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So Now We Have Sex In the Herman Cain Sex Scandal

By: streiff (Diary) | November 3rd, 2011 at 12:50 PM |

RESIZE: AAA

Inveterate Cainiac tngal demands Speaking of Sex…..where is it? Show Me The Sex!!.

Here at RedState we are nothing if not customer centric because of the requirement to pay extortionate salaries to all the front pagers. So here it is. The SEX in Sex Scandal. Courtesy of that hotbed of liberalism, Pajamas Media, and that raging commie Roger Simon. Just the good parts, visit the link for more.

Adding to the ongoing Herman Cain sexual harassment controversy, two sources have now confirmed to PJ Media that a female employee of the National Restaurant Association told associates she had been brought by Mr. Cain to his Crystal City, Virginia residence where she alleged “he had taken advantage of me.”

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According to both sources, Mr. Cain and the woman had been with a large group for a long evening of food and drink at the Ciao Baby Cucina, a restaurant near NRA headquarters in downtown Washington, D.C. This was a normal routine, as the trade association worked with the food and beverage industry. Afterwards, Mr. Cain allegedly took the woman by taxi to his apartment, where she spent the night and woke up in his bed.

The attorney for the women who received settlements is meeting with the NRA today to ask it to waive the nondisclosure agreement. Cain has yet to agree. Doing so would be a good start.

[UPDATE: PJM has revised the story, visit them for the revised story.]

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Bill S

(TWHS?)

onemovoter

We can actually extort money out of blogging? Damn I’ve been doing this all wrong.

/facepalm

http://nerds4cain.com Brookhaven

(CORRECTIONS: A previous version of this story mentioned that a source witnessed Cain and the woman entering a taxi together. This was incorrect.

The previous version also mentioned that the woman awoke in Cain?s bed ? the source only claimed that the woman awoke in Cain?s apartment.

The previous version incorrectly attributed comments from one source to the other source.)

This story is falling apart as we watch.

They actually attributed a quote to the wrong anonyomous source. At least we know their practicing solid journalism–NOT.

RedState, btw, now has one of the incorrect quotes from the original story posted in it’s story.

Crash71234

During his Oct. 3 broadcast in Iowa, Deace mentioned that Cain made a comment to a woman who was there to report on the radio interview for another news agency.

?Cain said, ?Darling, do you mind doctoring my tea for me??? Deace said.

Deace told the Register last month that he believes Cain was talking about adding honey and lemon, but that it was an awkward moment.

The HORROR!

streiff

is that what the kids are calling it these days?

jackdaniels11

Good one.

http://nerds4cain.com Brookhaven

This one is actually funny.

I don’t know about Iowa, but as someone raised in Georgia, I wouldn’t give a second thought to someone calling me “darling”.

This would be like someone being upset a the use of “y’all”. It’s just a common part of souther culture.

rightwingmom52

was that the tea had to be doctored. Any tea drinker knows you shouldn’t have to ask for sugar and that tea comes poured over ice in a glass.

clowngirl

Assuming it was someone of the opposite sex?

I wouldn’t appreciate it.

I also don’t care to be called “honey”, “darling”, “sweetie” by men I don’t know. If it’s a woman I don’t mind because it has a different connotation.

I know there’s probably a lot of people – male and female – who think that’s uptight — but it seems to me that using a term like “darling”, when addressing a member of the opposite sex, is an invitation to flirtation. Either that — or a way of being dismissive to a woman.

Looking at it from the perspective of wanting to remain faithful to a spouse— is addressing random women as “darling” the best way to avoid temptation.

Of course, there’s also the fact that he’s asking a women to sweeten his tea when that doesn’t appear to be part of her job description…

avagreen

“Would you like to sweeten my tea, honey”?
I’ve had the same type comment made to me in the past when much younger and innocent, with a tone and accompanying laughs by the males sitting around, letting me know exactly what was meant. It was both confusing (why would they talk to me like that?) and humiliating to know what was being suggested.

‘course I would have had a hard time proving harrassment because of the “innocence” of the statement itself (sans the look on the face of the speaker and the guys around him, and the tone of voice).
Frankly, I’m sick of this type of behavior going on and being “winked at”………it’s humiliating to be treated like a piece of meat.

(I can think of the same type of remarks that can be made toward men by predator women, but won’t.)
All of it needs to stop.

daveoconnor

Clowngirl and avagreen demonstrate the minefield the modern workplace has become.
Cain’s request could have been handled by simply telling him not to call you darling and to doctor his own tea. Most of these things can be handled that way.
I worked for many years in Pittsburgh,PA where “Hon” is used by women and men all the time in the workplace. I never felt harassed. I thought it a rather nice local quirk.
The last firm I worked at was owned by we the employees. I was an officer and so occasionally would read the details of sexual harassment complaints. EVERYONE I read involved a female who didn’t make it through our routine probation period for new hires. To my great disgust the firm sometimes paid settlements for what I regarded as bogus complaints. Does real sexual harassment exist? Of course and both men and women are guilty, bit a great many claims are motivated by money and revenge.
And no I wouldn’t worry about my lovely wife Connie being called a pet name. She was once a Pan-Am flight attendant and knows a little bit about how to handle the male of the species. Usually with humor I might add.

avagreen

case, but yet you pass judgement.

BELIEVE ME…………THERE WAS “NO HUMOR” BEING USED IN THE INCIDENT THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. I FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO GO TAKE A BATH AFTERWARDS Obviously, your’s is a man’s opinion.

Don’t know about clowngirl, but I will NOT be silenced because of your ridicule, the most common of all weapons used by men who don’t have a clue..

But, I have been called “honey” by men in a respectful manner. They have put their arms around my shoulders, etc. Many times. This wasn’t that! I can make up my own mind when my boundaries have been invaded. Not you, some anonymous blogger on a blog. Thank you!

That’s called “blaming the victim” and good sir, you were not there, you didn’t witness what went on, and have no right in passing judgment on anything about it.

Nor, do you have any right passing judgement about what happened in the case of these women.

To hear your side of the story, sexual harrassment just doesn’t happen unless the man thinks so. The woman’s side of the story doesn’t count.

I’ve worked as a victims’ advocate and your short-sightedness is exactly what is wrong with women and men getting heard when they need to be heard.

Bah!
avagreen

That’s why when men are sexually attacked or molested or harrassed, they don’t come forward……..because of the ignorant ridicule of the men they know.

I’ve had men cry on my shoulder for the shame they feel for being attacked and can’t talk about because of the **wink** **wink** response they get from other men.

I can be just as ribald as any man, but I know when it’s not “fun” any more, as well. I don’t object to being called “hon”, “honey”, “sweetie”, or any other “pet name”, but when it’s accompanied by leering looks and up/down the body glances while talking…………that’s NOT about “pet names”. Nor, the wolf whistles or barks or howls that happen when you walk off

Get it?
avagreen

and just prior to barks, howls, and wolf whistles followed me as I left the room.

Some Trogdolyte may think that’s a compliment. It’s not. And, if my dad had been present, I think there would have been a few men wiping their faces off the floor.

But, you see……men like this only do this when the female is alone or far enough away from others that might disapprove.

Hopefully, you aren’t not among that type of man, or you would know exactly of what I speak.

Nonetheless, we do NOT know the details of what happened and for you to sit and judge and jury as IF you do w/o the details is just plain ignorant. And, to post your ignorance for everyone to see if just more ignorance. We don’t know where this action stopped, or began.
/rant off?
avagreen

And, the “dirty feelings that I was getting and the alarms going off in my head started just prior to barks, howls, and wolf whistles followed me as I left the room.

Some Trogdolyte may think that’s a compliment. It’s not. And, if my dad had been present, I think there would have been a few men wiping their faces off the floor.

But, you see……men like this only do this when the female is alone or far enough away from others that might disapprove.

Hopefully, you aren’t not among that type of man, or you would know exactly of what I speak.

Nonetheless, we do NOT know the details of what happened and for you to sit and judge and jury as IF you do w/o the details is just plain ignorant. And, to post your ignorance for everyone to see if just more ignorance. We don’t know where this action stopped, or began.
/rant off?
daveoconnor

you’re pretty mad about the slights that exist only in your head.
The only incident you mentioned was according to you similar to the one allegedly involving Mr Cain. I just re read your post and see nothing else mentioned. If you felt you needed to take a bath after whatever happened I assume it involved something being thrown at you since mere words don’t require soap and water. As for men and women getting heard when they need to be heard I’m unaware that I’ve ever tryed to interfere with anyone trying to get heard. The jist of my post was that if a man or woman is offended they can speak up or handle it in other ways. Your latest post is further evidence of what continues to be a modern day minefield of PC. And where in “my side” do I say that sexual harassment happens only if a man thinks it happens? Please point out where I said that. You can’t because i didn’t.
clowngirl

I read avagreen’s post as well and I’m a little confused as to why you think the “slights exist only in (her) head”

When one man said “would you like to sweeten my tea, hon” and then the whole table laughed , if it was just an ordinary request, how do you account for the laughter? What would be so gosh darn funny?

What if the guy in question was slowly looking her up and down as he said it? it is

And – as I asked in the subject line — is it your contention that wolf whistles, cat calls, howling, etc. is appropriate when a woman walks by at her place of employment?

Pursuing this train of thought a bit further: do you think that non verbal communication is possible? Are you familiar with the of the use of “subtext”? And, if so, do you think it is possible for the same phrase to mean one thing if said in a one context, but to mean something totally different when said in a different tone of voice, accompanied by different body language and different context?

What avagreen describes was clearly disrespectful — the fact you don’t acknowledge that leads me to make an informed judgement and dismiss what you said about seeing tons of bogus claims.
daveoconnor

The “slights” she pulls out of my post. I was talking about the tea incident. She said she had a similar incident. Next thing I know she’s talking about if daddy had been there people would have been knocked to the floor.
jrmax13

dave, buddy. You should have figured out by now that you cannot win when avagreen is involved. She is not to be sniffed at ! After all she is the Troll Buster of almost SuperHero status. Around here it is her way or the Hines way.
daveoconnor

Thanks jrmax13. I really was taken aback by her reaction especially the part about men “wiping their faces” from the deck. Strange that.
http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

email me at coldwarrior1978 at gmail dot com.

Thank you.

ColdWarrior
avagreen

but, feel perfectly adequate to publicly disparage and attempt to shame the opinions of anyone who doesn’t agree with your extremely limited world view.

I thought cave dwellers had mutated themselves out of existence. Guess I was wrong.

You’re a complete pompass and really not worth responding to any more.
Ignore.
daveoconnor

that you are a person of wide learning and tender discernment.
You have a father who apparently is on call to assault whomever you happen to point at.
You name call. Actually you are something of a harasser yourself.
Do you commonly call males “cave dwellers” and “pompass”. And on behalf of my mom and dad thanks for the mutation insult.
As for the “dirty feelings” and “alarms going off in your head” I can’t comment. Don’t have the background, but thanks for sharing.
clowngirl

If someone addresses you as “honey” or “darling” and it makes you feel uncomfortable — the appropriate response would be to first decide if it bothers you enough to bother with — and, if it does – politely let the person know that you’d prefer they not do that. It’s not a problem unless they continue to do it knowing that it bothers you.

It wouldn’t be appropriate to write up a complaint based on things a person does inadvertently without knowing it bothers anyone.

You can’t look at just words said and determine if it’s harassment. When I wasn’t self employed I worked in work places where men not uncommonly said things like “Good morning, you look very nice today” and 99.9% of the time I had no problem with it. But there was one job where I did have a boss who would say that in a tone – and while giving me looks that left me feeling very uncomfortable. He’d also do little – how do you call em on it – things like shaking my hand and holding it for an extended period when was clearly wanting to end the handshake. (And when I left my hand in my pocket there would be some petty punishment.)

I was very young and that was my first time dealing with that kind of thing and it was very unsettling. But there was very little that could be called out — I didn’t like the way he was always staring at me, looking me up and down, finding excuses to touch me,etc,etc. I got lucky that time in that the fool got himself fired and I got a different boss who didn’t do any of that- but afterwards I learned to simply address it. Being as non-accusatory as possible — “I know I’m probably a bit of a prude but…” and it worked almost all the time.

But it’s something I had to address fairly often when I was an employee. And I never filed a lawsuit or sought any kind of pay off. So, I’m skeptical of the notion that businesses are inundated with bogus claims made in bad faith in the hopes of a quick pay out – and am inclined to believe that actual sexual harassment is pretty common.

Maybe there’s a tendency to be somewhat partisan to your own gender. Men seem to be the ones accused of sexual harassment 99% of the time — and therefore women are almost always the ones complaining. And I just don’t think the majority of them are liars.
daveoconnor

Men can be stupid or worse regarding women in the work place and other places.
It does cut both ways too. I have been invited out by female work associates and had to deal with overt hostility when I turned down the invitation. I also was offered a better position at another firm during dinner, a business dinner I thought, with an officer of the other firm who told me she wanted me to come onboard partly beause she “found me attractive” On the plane home from Hartford I chuckled about it. But after she said that no way was I going to move to another town and perhaps have my livilihood depend on a possible romance.
However one of the basic tenets of conservativism as described by Burke is an acknowlegement that we humans are all capable of evil. Harassment and bullyism are unfortunately part of that which is why I
do take the issues of the workplace seriously. In spite of that the claims, at least the ones I reviewed, could have been handled by communication. I also worked as a broadcaster and in that field in the 60′s and 70′s I did witness some very bad examples of blatent harassment of women. But remember my original post was a reaction to tea etc.

clowngirl

although I don’t know what “sweeten my tea” would exactly be a euphemism for (and don’t need to) and actually I was just referring to the stereotypically sexist thing of expecting any woman present (it sounds like the woman Mr. Cain addressed was a reporter) to cater to the refreshments — as though she is less important and there to cater to the males.

But I do understand what you mean about innuendo and tone. And about the not uncommon complicity of other men present — who likely, on their own, would never do anything like that.

Nice guys egging on jerks is a phenomena I don’t fully understand but I’ve seen evidence that it happens. Especially when it’s work friends who it’s desirable not to offend.

But really – that’s a lot of the problem isn’t it? if the harasser is the boss – he or she has the power to hire/fire/promote/demote/etc./etc. not just the woman he’s harassing but EVERYONE who works under him. Who wants to get on the bosses bad side? And even if it isn’t the boss – who wants to be the uptight, politically correct killjoy?

DaveOConnor, in a way, also made a point about context. as you pointed out — the remark about sweetening tea wasn’t, in itself, offensive. It was the way it was said and the context. Mr. O’Connor mentioned an area where everyone calls each other “hon” without meaning anything but friendliness — I see no problem with that at all — but Mr. Cain, at an Iowa radio station where he doesn’t know the norms, should not be calling a young woman “darling” without knowing how she would take it.

And. from the sound of things, he’s been accused of doing a lot worse.

tngal

I’m confused I gotta say. But anyway, thanks guys. I’ll leave a tip on the table. You came through admirably.
_____
I read the pj. Yes they went in a taxi and she woke up in his bed.

So far the only thing corroborated was they both were at a party and both entered a taxi.

I’m waiting for herminator to offer up his side.

And still waiting to see if in fact it was an aid to another camp who leaked it.

______

Oh and, somebody left a pair of purple boxer shorts with smurfs on them under the couch. You may want to get those.
bk

Michelle Obama is Herman Cain’s love child?

jackdaniels11

You should follow my Twitter feed.

uncmike

I hope Block doesn’t light up after saying something like the above as a reply to these latest claims about Herman. I think Rush is barking up the wrong tree on this one if he’s still making excuses for Cain’s failure to not open the files for public scrutiny on these incidents.

jackdaniels11

who would never, ever pull this kind of stunt. Or even use the four-lettered word for it.

Who could it me?

Thinking, thinking. The Yankee Clipper? No, that’s Joe D.

Hang on a sec. The something Gipper? No, that’s Ronald W. Reagan.

Oh yeah, the Yankee Gipper! He would never pull a stunt like the one HC pulled on whatshername.

Well, since the Cain Train passengers are now looking for a new vessel to ride, I suggest a test ride on the Yankee Gipper.

You know that it’s going to happen whether you want it to or not.

gekster

You are just beclowning yourself more than you already have.

jackdaniels11

I wish I knew more about you.

All I know so far is that you don’t like any republican who is running for president. You still haven’t told me which Republican is your “dream candidate”. We’ll limit your choices to living Republicans who are not in jail or awaiting pending criminal charges.

Also, which conservatives do you most admire? Living or dead?

There is something about you that makes me a bit suspicious of your motives.

gekster

be veeeery suspicious.
And whoever my favorite candidate is, it ain’t Mitt.
I pull to actual conservatives who don’t change thier positions for convenience or votes.
That definetly counts out Mittens.

acat

Your insipid pro-Romney cheerleading (Yankee Gipper? Sounds like a disease!) is strengthening my resolve to oppose Mitt Warmley.

Mew

gekster

All who are rinos.

acat

…although I would have expect Jack Daniels to know that, being from Tennessee and all.

Mew
jackdaniels11

But he had plenty of support in the South when he ran.

Not as much as Huckabee, but a substantial amount. Until the Southerners suddenly found out just how liberal Rudy G. was.

I’m not saying that everyone in the U.S. is going to like a Yankee candidate.

But he’s the best we got.

And if he’s a Yankee Gipper, then he should be as attractive in the South as the last non-Southern Republican to serve as President, the Gipper.
acat

Look, Mitt identified the winning strategy already. Silent running.

You’re not helping him.

Mew
http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

a conservative.

Yes, he maintained he was personally pro-life but pro-choice because of the state of the law, and he also laid out a judicial review group of solid pro-life conservatives who would be reviewing and recommending judicial appointments.

Rudy never fliped on any of these issues and he was willing to set procedures in motion as President that would have satisfied the vast majority of conservatives had he run a better campaign from the outset.

On fiscal issues, he was one of the most solid of the 08 group, and hands down better than Romney. Same on dealing with the left. Rudy beat them at their own game every time, Romney caves in and “negotiates” every time.
iidvbii

Who am I kidding I love busting your erm… Bubbles. The last NON SOUTHERN Republican President was W.. followed by HW…. While you can argue W was mostly raised in Texas and did later become governor… The same cannot be said for HW…. He was another of your Yankee’s…. That was fun wasn’t it? We should definitely elect another one of those guys. They are all so principled…. “Read My Lips”…. “No new healthcare mandates” oops sorry wrong “Yankee”….

jackdaniels11

I’m glad you’re against him.

It means that there will be more food for me at his victory party.

NeoKong

Happy as a pig in shi…..as they say.
You wallow in it so well.
What is your goal with all this ?

Are you having a genuine political discussion or are you flinging poo?
You should get a job on MSNBC.
You could be Joe Scarborough’s little genuine authentic RedState front pager with the “conservative” cred.
They would love you.
You and E.J. Dionne could high five each other as you tear down Herman Cain.

There are candidates I like and support and there are those I do not.
For example I do not care for Mitt Romney for reasons I have stated but I would not engage in the dirty work of the left and try to humiliate him and antagonize his supporters…like you.
That’s right.
You are helping the left with your vicious little smear party as you smear us all by engaging in this sort of gratuitous scandal mongering.
It is an embarrassment to this site.

To be quite frank I do not think this would be appropriate as a member diary let alone on the front page of what is supposed to the leading Republican and conservative website.
Are there no editorial standards here.
I would expect this sort crap on the DailyKos but not here.

I need a damn shower after reading this post and I will be mailing you a can of Febreeze for this rather pungent posting.

streiff

when I perform a public service out of pure altruism.

The problem is when you start treating a candidate as a demi-god you become vulnerable to depression when his or her flaws are laid bare. The Palinistas went through this. Remember all the invective heaped upon us here when we said that she wasn’t running because she didn’t have an organization and wasn’t on any ballots? The Obama backers are pissed that the earth isn’t cooling. The Rombots are angry because their guy is an unprinicipled hack who has only been successul at losing elections and sending American jobs to China and India. You Cainiacs have had your knickers in a knot ever since the idiocy of his 9-9-9 plan was discussed and we started looking at what this guy was saying and you are really mad now that this is coming out.

Feel for you, brother. Word of advice, don’t place your faith in men. They are fated to disappoint. Even when they speak in parables.

NeoKong

No politician is my demi-god Mr. poo boy.
If you can quote me making those sort of statements then do so otherwise why don’t you debate with me using my words and not someone else’s….?

What’s the matter ?
You can’t push your boy Perry over the finish line on his own merits?
You gotta’ go in the gutter and smear someone based on unnamed sources and innuendo?
Pathetic.
You are worse than the MSM.
At least they rally around their own instead of trying to split their own camp into divided parties.
They don’t pee on their own team.

So what’s next streiff….?
You knock down Cain and your man Perry sails to the front of the line ?
Good luck with that.
After you have spit in the face of Herman Cain and all his supporters are you going to ask them for money and support for Perry ?

You better hope they got a short memory.
You might get their vote but they will be squeezing their wallets tight.

jackdaniels11

Perry has to try to use personal attacks to win. That’s all he has.

retire05

Why don’t you tell me what state you live in so I can compare the debt, per capita debt, job creation, population increase and unemployment rate to Texas?
izoneguy

They have and in most cases they have backfired.

All the candidates have attacked one another.

Perry has been Governor of Texas for over 10 years because
he did win on his own merits.

Romney could not beat Ted Kennedy on his own merits.
Romney could not beat McCain in 2008 on his own merits.

Now what where you saying?
acat

It’s called stepping on his own {tongue}.

Cain has become the latest exemplar, alas.

Mew

(note how I ended your thread-jack by redirecting back to Cain?)
avagreen

What “personal attacks” has Perry mounted?
avagreen

Notice no answers, though???
sunshinek67

That scares Romney the Ruthless~

streiff

I have yet to ask anyone for money.

Personally, I don’t much care what you guys do. The real voters who have been supporting Cain will have to decide for themselves what they do.

The obvious fact is that for whatever strengths he may have, Cain is a recklessly undisciplined individual in both his private live and political life. He can’t control his own impulses to act or speak and I am baffled that anyone could think this is the type of man they want in the White House… especially anyone who lived through the Clinton years.

Cain isn’t on my team. He has already said he won’t support Perry if he wins the nomination so in my view he’s no different that Barack Obama in that regard. Thankfully, Cain isn’t going to be the nominee and we’ll take it from there.

retire05

Sean Hannity just announced that Herman Cain is going to be on his show AGAIN. That makes at least three times in the past week Cain has been on Hannity’s radio show.

Nah, no pimping there.
NeoKong

Finally some criticism of Cain that doesn’t involve rumor, innuendo and personal attacks.

I knew you could do it.
streiff

I have no doubt Cain is as guilty as hell on this. That’s the reason this story is going to stay on the front page. I have two daughters and I shudder at the thought of them working in an environment where droits du signeur is the standard practice.
NeoKong

Allegations….?

If Cain fall then he falls but I will wait until the whole story is revealed.
So far everything I have read is crap.
No names.
No witnesses we know of.
Everyone remaining anonymous.
The whole damn media is digging into this and they do not have one single person to come forward publicly.
That’s B.S.

Fer crissakes …even PJ media had to walk back two of it’s most salacious details with a correction.
Oops.
Maybe next time they will wait before they shoot their mouths off.
streiff

because that is the same line he used.

Are you seriously contending that because NDAs that Cain refuses to ask to be waived prevent the women from coming forward that this is anything less than an attempt by Cain to stonewall. At least one witness has been identified in the press.

The man is obviously attracted to women. On the whole that is a healthy change from a lot of politicians. But unfortunately he seems to be attracted to ones that work for him and he doesn’t seem to let being married stand in the way of that attraction. Those are problems. One is legal and one is for Mr and the absent-from-the-campaign-trail Mrs. Cain to discuss. But both are of concern to voters.

The technical term bandied about is “sexual harassment.” So long as Cain obstructs the NRA from releasing the investigations we are free to use our imagination.

This is like the spelling bee between Dan Quayle and Ted Kennedy where Quayle won because he knew harass was one word not two.
NeoKong

Bring it on.
Let’s get this show on the road.

It isn’t Cain hiding behind a NDA.
He didn’t bring this up.
It is not his responsibility to facilitate his accusers.
Let their genius attorneys figure it out.
Is this person going to be put in jail or something if she comes out and exactly who would pursue it….?
The NRA…..pffftt….
What’s Cain gonna’ do? Sue some woman during the middle of his campaign?
How do you even know that his personal request can override the legal agreement?
It’s a contract and he may not even be listed in it.

If some poor woman was so legitimately wronged that even now twelve years later she is still wounded then nothing should stop her.

Cain may be stumbling through this but this whole thing has a definite odor.
http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

to be tough.
rightwingmom52

I have a son, and I shudder at the thought of him working in an environment where women can and do make false accusations of harassment, sexual or otherwise, that could end up damaging his reputation and career,

No doubt you have raised your daughters so that they would not be the type to make any such false accusations, just as I have taught my son not to harass women. But there are men and women who are guilty of both.
avagreen

Don’t understand for the life of me why his supporters can’t see this as clearly.

??
daveoconnor

That is what used to be called a broad (no pun intended) statement.Voted most likely to suceed by his college mates, successful business man, married four decades, good talk show host. Man I’m really for him now. He must be the luckiest man alive. And as Napolean said, “Good generals yes, but lucky generals please.”

tngal

I’m the biggest watercarrier for cain on this board. Was before, still am. Streiff’s just pointing out the latest wrinkle. Oh wait..he missed a wrinkle..

Rasmussen–new poll today, surveyed yesterday.

“Georgia businessman Herman Cain, who continues to battle past allegations of sexual harassment, draws the most support nationally for the Republican nomination.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely GOP Primary voters shows Cain with 26% of the vote over former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney?s 23%. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich draws 14% support, with no other GOP contender reaching double-digits.”

Remember yesterday, Ras put out SC numbers taken after the scandal broke. Still Cain.
And these are Nataional. Still Cain.

RCP has the numbers. Ras has the story.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_republican_presidential_primary

clintonformccain

Cain still leading in polling Wed nght after three days of trainwreck, proving that the Republican voters really are bat quano crazy.

tngal

next new form of bio energy. Or something. So don’t knock the guano. Plus it makes an excellent bug repellant, and a darn fine laxative. So I’m told.

perry4prez

nt

avagreen

news, thinking it’s fair and balanced.

NOT!!

avagreen

we’d all be mad at President Hillary Clinton right now for the economy being in the tank.

avagreen

Here’s what it says:
Among all voters nationally, 39% believe the allegations against Cain are at least somewhat likely to be serious and true, while 38% disagree.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_republican_presidential_primary
jackdaniels11

hold up.

The fact that Cain hasn’t yet agreed to let her out of the NDA that he seemingly already violated is very telling.
tngal

to let her of the NDA. He recused himself (rightly so) when she went before the board. The board has already said the severance pay was as a result of her allegatons but also because of other issues they had with her as well. They didn’t elaborate. If part of it gets out, it all gets out.
izoneguy

I wonder what this lobby will require of a potential President Cain to put this matter to rest?
Scope

this afternoon, and I am paraphraising. Conservatives should be offended that the fact that there were in fact sexual harassment charges leveled against Cain, to the point that the Restaurant Assoc. paid in the area of $80,000 to keep hushed, and that now Cain is having his biggest fundraising days is outreageous. It is outreageous that Cain is pointing the finger, and blaming everyone, with no proof or evidence, and in essence deflecting the story away from himself should give everyone pause.

I’m just hearing that Cain was on Hannity’s radio show, and has once again said that the claims against him were baseless, and then went into a tirade against Politico and everyone else, including the lawyer for one of the accusers. Cain said the lawyer was just trying to make money off the scandal. The lawyer responded that if that were the case, he would be accepting the tons of TV appearances he has been asked to do, but has refused them all. Politico responded that Cain is making things up along the way with the communications between them and the Cain camp. The Cain camp pressured Politico to tell them who leaked the info to them, but they refused to give him any of their sources.
izoneguy

Cain was not running for President…..

Cain acts as if someone traveled back into the past and made this up
now that he is running for President….

Did these women have a portal into the future and could see that in
the later part of 2011 Cain would be running for President?
So back almost 20 years ago these women are thinking
“Hey I am going to file a sexual harassment charge against
Cain so I can clean up 20 years from now when he runs for
President”. Cain is giving the Mitt Romney response -
“I cannot have these old sexual harassment charges dredged up,
I am running for office for Pete’s sake!”

To me it looks more like a hit job from the left because has Scope pointed out,
Cain is a threat to the left’s dependent base. Regardless where the leak
came from – Cain was involved in something and only making it worse.
But the way his camp has gone after Rick Perry just crosses a line.
Scope

There is no question that Politico is in the bag for Obama and the liberals. I’ve read that the head of Politico, Jonathan Martin?, was a one time Soros employee.

What is the goal of the left, disrupt and disparage every GOP candidate. The politics of personal destruction is what they said they would do this year against every GOP candidate.

There is no question that some of the NRA board members are leftists. And then some have contributed to Romney, and some past members are on the Perry campaign. Not good for Obama. Let’s see what dirt we can dig up. Bingo, there is some real dirt here to be exploited against Cain.

Cain, inexperienced and everything else with a disorganized campaign, no staff to speak of, inexperienced, and highly vulnerable. Let’s exploit this story against the current unforseen frontrunner. We got him, no matter what.

Cain handles the whole thing so badly it isn’t even funny. No question about that. He risks every other GOP candidate with his bungling. The left is literally saying that Cain can bring down the whole Republican party with his handling of the situation. Many on the right are saying the same. I agree he can.

Politico portrays the entire GOP as so incompetent they should never be elected to anything. Obama is more experienced than Cain, the frontrunner, as well as the rest of the field.

What say you?
izoneguy

So let’s make sure that Cain does not bring down the Republican party.

Rush, Hannity, Levin – can you hear us now?

Cain will not be the nominee. When you prop him up
you help Romney. I know Rush & Levin are not for Romney.

Mark Levin, you are going to have to come to terms with Rick Perry
and his in-state tuition.

Rush you need to drop Cain and his radio spots.

You boys better get on the Rick Perry bandwagon or risk
four more for Obama…..unless that is what you really want?
tyman

the other 68% say something could come up to change their candidate.
red_oakster

Without a real live accuser, Cain can play the victim card until the circus that is the media gets tired and moves on.

Without a serious corroborated accusation, Cain will remain a leading contender.

streiff

I don’t believe they are all that useful at this stage.

You can get the best coverage on polls at http://unlikelyvoter.com/

retire05

after Herman Cain did not have sex with that woman, Miss Whateverhernameis?

jackdaniels11

And you can, too!

Crash71234

He’s changing his story on the fly.

This line is already changed:

Afterwards, Mr. Cain allegedly took the woman by taxi to his apartment, where she spent the night and woke up in his bed.

Simon’s anonymous source must not have been in the room and isn’t sure if she woke up in his bed.

Darn libel. Won’t let you print just anything.

streiff

that is the original story.

Crash71234

He changed it to:

” Afterwards, Mr. Cain allegedly took the woman by taxi to his apartment, where she spent the night and woke up.”

They didn’t have the integrity to tell the readers of the slippery change. You’ll have to go back every 10 minutes to see the changes.

If the story is dirty on it’s own, why do bloggers have to make up “details”.
Crash71234

Newest version:

(CORRECTIONS: A previous version of this story mentioned that a source witnessed Cain and the woman entering a taxi together. This was incorrect.

The previous version also mentioned that the woman awoke in Cain?s bed ? the source only claimed that the woman awoke in Cain?s apartment.

The previous version incorrectly attributed comments from one source to the other source.)

streiff

thaniks
Tbone

I would have screwed the snot out her and not cared where she woke up. What do you think Cain did?

tngal

for the sex much earlier today, but—better late than never as they say.

However, when I asked for the servi – um, evidence I meant it in Re: to the multitudes of women who are all of a sudden finding that their virtues were compromised. Either by Mr. Cain uttering a word within earshot or getting within a 2000 foot radius of them.

eabjr

The trouble with this gossip page is it has removed itself from the original claim and story: there were NOT overtly sexual gestures, but those which made one “uncomfortable”. There was a settlement and it was over….This new so called sex inclusion is in direct opposition to what all parties settled years ago….too many years for this STUPID and IRRELEVANT thing to be given this much air time now. Let’s move on and get a life…The truth will come out…

tngal

And here I thought I was going to get what I requested in my post from oh so long ago. And now it is snatched away.

No sex, and no cigarette.

Wondering what’s causing PJ to do all the recanting. I know everyone wants Cain to implode, but I think the whole smear is about to implode.

And–I’m taking my tip back off the nightstand.

Still on the Cain Train.

izoneguy

Cain needs to be cut loose…..

If you support him, the conservative movement suffers.

Some Republicans won’t care.

I urge Rush, Hannity & Levin to stop propping up the Cain campaign.

jackdaniels11

How the Dems got away with protecting The Swimmer and then nearly nominating that guy as their presidential candidate in 1980 is beyond my comprehension.

They have no morals and no shame.

We have to cut Cain loose. He can repent on his own time and rehabilitate his character. He needs some Nixon time in the wilderness before he comes back. If he comes back.

tpnoga1

I can’t believe people actually think Perry is the answer. He isn’t. I have not decided who I will vote for, but it won’t be Perry.

I used to like him a lot. I used to live in Texas and suffered through Anne Richards, but he is an empty suit. I don’t have a single friend in TX who is conservative supporting Perry. (Honestly, I am not a fan of anyone right now). I will probably end up voting for Gingrich just because he is the smartest of the bunch (bad personality though). My family is split between Cain and Huntsman (they live in Utah).

Plus, he is an Aggy and I will not have an Aggy in the White House.

izoneguy

Conservatives I know are all in for Perry.

Dozens & dozens of business people I know are supporting Perry 110%.
They know Texas cannot survive 4 more of bama…..

And they know Cain & Romney would be a disaster for the Republican party.

You watch, Newt will be Perry’s VP.

Huntsman?

avagreen

stonewall completely nutz over the guy.
I’ve run into some detractors that are ill-informed (and I’ve run into a few that are completely ignorant of the facts when quizzed about their knowledge and just take what they hear on TV like FOX). But, the majority are for him.

acat

He’s put out solid plans, he’s clearly got government-executive and campaign-trail experience, he took on the machine (KBH) and won, he stood up to the legislature when needed (Amazon tax) and backed down when needed (Gardasil) …

We could do a lot worse than Rick Perry. I don’t see where we could do much better.

Mew

jackdaniels11

Which is one of the main reasons why I won’t be supporting him this year.

I’m in the tank for the Yankee Gipper.
streiff

now. stop it.

tpnoga1

My friends live in Dallas and are libertarian leaning Republicans. I know they were for Kay in the GOP primary. But, he’s still an Aggy….blech. Can we really trust our nation to an Aggy yell leader?!?!

One woman I know HATES him with a passion I can’r describe. She has hated him since the whole HPV thing happened. She will not forgive him.

P.S. – whoever our nominee is I want Rubio for VP.

acat

As for the HPV thing, does your lady friend know that, unlike in several other States including California, Perry included an easy opt-out? Does she further know that no Texan children were actually vaccinated under Perry’s order?

I can see hating Perry for being an Aggy, but .. do you really want another Yankee?

Mew
retire05

six weeks after graduation?

BOSS.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

knew…
rightwingmom52

mouth, but I think he meant University of Texas. The Tennessee version of that joke is between Volunteers and Commodores, the latter typically being the “Boss”.
retire05

there IS that other UT. Perhaps I should have said “T-sippers.”
http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

then you must say those words. South Carolina, on the other hand, may be referred to as Carolina and/or USC.
retire05

why?

UT means only one thing to me. Perhaps you should worry about how you respond to things, and not be so critical of others over a college nickname.
acat

You’re writing for more than just a Texas audience.

If I say PSU, I’m clear about whether I mean the Gorillas, the Braves, the Vikings, or the Nittany Lions.

Clarity matters.

Mew
http://www.tinfoilhelicopter.com lunaticrex

PSU only means the Nittany Lions to me. Alabama has a long-standing rivalry with JoePa’s side. I don’t know why, but it has always been thus, at least in my personal version of ‘always.’

As a conservative, however, PSU means something else, something ominous. Public Sector Union.

I’ll stick with the Lions. But maybe we could set up a friendly game between the Tide and the 33 biggest supporters of THOSE PSU’s. Loser quits playing for good. Who takes that one, I ask you? Yes, that’s right. No more PSU’s.

Roll Tide!

/threadjack

I was on the Cain train for a while, before he started talking so much to other people. He isn’t all that good at it when he is being asked questions that hurt. This issue is somewhat disturbing, but i find myself having trouble getting past his foreign policy ignorance. When he made the comment on the “right of return,” I was initially stunned, but got over it thinking he could brush up, hire foreign policy wonks, and get it right.

Then, he seems to have said China doesn’t have a nuclear capability. I say “seems to” because of the post yesterday (forget who, sorry) about this issue, and a lot of commenters were trying to explain it away. I cannot understand why any American, much less any conservative, with any sort of understanding of the world around him, would not know this. One shouldn’t require advice to learn China’s navy is brown-water, either.

So, now I’m waffling between Perry/Gingrich. On that last, I can scarcely believe I just typed it. But there it is.
http://www.tinfoilhelicopter.com lunaticrex

This space intentionally left blank.
http://www.tinfoilhelicopter.com lunaticrex

…and I’ve had plenty of coffee.
rightwingmom52

But like some other answers you get, you’re probably not gonna like it.

To those of us in the SEC, it’s the only conference that matters. UT is the University of Tennessee, and USC is the University of South Carolina.

SEC teams hold 7 of 13 BSC Championships, including the last 5, one of the best being when the Crimson Tide rolled right over Texas in 2009.

Chances are we’ll be making that 8 of 14 this year.
acat

(gonna get me in trouble with the Auburn-supporting side of the family…)

Mew
tpnoga1

I am both Big XII and SEC. Baylor for undergrad and Florida for Graduate School.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

I’ll never fergit!
tpnoga1

…to Oklahoma?

The average IQ of BOTH states gets higher.
retire05

Because Oklahoma sucks.
tpnoga1

I have some Arkansas jokes, but not with mixed company.
jrmax13

Visitor in the Panhandle: “Does the wind always blow this way?”
“No,” replied his host, “sometimes it blows the other way.”
izoneguy

And not only that acat….

My friends in California are now reading up on HPV.
California will now start offering children as young as 12
to get HPV shots without parental consent….
So much for parents rights.
But my friends (who are conservatives in CA)
actually don’t have a problem with their daughters
getting the HPV shots. I guess it’s different stokes for
different folks.
acat

between HPV and cancers in men …

Seems to me, Perry was right.

Mew
tpnoga1

about the vaccination, but boy my friend did. Yikes, you would have thought Perry killed her dog. Personally, I am just not impressed with Perry. I think he is a good guy, but not sure he is up to the job. Of course, I am not thrilled with any of them actually. I live in Atlanta, so I am familiar with both Cain and Gingrich. I like Cain a lot, but not for President. I would vote for him in a NY second for Governor or Senator (especially if it ousts the RINO’s we have in there now). I just don’t think he is ready for prime time.
izoneguy

Cain shows me nothing.
He is a negative.
I do not see why people get fired up for him.
acat

Cain represents an existential threat to the Dem coalition.

Perry does not.

Mew
avagreen

Gawd!

What idiocy.
Who inane conservative female speaker said “Our black is better than your black?”

What a holy hell of a mess is this is what elections have come down to.

Cain is a flipflopping idiot. Same for Romney. I’ll take Perry on his worst day to any of the dullards I just mentioned. And, I don’t a holy (word deleted) what the color of any of them is!
acat

I have remained a Perry supporter, but I am not so blind as to miss the strengths of other candidates.

Even Romney.

Mew
avagreen

Was directed at the level that this race is being run.

Please stop with the saracasm, doesn’t do you service.
acat

And sarcasm is just one of the several services I provide.

I get that you’re a frustrated Perry supporter. Welcome to the club!

The fact is, there are advantages to nominating Herman Cain that nominating Rick Perry don’t bring. And yes, the matter of Cain’s skin tone matters. Saying otherwise is wishful thinking.

This cat still thinks Perry’s the best candidate. He’s got the best overall record, successful campaigner, well-vetted (by KBH), good economic background and plans, decent international relations record…

I’ve said before and stand by it – the real race was to see whether Cain or Perry would step on their {tongue} first. Well, sure looks like Cain’s tongue has a boot print or two on it.

Perry can consolidate, but he’s got to do decently in the debates and start some buzz before Thanksgiving or he and the turkey will both be done.

Mew
avagreen

Believe me or not, I was responding to the general direction the race is going if Cain is to be considered the best candidate based upon the color of his skin. Don’t like it and was commenting on “that”.

Your mere remarking about that doesn’t mean that I think you were advocating it.

Don’t get me confused with other posters here, ‘k?

As far as sarcasm, I can do it with the best but choose to do it carefully after I’ve established myself. Even then, I use it sparingly……men can get away with it better.

Vous faire me comprend?
acat

I don’t entirely agree, but I do understand.

I keep hoping for that day when the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners can attend a Georgia barbecue. Had Cain been who he represented himself as … alas.

Hindsight is fine but I’m more interested in looking ahead. How do we help the refugees from the Cain Train over toward Perry?

Mew
wbf

Je ne savais pas que vous parliez francais.

Je n’ai pas de clavier pour la langue francaise mais vous pouvez me comprendre.

acat=unchat
avagreen

merci.
westcoastpatriette

What’s your take on Cain’s disdain for Perry? Think there is more to it than we know? Just wonderin’ how you see it.
acat

Not directly, and I’m not going hunting for it but .. he says it’s old, personal, and not likely reconcilable.

I’ll take his word on it for now, but would wager that if Perry manages to pull up and Cain continues to come apart, it’ll come out… especially if it hurts Perry.

Mew

jrmax13

I, along with several other Texans I know, consider themselves to be conservatives and are not supporting Governor Rick Perry. See how polite I am behaving? I can be civil. I’m calm, cool, and collected.

retire05

considering that Rick Perry has been wise enough to stay out of the way of Texans creating jobs and our legislature not taxing our socks off, if you are supporting someone else, I here by revoke your Texas citizenship. Feel free to move to Illinois.

Oh, that those “several other Texans” you know that are not going to support Governor Perry, care to share where they live? Hell, care to share what part of Texas you live in? Why do I think it just may be in Austin or Houston?
jrmax13

Re-tread, you are way off base. I am about as rural out here as you can get out here. I own a ranch not far from Crawford. Maybe you’ve heard of the area. So, basically – Central Texas (home of Perry’s alma mater Texas Agriculture & Mechanical). Anyway, no need to revoke my TX citizenship because I am leaving for greener pastures (without drought) 2,000 miles North! You see, retire05 — you PerryPhiles tend to demonize everybody else in the party that do not or cannot support Perry soley. Ideological Tunnel Vision leads to darkness. Your knee-jerk, jump to conclusions idea that I (or any other Constitutional Conservative) would want to move to a train wreck like Illinois is laughable. By the way, the second ranch is in a Tax-Free State as well.
retire05

a dialog without name calling, the only thing I have to say about you leaving Texas is:

don’t let the door smack you where the Good Lord cracked you.

re-tread? The only person that ever called me that was on another blog by a rapib Paulbot. Thought I recognized the odor you emit.
avagreen

That’s all this guy does.

Hinz rule.
jrmax13

Anybody who disagrees with avagreen is put on Troll Alert. Actually, it is anybody that is not falling all over themselves to boost Governor Rick Perry (R). I cannot believe how easy it is for ava to steer this site section. I suppose I will be called a rapscallion for pointing this out.
retire05

don’t just leave Texas, leave RedState.
jrmax13

Are you positive retire05 is not a “puppet” account for avagreen? Alright retire05, choose: Lover or Houseboy — you can’t be both. Are you Ava’s lover or houseboy? Which is it going to be?

haroldhervey

This dust-up involving the alleged sexual harassment charges against Herman Cain provided a golden opportunity for Conservatives to show Americans why our message and temperament are superior to that of Republicans, Democrats and liberals.

Dropping that old, hackneyed, knee jerk ?Race Card? on the body politic is what all those limp-wristed liberals do when they can?t develop a reasoned, rational point.

It?s not what Conservatives should do. It?s not what Cain should be doing either.

The media didn?t expose Newt Gingrich?s $250K Tiffany?s credit line because they think he?s a Georgia redneck. They did it because he?s a Conservative. The Washington Post didn?t run that silly hit piece about Marco Rubio?s parents because he?s Cuban. They did it because he?s a Conservative. The media didn?t vilify Sarah Palin because she?s a woman. They did it because she?s an attractive, articulate Conservative. The media didn?t highlight that offensive rock at Rick Perry?s hunting lodge because they think he?s a racist. They did it because he?s a Conservative.

And Politico isn?t running the Herman Cain story because he?s Black. They?re doing it because he?s a Conservative. End of story.

We conservatives must remain on sound intellectual footing if our legitimate criticisms of Obama and the liberal agenda are to be taken seriously. Liberals play the ?Race Card? every time someone takes legitimate issue with Obama?s left-of-center policies. They play it – EVERY TIME – because they have no logical or substantive responses to those challenges.

If Conservatives now succumb to that same simple-minded temptation, we lose the moral and intellectual high ground by swimming in that liberal swamp.

If Conservatives rightly criticize liberals for always playing the ?Race Card?, then we must not use it either. It?s a weak, vapid and totally ineffective contrivance anyway. People who play it are just admitting they?ve lost the debate.

jackdaniels11

Cain is not a victim of racism, he’s a perpetrator of Clintonian womanizing.

He’s got to go. Quickly. And without any rancor against his Republican friends.

eabjr

The trouble with this gossip page is it has removed itself from the original claim and story: there were NOT overtly sexual gestures, but those which made one ?uncomfortable?. There was a settlement and it was over?.This new so called sex inclusion is in direct opposition to what all parties settled years ago?.too many years for this STUPID and IRRELEVANT thing to be given this much air time now. Let?s move on and get a life?The truth will come out?

avagreen

Unless you’re a man.

Bill S

Me, a 50-yr-old male, to a 25-yr-old sweet young thing: “Would you like to come up to my room?” I doubt she’ll think that I want to play dominoes with her… I can guarantee you my wife wouldn’t accept that explanation.

tyman

have a secretary or someone else so that he would NEVER be alone with a woman for her to later make accusations. And that was years before harassment, etc. became well known.

That’s good advice!

easyb

I was a youth pastor for a couple years, and heard that very thing about Graham that you mention. During my time there, I followed the same policy. Our staff also had mandatory open door policies, and everyone had a window in their door. Bummer to have to do that, but it makes good sense. Why open yourself to accusation or temptation?

jackdaniels11

dropped some quarters under his desk and Monica was just helping him find them. Somehow, a stain showed up.

Marcus_Traianus

trying to figure out the lesser of all evils;

- A sexual pervert/molester
- A career flip-flopper (i.e fraud)/national healthcare founder
- An illegal immigrant lover/porky pig style debater
- A ditzy congresswoman
- A church of global warming acolyte

Decisions, decisions. Who will face the admitted cocaine user, church of hate member, destroyer of US economy, historic unemployment lord, terrorist be-friender, king of trillion dollar deficits, liberty stealing, Constitution ignoring, in over his head, military destroying- boy king?

Hmmmmmm.

Ausonius

Conservatives need to realize that they are the leaders, and that any man or woman in the White House of their choice will need to become – or be forced to become – as strong and principled as the Conservatives behind that choice.

Even Romney can be maneuvered into supporting truly Conservative ideas and legislation. But only by principled Conservative Republicans in the House and Senate and by pressure from the electorate.

Your list is of course disheartening, and if you read the background to Ausonius below, you will see what a lack of leadership and a lack of vigilant energy can result in.

I am not willing to let America enter into a parallel with Rome’s last centuries.
jackdaniels11

“career flip-flopper”.

The Yankee Clipper has always, always been personally opposed to abortion. Early in his political career (from 1994, where all the bad clips come from to about 2003), he believed that individual liberty (libertarian liberty) was more important that the rights of the unborn to live.

Then, when he was pressured by the Dems to support stem cell (aka “human cloning”) research, he realized that this was a bridge that, once crossed, would lead to a market for fetus cells, which is unacceptable to him and to every other conscientious individual.

After that pushed him over the edge, he began to be more assertive about conservative values that he had mainly kept to himself in 1994 and 2002. He campaigned against gay marriage in 2002. In 2004 and 2006, he lobbied the U.S. Congress to pass a Defense of Marriage Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

YG is rock solid on family values, taxes, and repealing Obamacare.

I can’t stomach the thought of watching Perry stumble through every debate on his way to an early retirement. It galls me.

acat

That’d let him have a keel on both sides of every issue, y’see.

Mitt. Changed. His. Position. For. Political. Convenience.

Mew
gekster

that he would grant waivers to the individual mandate, leaving all the new taxes in place.
You can’t get around that.
And I thought he was the yankee gipper, not yankee clipper.
that does fit better, as he will clip all conservatism from the country.
Marcus_Traianus

Mr. Romney has changed positions more than a lady of the night on Super Bowl weekend. There is plenty of factual evidence to support that.

His flip-flopping probably represents the thickest part of Democrats opposition research book and Romney’s biggest vulnerability. Besides that whole health care, don’t look behind the curtain thing.

I can’t wait to see Obama’s billion dollar campaign fund ride the Mane Man like Secretariat using these issues.

Marcus_Traianus

That was late breaking in the SFC, so I missed it. Apparently he was drink at a speech in NH.

So now we have sexual predators, drunks, global warming fanatics and nitwits.

But let’s not come together and fight back. Let’s keep the cannibalism going! Yeah!

avagreen

……..held at a Christian event?

Maybe they have, and I’ve just missed it??
**crickets**

http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

I so defend! smile

swamphermit

Are we going to get a correction on this post?

streiff

thanks.

johnt

Did they do it standing up in the kitchen? She was distraught, several days later!! Well distraughtness, like a cold, does take time to settle in. Was she distraught getting into the car, is it possible this was consenual? I’ll have to do some mulling on this knotty conundrum.
From PJ, I love the self identified conservative who asks, “who would you believe, an exec or a mid-level staffer”? How would you like that ass—- sitting on a jury for your trial.
I wonder what Obama is up to, is he still president?
Scope

All these years she probably believed that he was accused of something that wasn’t true. Now the details start coming out. If they’re true, Cain may not only be looking at a divorce from the GOP nomination, but one at home as well. I’ve wondered why his entire family has not come out with any statements backing him up. Hmmm.
jackdaniels11

The public humiliation felt by the average woman when she is confronted with facts like this about her husband is bad enough. But for her to go through this as publicly as she is going through it is horrible.

Hillary had to try so hard to make the story sound like she was surprised in 1998 to learn that her husband was a pervert and a creep. Her entire account of it sounds like it was written by a ghost writer whose written a few “chick lit” novels.
funwithknives

his wife and family are to be minimized as far as publicity is concerned {HATE saying it, but see the latest *People* Magazine}
If she or they DO speak up, when would THAT Stop? {The Tenth of Never?}
I met Herman in Lansing Mi, back in April (admittedly briefly) and thought highly of him then and still do now. But keepin’ it together does not seem to be a strong suit for him, and does not bode well.
There is not even any real pressure yet and This Is The Best He’s Got? {Heavy Sigh, on my part}

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