before he just kept taking hit after hit. It’s very hard when you see someone attacked like that.

        • gator_hoo

          Someone has been using your account to attack other conservatives; you may want to speak to a moderator to see if they can get the IP address.

          Can we please get a mod to find out who hijacked libdestroyer’s account to post this?

          This one too.

          • gator_hoo

            I hate to think that someone is besmirching your character surreptitiously. Please let me know if you find out who made the above posts.

      • streiff

        out of his butt is sweet enough.

        I never grow tired of the “if we had eggs we could ham and eggs if we had ham” nature of the explanation you Cainbots are using.

    • avgjo

      This is pregnant with possibility.

      Some tentative ground rules:

      whenever his candidate (Herb) is caught in a lie or ignorance-based contradiction, one should:

      a. redirect the fault and ascribe it to the ignorance of the evil perry-bots, who are too stupid to understand what the ‘rocket scientist’ Herman Cain is saying.

      b. claim that his perfectly obvious contradiction is perfectly clear to any thinking person.

      c.claim that he is not a polished politician (i.e., he’s not yet mastered the art of double speak)*.

      d. make prognostications about what Cain will do based on a very thin and obscure record**.

      e. When all else fails, follow the lead of Herm and play the race card.

      * This one is very interesting. In other words, Cain (who’s supposed to be refreshingly honest) has not yet mastered the art of spraying with the perfume of sweet, smooth words. Impressive.

      ** Politically, speaking, the only thing we know about H.C. is that he lost a bid for Senate. With regards to business, I would love for somebody to provide me with exact numbers re: sales growth, profitability, ranking for sales in pizza and why Pillsbury sold Godfather’s (eventually to Cain and his management team) after his tenure there. Thanks!

      • avgjo

        I had put a euphemism for the crude term referring to bovine excrement in my first foot note, but apparently it wasn’t euphemistic enough, since it did not appear.

        It should read

        ‘the art of spraying cow poo with the perfume of sweet..’

      • avgjo

        I had put a euphemism for the crude term referring to bovine excrement in my first foot note, but apparently it wasn’t euphemistic enough, since it did not appear.

        It should read

        ‘the art of spraying cow poo with the perfume of sweet..’

  • http://modernconservative.com gconterio

    Microsoft is trying to develop the Windows OS. Ford motor company is trying to develop their SUV.
    Of COURSE China is trying to develop their nuclear program. To “develop” something doe not imply its absence. it is a perfectly legitimate statement which in no way implies that China doesn’t HAVE a nuclear capability.

    • streiff

      that isn’t what he said. He said

      trying to develop nuclear capability

      In English that means they don’t have one. There is no qualifier in here like “existing” or anything else.

      • libdestroyer

        If I am capable of running fast (for example), I can also DEVELOP my capabilities in attempt to run even faster.

        If you want to play games with semantics, feel free. Just don’t expect others not to.

        • streiff

          that when Cain speaks we aren’t allowed to believe what he says.

          BTW, if Cain had said what you said we wouldn’t be having that discussion.

          The man is a buffoon. The sooner you come to grips with that fact the happier you’ll be.

        • jakeofalltrades

          nt

    • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

      then needs to choose his words better, because one or two lines like that during a debate with Obama will sink him, the party, and country for another 4 years.

      I would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if he hadn’t already given a clear impression that he has no idea what goes on outside US borders.

  • goformitt

    So don’t slam me too hard! But Cain is done. Period. These sexual allegations will be red hot until he openly encourages the free speech of the accusers. Not doing so makes everyone wonder what he did that was so bad he doesn’t want anyone to know. If he does encourage their coming forward then we’ll get weeks of ever newer and more titillating inuendo.

    Add to that Cain’s confused rhetoric on abortion, taxes, economics, and now the nuclear capabilities of China. Even if you want to believe an utterly uninformed candidate is the best we can do, just imagine the TV spots – go ahead … I’ll wait. —

    I also watched Perry’s NH speech. He was drunk, Period. Just downright snookered. Like a weird uncle at the family reunion that your Mom told you to stay away from. Now imagine THOSE TV spots along with the stumbling debate ramblings … Yea, bye-bye Perry.

    Truth is, at The Iowa Forum this week Newt really did look good. If your looking for a guy to support, he is at least worth a look. He was competent – which is obviously more anyone can say of Cain or Perry.

    • streiff

      I, and a lot of people, watched the entire Perry speech. It is funny that the only people who mke the claim that he was drunk people who watched the “best of” clips.

      • http://www.reddit.com/user/pi_over_three/ Pi Over Three

        versus how many are going to watch the best of clips.

      • daveoconnor

        that the media gets away with what they are doing to Gov Perry and his NH appearance.
        I previously posted that the Morning Joe gang said the governor was high on pain killers and booze. They went so far as to surmise it was Vicodin and red wine.
        So Gov Perry can’t show what to me is a very real and appealing sense of humor without facing the media firing squad.
        Libel is very hard to prove especially for a public figure, but the Perry camp ought to think about it in this case. These accusations are malicious and that is the essence of libel.
        In this case doing the right thing would pay the additional dividend of reigniting his campaign. A lot of conservatives would rally behind him.

    • acat

      Perhaps you’d care to defend your boy Mitt now?

      Mew

      • Death_of_the_Donkey

        but, I think Perry’s tax plan is what will get him killed in the general. I am liking Newt more and more.

        • acat

          The numbers I’ve run past Perry’s plan say it’s better for more of the working class – and the investor class who actually create jobs – than either the 9-x-9 or the current situation.

          Please go ahead and prove otherwise.

          Mew

          • Death_of_the_Donkey

            and thus using the old code is a tax hike from current. He also assumes very generous growth projections, without which his plan comes up quite a bit short on revenues. I simply do not see how Perry’s plan is going to come up with even close to enough revenue to balance a budget even with spending at 18% of GDP.

          • streiff

            if you want to debate the intricacies of Perry’s tax plan do a diary.

        • gator_hoo

          Because Newt’s Tax plan is strikingly similar to Perry’s. So one will get a candidate killed in the general, but the same basic plan will cause Newt to win it all.

          Fun with logic.

          • Death_of_the_Donkey

            I said I like Newt more and more, not that Newt’s plan will be good for the general. Newt is a much more polished debater and if we are going to go with a flat tax plan in the general (and I personally think that is a bad idea), then we might as well go with Newt’s, which is much purer.

          • gator_hoo

            You said Perry’s plan will get him killed in the general.

            You then said you like Newt, whose tax plan is essentially the same.

            The tax plan which will “kill” Perry will not “kill” Newt.

        • onemovoter

          Dana Loesch is reporting on Twitter this new story.

          http://www.ktok.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=119211&article=9339922#ixzz1cYpfLp5m

          She also posted this story:

          http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/does-herman-cain-also-have-a-campaign-finance-problem/

          Dana has been relatively supportive of Cain but the more that she digs the more she has problems.

      • jackdaniels11

        People on this site have a right to shill for or against whomever they want. If goformitt thinks that Perry was drunk, he has a right to express that view. If he thinks that the allegations against Cain spell doom for the Cain train (which I agree with), he has a right to say that.

        Calling someone a candi-bot is disrespectful and it is name-calling, both of which are grounds for banning.

        It would be nice to see someone get banned on this site who ISN’T a Mitt Romney supporter.

        Just sayin’.

        • streiff

          that could be fatal. There is no “right” to any thing here. There is only a privilege.

    • Scope

      there have been people who were with Perry, in close proximity to him, for the evening, attesting to the fact that Perry was not drunk. You were not there, you were not in close proximity to him, and you have no proof of anything to back up your false charges. Your just parroting the Romney and leftist talking points. You really are pathetic.

      • gator_hoo

        Perry didn’t slur a single word and gave cogent policy analyses. He got a standing ovation at the end of his speech. Nobody there thought he was drunk.

        But sure, let’s run with the “he was drunk” story with no evidence, it’s not like we are above smears now.

        • Scope

          are so busy defending Cain with the sexual harassment charges, they have forgotten that any other candidates exist. Perry has been accused by the left of being drunk, the Politico brought out the rock story against Perry again. No one has ever come out in support of Perry, or to defend him against racist and other false accusations.

          So far today, Rush isn’t gushing over and defending Cain. Perhaps he now realizes that he may have defended someone blindly that he should not have done. We will see the NRA actions within the next 48 hours, according to Mark Block.

        • tyman

          Kevin Smith, the executive director of Cornerstone Action, says that he dined with Perry and all he had to drink was water.

          After the speech, Smith (who hasn’t endorsed a candidate) said that based on people’s reactions, he hit it out of the park.

          I AM NO FAN OF BILL CLINTON, but I think Perry’s “behavior” resembles what people liked about Clinton on the campaign trail in ’92. And to the think that Paul Tsongas was once considered the frontrunner.

      • jackdaniels11

        He is expressing an opinion. He has a right to do that.

        I’m sick and tired of you and acat and Streiff dog-piling Mitt Romney supporters.

        If you can prove that he was lying by saying that Perry was drunk (which people can form an opinion regarding by viewing someone), then prove it.

        If you’ve got the names of people who are “attesting to the fact that Perry was not drunk”, then turn over the names. Otherwise, you are the liar, not goformitt.

        Let’s see some fairness here instead of senseless dog-piling of Mitt Romney supporters.

        Whether you like Mitt or not, he will be the Republican nominee in a few months. When you, Streiff, and Erick sandbag him, it means that we are much more likely to see Obama get re-elected.

        Is that what you really want?

        • Bill S

          “goformitt” made the accusation, and it is up to him to prove it. He didn’t say “in my opinion”, or “it appears”. He said, and I quote: “He was drunk, Period. Just downright snookered.” Now he probably deserves to be banned simply based on the fact that he doesn’t know what the word “snookered” means, but he certainly DOES need to be beat up over an unsubstantiated, unproven allegation which was absolutely stated as fact.

          And right now many of us are working our butts off to ensure that Mitt the Lib does NOT get nominated, no matter what you state as “fact”.

        • tyman

          Saying that Perry was drunk is an obvious swipe at Perry and his character (especially considering it was a Christian organization), given that people who were there say that he only drank water.

          If Perry had his staff there, would they really allow him to go on while inebriated?

          See my post above. Kevin Smith said that he dined with Perry and he only drank water. He also said that Perry seemed articulate when he talked with people one on one.

          I’d take his word for it over someone who only watches an edited clip, or someone with an agenda.

          Republicans won’t have to sandbag Romney, the LSM will do that like they did McCain. The LSM said that McCain attracted independents, and once he got the nom…BAM! They went after McCain left and right. I remember David Letterman making fun of McCain so bad that Mark Levin defended McCain.

          I think that Romney’s got enough stuff on him that the LSM is drooling uncontrollably while waiting. I have no doubt that they’re saving the good stuff for Romney.

        • streiff

          four more years of Obama has more to commend it that four years of Mitt… and you.

        • jakeofalltrades

          By the way, there is no Constitutional right to accuse someone of something that they didn’t do – even on public property.

    • Danielle Davis (ocleverone)

      Cain had a sucky week and it, sadly, is the only way your guy looks better.

      You are being absolutely dishonest about the Perry video which leads me to believe that you either decided to cherry pick to slam Perry or haven’t watch it at all but feel an intense need to propagate a lie.

      What is it saying if your guy can’t even get a dead cat bounce over an ALLEGED drinking incident or sexual harasser?

    • sethellis

      As a Romney supporter I think you do our candidate a disservice with your claim.

      Perry simply wasn’t drunk. That’s just Perry relaxed and trying to be funny. In my mind that just makes the video worse. Seems to me that Perry is a better stand up comedian than he is a debater. It just isn’t the kind of demeanor that I want to see in my president.

    • libdestroyer

      you think front-runner Herman Cain is “done” but not 7% Rick Perry.
      Reality is calling… answer the phone.

    • libdestroyer

      to make that prediction. even the wizard Erick Erickson saw cain’s campaign as irrelevant and look what happened. It’s politics.

      Only time will tell. That said, I’d happily support Newt if Cain fell apart.
      Anything but Ron Paul or the fumbling Rick Perry.

    • avagreen

      http://www.nhcornerstone.org/

      One button from the page:
      Pastor?s Page

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      Try again. ;)

  • gator_hoo

    If:

    Saying that the Second Amendment does not apply to the States

    Having 10 different views on the propriety of making abortion illegal (He flipped again yesterday from saying that he would support rape and incest exceptions to saying no exceptions)

    Having 6 different stories about his involvement in and awareness of the sexual harassment allegations against him

    Saying that he would negotiate with terrorists

    Not knowing what the right of return is

    Not caring who the president of “Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan” is

    Saying Alan Greenspan was the best Fed Chairman

    Denying that he said he didn’t think the fed should be audited when he was on tape saying exactly that

    Saying he would support a lethal electric fence on the border, then he wouldn’t, then he would.

    Supporting wealth redistribution through empowerment/opportunity/whatever they are called today zones

    Not being able to explain his “simple plan” except to say that it involves three nines and is on his website

    Wanting to impose a national sales tax on top of a national VAT tax

    Constantly saying that Romney is the best non-Cain candidate

    Saying that he would not fully support all Republican nominees vs. Obama

    Jumping into the Fray to join a smear attack against another candidate

    Doesn’t convince someone that he is not ready for primetime, I doubt this does.

    • bzip

      But it sure will come the general election.

      Like I said before, a Cain nomination = a 2nd term for Obama.

      • libdestroyer

        and if you say it, then by God it must be true.

        • jakeofalltrades

          But your mind-reading of Cain is something we’re all supposed to accept as gospel truth?

  • redmymind

    Press him on the nuke issue and he’ll just come out with another incoherent way to blend away his blatant contradictions.

    “Uh, well, what I MEANT by “nuclear” was really . . . No! Hold on! I was misquoted!”

    I’m the farthest thing from a Romney supporter, but I have to concede that Romney certainly does a far better job and making his gaping inconsistencies look like axiomatic truths. Cain’s attempt to “explain away” his contradictions are just too painful to watch. Remeber the whole walk-back episode over the pro-life issue. Yikes! . . . Abortion should be illegal but government shouldn’t butt in over such a personal/family decision??? Huh???

    Cain’s poll numbers look great today, but they reflect sentiments over him PRIOR TO his latest string of troubles. As far as those who blindly defend him “because he’s such a likeable guy and a total outsider to politics,” the love affair can only go on for so long as his weaknesses and troubles keep surfacing.

    As far as the rest of the candidates, we all know deep down in our hearts that it’s really between Perry and Obama Lite, as it has always been since Perry joined in.

    Yeah, . . . some “tough” choice there!!!

  • carolynr

    When is the everyday Joe going to wake up to the fact that Herman Cain is NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME. We’ve had to endure…and I mean endure poor Herman and his high tech lynching until I am ready to gag. The original leak was about sexual harassment…NOT COLOR. Why is color always being brought into this. Even Condi Rice said…don’t play the race card. Who is playing it…The MSM and the Conservatives…while Herman sits back and collects the $$$.

    People…are you ready for a president or do you just want to make this a race issue? I want ideas…and right now Herman is getting plenty of free publicity. Today he said that one of the competing candidates dropped the dime on him. He was “speculating”. Well…Herman…I am speculating, maybe you dropped the dime on yourself to take the eyes off of your campaign finance problems in Wisconsin? Maybe you were running out of money. So now you have the sympathy vote…AND YOU STILL DON’T HAVE ANY IDEAS. You are back with 999. I thought it was 909…but then you recanted…right???

    This is a pattern of behavior. The man has not figured out that China ALREADY has nuclear capability. God Help Us. People…this is your country…give up your concept of “they screwed me…so I will screw them through an everyday man candidate”. We need someone with a vision and Herman doesn’t have it. We’re bogged down in this racial thing that shouldn’t even be racial.

    I might also point out that Herman was all to quick to blame Perry about that stupid Rock…that had absolutely nothing to do with Perry…but ORIGINALLY…catch the word…Perry was insensitive, painting Perry as a bigot. No he is not and Perry isn’t responsible for an area that had been called that way before he went hunting there. STOP PLAYING THE GD RACE CARD…WE’RE SICK OR IT.

    • avagreen

      Well said!
      IMHO, we’re watching the king of marketing using this as a way to get more $$. He’s a sideshow salesman, at best. A perp, at worst.

      Sickening. This is the man I want representing me in office?

      • libdestroyer

        Then I can smile at night when I go to sleep knowing the libs and 98% of RedState bloggers are pissed off.

        Keep attacking. That’s all you people are good for.

  • goformitt

    From Politico:

    “Herman Cain told an audience in Virginia today that there are hostile forces working to “destroy” his campaign and subvert the will of the people.

    He added: “Y?all were supposed to applaud.?

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67435.html#ixzz1cZ0AfHWK

  • daveoconnor

    Your father and I have given you everything, sob. And you want to express yourself. So hurtful. We’ve spent the best years of our lives.

    Back to reality: As we used to say in Vietnam go to the chaplin and get your tough s**t card punched.

    • streiff

      who is this addressed to? Answer. It is important.

    • gator_hoo

      I don’t see how this fits any of the above posts.

      • jakeofalltrades

        streiff said:
        if you want to claim Cain speaks in parables that is your business. I?ll thank you not to do it here as it is a humiliation to those of us who have devoted years of time and energy to this site.

        daveoconnor said:
        Your father and I have given you everything, sob. And you want to express yourself. So hurtful. We?ve spent the best years of our lives.

        I think there’s a preponderance of the evidence that this comment was meant to belittle streiff for his justifiable irritation that Cain’s followers constantly defend Cain from charges of conservative dilettantism by performing eisegesis of his every statement.

        • streiff

          and eventually daveoconnor will explain in a non-parable form, in English, what he meant.

  • dorf

    Geezzus people, the Politico is a lefty rag. They MSM used vague sexual harassment allegations against Clarence Thomas and they are doing the same thing against Cain.

    I for one will agree that Cain has a damn hard time articulating his positions, but at the end of the day I believe he will come down on the right side of an issue.

    Romney is a complete fraud and I will never trust him.

    BTW, the Chinese do have 4 retired aircraft carriers. They are sea worthy but they are not fully operational. As for the nuclear comment I think what he means is they want to develop their current nuclear technology, such as putting nuclear warheads in cruise missiles and being able to launch from a submarine, etc…

    • streiff

      1. everything Politico reported on Cain has been admitted by Cain.

      2. Romney is a fraud.

      3. China does not have “4 retired aircraft carriers.” They have one short deck carrier they bought from Ukraine that is undergoing sea trials. They have a second carrier they have converted to a floating hotel/casino.

      4. Don’t you find it strange when your candidate expresses an opinion on China and you have to guess WTF he was talking about?

      • dorf

        Educate yourself.

        “Since 1985, China has acquired four retired aircraft carriers for study: the Australian HMAS Melbourne and the ex-Soviet carriers Minsk, Kiev and Varyag. Reports state that two 50,000-60,000 ton Type 089 aircraft carriers based on the Varyag, are due to be finished by 2015.”

        Source: Minemura, Kenji (2008/12/31), China to start construction of 1st aircraft carriers next year, Asahi Shimbun, archived from the original on 26 May 2009, http://replay.web.archive.org/20090526192305/http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200812310046.html

        • streiff

          the Chinese do not have four aircraft carriers. They have one undergong sea trials, the Varyag. The Melbourne was only the hull and broken up for scrap in 2002. The other three carriers they bought were either scrapped or converted to use as amusement parts or casinos.

          So your defense of Cain is as inoperative as his statement.

          • dorf

            Yep, the Chinese have one operational carrier, so when he says they want to develop more he is correct. They have one, and they want to develop more.

            As the nuclear weapon comment I already stated what was meant and it makes perfect sense. They want to develop their nuclear capability.

            BTW, Perry is no conservative. He supported legislation to inject children with a vaccine even against the parent’s wishes. He supported in-state tuition for illegals. He has done nothing to deport, or even deter illegals in Texas. He is another Bush, and Bush was a disaster. Also, he doesn’t support building a wall/fence on the southern border. Perry would be as big of a disaster as Romney was in Massachusetts.

          • jakeofalltrades

            And so was not against any parent’s wishes. Good to know that Cain supporters are morally casual with respect to truth-telling; thanks for that.

    • gator_hoo

      Based on what exactly?

      His statements when he is speaking for himself have been awful.

      He said he believes abortion should be the choice of the mother.

      He said he would be willing to negotiate with terrorists.

      He denied having any knowledge of a settlement agreement which he remembered in detail a few hours later.

      He said that he doesn’t support the protection of marriage.

      He said that the Second Amendment shouldn’t apply to the states.

      He has twice jumped on the race card when it was convenient for him.

      To the extent that any of those positions have changed to the conservative position, it has been only after Cain’s advisers have said, “You can’t hold that position if you want to get elected.”

      So, I don’t see where this belief that Cain is a conservative deep in his heart comes from. Honestly. This isn’t meant to be a smear, but nobody seems to be able to answer this question.

      • gator_hoo

        I am getting pretty tired of asking people to show me what basis they have for believing Cain is a conservative. Every time I get crickets. I guess there is no basis.

        • avagreen

          **

        • bzip

          I am still waiting to hear from anyone that can explain to me:

          Why as a voter should I vote/support Cain?

          That walking gaffe machine and his followers are sure to walk us down the path to another 2nd term of Obama and in the mean time embarrass the entire conservative base.

          What a disgrace…

          • heraklios

            We have several very articulate, conservative candidates in the field (Bachmann, Gingrich, Perry, Santorum) so support one of them instead. Any of these candidates would be acceptable to me, heck even Ron Paul would be, as long as we defeat….no, not defeat, totally stomp on and eviscerate Willard Romney.

          • bzip

            At least someone responded though it should be clear on my sign below who I support: Perry

            Just trying to see if the Cain Supporters can actually try and sell “their” candidate, you know kind like what you have to do in a general election.

      • dorf

        Abortion is not in the constitution. Roe V Wade should be overturned and the issue should be returned to the states.

        We have negotiated with the enemy, call them terrorists, pirates, whatever, since this country was founded. We don’t always, but we have from time to time. You must think that apparently the US government can do no wrong on foreign policy. I think they can, and do.

        He probably didn’t have any knowledge of it or a settlement at first, and then inquired with the lawyers, or people involved in the case and discovered there was one. Big fricken whoop.

        A marriage license is a government institution that has bestowed certain legal and tax advantages for people. If the people of a state choose to elect representatives that choose to extend those privileges to gay people, what business is it of the Federal government? On that note in the constitution the Federal government does have the ability to pass a law that exempts other states from recognizing that marriage. It?s called DOMA.

        The Second Amendment, like all the other amendments until the 13th, 14th and 15th amendments where never meant to apply to the states. The Federal government has no authority in the constitution to ban, license, or even regulate firearms. It is a state issue.

        And, yes, the socialist, leftist, democrats do not like it when popular blacks wander off the plantation and get uppity. They believe blacks like that need to be put in their place, so they are called Uncle Tom’s, house servants, step-and-fetch, not black enough, not down with the struggle, etc… So, yeah, Herman Cain has every right to pull the race card, because the leftist MSM are a bunch of racists.

        • jakeofalltrades

          The 14th amendment precludes states from denying federal rights to their citizens, including the second amendment (right to bear arms) and the fifth amendment (right to life), So you and Cain couldn’t be more wrong about the states rights issue.

          Although, since Cain is unaware of China’s nuclear arms, perhaps he is also so not-up with current events that he is unaware of the passage of the 14th amendment.

    • retire05

      when you have to present your explaination for what Cain said with “I think” you are only trying to defend him. Cain should be able to articulate his opinions without added explaination by others.

  • bonnman

    Does that mean we all settle for Romney now? This is so depressing.

    • Danielle Davis (ocleverone)

      nt

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      2 months until the caucuses and primaries start.

  • runner12

    His team must know that this is his weakness. This reflects a lack of competence on the part of the person who is responsible for makijg sure that he is briefed on all of the issues.

    • clintonformccain

      Cain isn’t even serious enough about running for President of the United States of America to have a team. His campaign manager is a two-bit hack who has been barred from participating in elections in Wisconsin due to election law violations. His economic “team” is a personal assets manage (used to be called a stock broker) in Cleveland.

      • runner12

        Couldn’t he have found some better team members? He has connections. Surely he could have done better thsn this.

  • Spartan4Life

    Cain was, is, and will be a joke as a candidate for president of the United States. The fact that he is actually registering in some polls is allowing our opponents to make us look like unserious buffoons.

    Why don’t we have any real leaders?

  • sunshinek67

    needs to catch up to speed on China nukes. Interesting to see how he fares in the foreign policy debate.

    As for the Perry haters hijacking this diary, they are mad that the guy actually has a personality and makes folks laugh. The best of NH speech posted on youtube submitted from some parasitic basement mote that has finally found his 15 minutes of fame. And those gleeful posters that adhere to this drive by shooting as some sort of gotcha politics are the host that feeds.

    I hope to see more NH speeches from Perry. Team Perry 2012~

    • streiff

      he’s a math major who worked as an entry level Navy researcher. And not on rockets. The installation where he worked focused on naval gunfire.

  • reggie182

    The U.S. Department of Navy.

    So I seriously doubt that Cain believes that China currently has no nuclear capability. I’m guessing that he meant that China was trying to IMPROVE it’s nuclear capability (a valid point), and expressed himself rather poorly.

    • streiff

      follows from the other. Ballistics analysts for Navy in the early 60s focused on naval gunfire, outgoing and incoming. The work done on the emerging Navy missile program wasn’t done where Cain worked.

      I hope he knows China has nukes but two misstatements in as many sentences doesn’t build confidence.

      • reggie182

        involving military weaponry.

        I realize he didn’t deal directly with nuclear weapons, but working with the U.S. Navy in any kind of weaponry would lead me to believe his curiosity and discussion with peers about the subject of weapons in general would make him aware of China’s nuclear capability.

        But yes, he answer was very very poorly worded.

        • gator_hoo

          Nt

          • reggie182

            My point is that he was was associated with the military long enough to almost certainly be mindful of such a subject.

            He misspoke. He’s done it before, and in fact he seems to have a problem with gaffes. But I don’t consider him to be so ignorant as to not realize that China has nukes.

        • streiff

          he has never said what he dealt with and I’m willing to bet you weren’t there. So please, don’t go making stuff up paper this over.

          I’ve worked around technical people for most of the past two decades. The number of them who are curious about anything other than the immediate problem they are working on is stunningly small.

          As I said in the post, one has to assume he knows China has nukes. But you can’t just say stuff on that subject. You have to be precise. He made two errors in two consecutive sentences. This simply says he doesn’t care enough about what he’s saying to be precise or careful. This is also what caused his problem on abortion a couple of weeks ago.

  • Vaughn Harold

    during his poor debate performances until he went into the witness protection program of scripted interviews, video adds, and giddy speeches.

    Granted, Cain should learn some things from Perry’s campaign about playing it low key when you?re unprepared.

    • streiff

      sorry I missed that.

      • Vaughn Harold

        n/t

        • streiff

          and stop trying to threadjack

          • Vaughn Harold

            the entire point of your dairy is to point out Cain’s flaw of making stupid comments. I wasn’t aware that drawing comparisons to Perry’s stupid comments was now off limits.

          • streiff

            is when you change the discussion from the subject at hand to something you want to talk about.

            If you want to claim that Perry has made the same statement re China, I’m open to it. Because all gaffes are not created equal. Otherwise start a diary on what you see as Perry’s gaffes.

          • Vaughn Harold

            a consistant rule for the Perrybots that go around threadjacking.

          • streiff

            and I only do that on the front page.

            If you’ll point me towards Perry supporters doing what you’re trying to do on front page stories I’ll be more than happy to tell them the same thing.

  • Russ Martin

    is like a lot of other chief executives I’ve seen in the business world who are rarely challenged on their facts and statements. Their subordinates are simply to afraid or intimidated to challenge them.

    Cain is a likeable guy, and has a great life story. But he is clearly afflicted with foot-in-mouth disease. He runs off at the mouth, and then gets frustrated when people challenge him on his statements.

    Someone on Fox – Hume or Krauthammer – said he was shooting from the hip. I think that sums it up well.

    Cain is obviously ill-informed on a LOT of issues and instead of working to enlighten himself on them, he wants to bluff his way through the questions, and then rely on the advice of his “experts”.

    That probably worked for him as the CEO of Godfathers, and it would probably work if he was running for mayor, but he’s campaigning for the office of President of the most powerful nation on earth.

    Its clear (to me, at least) that Cain just isn’t ready.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    …but I will say he probably misspoke. Albeit, that’s potentially fatal for someone that wants to be the leader of the free world.

    For example, as President making a statement that “our nuclear weapons are ready to launch” when perhaps you meant to say “our nuclear weapons are launch capable” could be the difference between a bucolic afternoon and a very bad day.

    I won’t try to channel Mr.Cain nor claim a Vulcan Mind Meld. But I am fairly certain he knows that China has nuclear weapons and meant they are trying to expand and “further” develop those “capabilities”.

    If he doesn’t, he should bow out. Now. While he still can do so gracefully. Before he says something like Russia is trying to “develop” a space program.

  • onemovoter

    It is blasting a tax proposal that adds “9%” sales tax to our current sales tax, and add more bureaucrats that will hurt Missouri business.

    Even though they don’t name Cain’s proposal by name I know it’s what they are talking about. I am surprised about this but guess they are looking at the sale tax part of it and affecting their business much more than advertised.

  • angryguy77

    You people are bashing Cain on a misstatement, trashing Perry because he’s not a good enough orator, but then turn around and make fun of the obamabots for falling for his act. Rather hypocritical if you ask me,

    It’s the ideas that matter, as conservatives, we should be judging people on the merits of their beliefs, not how well they did on American Idol.

    I’d be fine with Cain, Newt or Perry. Each of them are conservative. People are so focused on beating Obama that they forger we need to beat Mitt first.

    • libdestroyer

      now YOU are someone who GETS IT.
      Thank you.

    • bonnman

      The manner in which ideas are communicated is incredibly important, its crucial. If the communication fails then those ideas are at best lost and at worst easily distorted and will do more harm than good to the conservative cause. Any one of the candidates has better conservative cred than Obama, that’s a given, but who will do best to communicate that to the general population?

  • WY_Cowboy

    and unknowledgeable during Special Report yesterday on Fox News – even on his 9-9-9 plan. I was actually starting to warm to Cain, although I’m not a supporter of the 9-9-9 in its entirety. But listening to him on a broad range of issues, even the ones that are supposed to be in his wheelhouse, leaves me wanting. He’s just not ready for high national office.

  • libdestroyer

    Go vote for Perry. The people of this blog aren’t changing their minds about their candidate. Surely with the DISASTER this administration has become you can find something else to write other than Cain hit-pieces.

    really sad.

    • streiff

      in the end I suspect I’ll end up voting either for Perry or Romney because Cain is a buffoon.

      • libdestroyer

        at least he knows how to debate.

        • streiff

          in a president, or so I’m told. So is singing.

      • bzip

        Can I say: Me too. Cain is a walking disaster. I would rather vote Romney if it came to it.

        Perry is the man for the job, Go Perry 2012

      • daveoconnor

        “Cain is a buffoon”
        This is just the sort of close reasoning that no doubt tickles the intellects of right wingers everywhere.
        “Cain is a buffoon”
        The logic of this statement reminds one of a Geometric theorem.
        “Cain is a buffoon”
        This should be translated into classical Latin or some other fancy lingo.
        “Cain is a buffoon”
        I would guess this had to be re-written and polished to achieve its incandescent luster.
        “Cain is a buffoon”
        With this simple profundity the author has totally changed the game.

  • BigRedConservative

    And much as I appreciate his ability to implement common-sense, conservative reforms to create jobs. I would not be able to sleep knowing he was on one end of the red telephone. First his faux pas about Uzbekistan (which is of significant strategic importance to America), then his inability to articulate an exit strategy for Afghanistan, and now his gross misunderstanding of China. A good job creator-in-chief; not so good a commander-in-chief.

  • johnt

    What are they saying that Redstate isn’t saying for them?
    The Chinese needed a Democrat president to advance their missle launch capabilities, that was in the nineties, fair to say improvements and testing continue, and in line with Cain’s mention of the Chines navy as it continues to expand.
    Let’s see, we don’t like Romney, Gingrich is a has been, Perry a tongue tied flop, Bachmann, forget about her.
    Who’s left, Calvin Coolidge?
    DNC staffers not to worry, you can just call it in and sleep late. Redstate to the rescue.

    • avagreen

      Look at what they got. ;)

      • libdestroyer

        but I’m starting to think it’s the norm on this site.

        Hey Cain people, check out freerepublic. They’re more fair.

  • bzip

    Cain shows inconsistencies in foreign policy understanding

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/cain-shows-inconsistencies-in-foreign-policy-understanding/

  • center77

    two people have come out and said they knew of the charges against Cain. One says he was there at the eatery where Cain sexually harassed a woman.

    Now Cain suddenly remembers the charges very well, so much that he remembers he told one of Perry’s advisors that the two women had accused him of these harassment charges.

    So first he knew nothing of it, then he knew some but not all, then after that he knew everything and he knows it was Perry’s advisor that leaked.

    I think conservatives need to heed Rice view and stop playing the race card. One of the people at the instance said Cain really did sexually harass the woman, and he also states if these women get to talk, Cain will be in a lot of trouble, and its Cain?s fault because he tried to make these ladies look like they were stupid and bad employees, so I do not feel sorry for him anymore. He has used race to get attention, and has said way to many dumb things for me to not believe he probably said something perverted to one of his college aged lady, who happened to be a Ivy school grad.

    Eric on the five said Romney is who Obama wants to run against Romney, and the polls mean nothing. Lets remember mthat Carter was destroying Reagan when we were about at this point.