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Losers. It’s What They Do.

whine. moan. complain.

Every political party has its bogeymen. The left live in fear of finding one of the Koch brothers in the bedroom closet or a Diebold machine in the voting booth. The right fears the media. Now that the primary field is being whittled down to plausible and implausible candidates, a cry is rising from the implausible and their supporters that the media, not the voters, are choosing the GOP candidate for president.

Michele Bachmann just weighed in on “Debategate,” telling Whispers that the media is trying to pick the Republican presidential winner, cutting voters out of the process.

“There’s always a suspicion of maybe a bias and I guess this just confirmed it,” she said of a CBS memo before Saturday’s debate, which suggested that the Minnesota Republican congresswoman would be ignored during the foreign policy chatfest.

The memo, she said, “demonstrates that the media wants to choose who our nominee will be and who the next president of the United States will be.”

After Herman Cain’s EPIC editorial board session with the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, his supporters are making the same claim.

This is just wrong. While I wouldn’t deny that the media favors candidates of both parties in a flavor-of-the-week style, I’ve seen no evidence that they are terribly successful or adept at actually picking them. In 2000, John McCain was the media favorite. In 2008, Mitt Romney held that mantle. For 2004, John Kerry was the triumph of electability as the media swooned in quick succession over John Edwards, Wesley Clark, and Howard Dean.

Bachmann’s argument seems to believe that the little attention paid to her in the last debates is an effort by the media to crush her candidacy. To the contrary, the little attention paid to her is a function of her campaign that is about one degree away from rigor mortis. Why is she in that postion? Because the media gave her a soapbox in an earlier debate and she marginalized herself. The Milwaukee JS invited Herman Cain to an editorial board session because they were under the illusion that he was a serious candidate. If his self-swirly didn’t disabuse them of that notion, nothing will.

The media didn’t make Rick Perry forget his points. The media hasn’t made Romney take at least three positions on every issue of interest to conservatives. The media didn’t put Newt Gingrich on the sofa with Nancy Pelosi. All the media can do is work with the material the candidates give them.

The media only likes one thing more than a good story: selling a story whether good or bad. If anything, the failing of the debates, other than there being one every night, is that implausible candidates like Huntsman, Bachmann, Santorum, and Paul are still invited. It is hard to reconcile this clown car aspect of the debates with a desire by the media to do anything but have more debates to cover.

This whining and caviling about the media choosing a candidate is ridiculous. It is an excuse made by losers and for losers.

COMMENTS

  • tailfins1959

    Some like one candidate, others like another. Why chase off anybody? All will be helpful in the general election.

    • streiff

      are you commenting on the right story?

      • tailfins1959

        Why annoy supporters of Bachmann, Cain or Perry by calling them “losers”?

        • streiff

          and the only ones I’m calling losers are those who are blaming everyone but their own candidate… or themselves… for their current predicament.

        • Tbone

          not everyone gets a trophy.

          There are losers but you are an idiot if you are putting Perry in that group

          • tailfins1959

            Every declared GOP Presidential candidate is viable for SOME political office. Even Ron Paul wouldn’t do Iran’s bidding like the current occupant.

            “The media didn?t make Rick Perry forget his points.”

            Perry is indeed part of the group being referred to in the story. Re-read it if you missed it.

          • streiff

            would make Obama’s look downright aggressive.

            Has Perry claimed the media are out to stop his candidacy? Want to provide a link? As I wrote the story and presumably know what it is about I missed that factoid.

          • tailfins1959

            One might presume you were referring to Perry’s supporters. I will just ask, what did you mean? I was just taking the text at face value.

          • streiff

            camps and two candidates blaming the media. If you have more, let me know and I’ll update.

          • aesthete

            but she’s been all over that:

            “It’s been a rough month. We have been brutalized and beaten up and chewed up in the press to where I need this today. We are being brutalized by our opponents, and our own party. So much of that is, I think, they look at him because of his faith. He is the only true conservative – well, there are some true conservatives. And they’re there for good reasons. And they may feel like God called them too. But I truly feel like we are here for that purpose.”

            Rick Perry agreed, saying, “I think she’s right on both cases.”

            I’ve seen Ron Paul (heh), Gary Johnson, Newt Gingrich, and some others make similarly pathetic statements of media persecution.

          • pdawk

            every single early state poll I have seen.

  • johnconradarens

    Having won the Iowa straw-poll.

    Which, actually, is a big bunch of nothing… BUT: Not a single REAL vote has been cast yet, and thus, there are no winners and losers. Bachmann’s point, though, is a good one: Each candidate in a debate should be given, roughly, the same amount of time, polling be damned. Otherwise, these stupid contests will remain in perpetuity a contest of Whomever Has the Name Recognition to start off with, VS. Everyone Else.

    That’s bad for the GOP and bad for voters.

    • streiff

      there have been dozens of straw polls so far this year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_polls_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012

      and strictly speaking none of them count for anything.

      And her point is a silly one. There is no logical reason that what Jon Huntsman says is a useful to GOP primary voters, or the general public, as what Mitt Romney says. One is an implausible candidate the other may very well be the nominee.

      • johnconradarens

        Let’s just take a couple of polls, and to heck with everything else? It sure would save us a lot of time and money. In fact, why don’t we just have the folks that TAKE the polls choose the winners, and have them appoint the president?

        I’m glad that Huntsman isn’t anywhere near the nomination, but, by this polling standard, Snookie WOULD be, because she’s known by more people. How silly is that?

        Perhaps Bachmann, et al, would be doing better if they were put center-stage, and given half the debate time. I suspect probably so. Should we test this theory, or just take the word of all the 32-year old television producers?

        • acat

          (cheshire grin)

        • streiff

          the debates and elections.

          1 There have been more than “couple of polls”.

          2. Snookie is not running for the GOP nomination. Rick Santorum is. Which do you think has a better chance of getting the nomination.

          3. You don’t get “center stage” and “half the debate time” when there are 7 or 8 candidates.

          32 year old television producers aren’t setting the rules or schedule for this. The GOP is. Really. It is. The original rules would have excluded Huntsman, Santorum, and Bachmann from the last debate. I don’ think the Republic would have suffered.

          So you have a choice, do you want 8 people on the stage, 4 of which, at best, are non-entities and listen to all their views equally? Or do you give the viable candidates more of a chance to speak?

          • johnconradarens

            That’s my point. Why bother with all this polling, when we simply KNOW that Mitt Romney is going to be the nominee, and have known it since November 12, 2008? Just let Our Betters choose our nominee…

            Things sure get awful messy up there with all eight candidates. Let’s just have two. Better yet, let’s have one, with the ballot box in the middle of the room, marked “Mitt Romney” with Red Guard Troops surrounding it, to make sure we get our ballots into the slot.

            We have time to watch the most banal television for years and years, and yet, we can’t seem to get substantive time to watch those who would be our leaders. Strange.

            And, they’re a Bunch of Losers for Demanding Equal Time. Ship ‘em off to the gulag.

          • streiff

            every poll I’ve seen shows Mitt can’t break 25%..

            So what is your complaint? That Mitt is inevitable? Or that there aren’t enough candidates?

            Do you hate Mormons or something?

          • johnconradarens

            What on earth made you jump to this antagonism?

            I thought your whole point was to showcase ONLY those candidates that poll well, even if they CAN’T break 25%. It would seem to me, though, if these debates were set up as I’ve suggested, this would seem all the more reason to just give everyone the same amount of time, even if it’s twenty candidates, and the thing goes on for four hours.

            We’re not talking about choosing a Value Meal here. We’re talking about choosing a leader.

            There are channels dedicated to Home Improvement, for gosh sake– Why can’t we dedicate more than a few minutes to folks that have done their due dilligence, and are campaigning for President? And why all the antipathy and name-calling?

          • Bill S

            That’s why they’re where they are now. The “Gardasil causes retardation” queen dug her own electoral grave with her imbecilic comments and refusal to back down. Huntsman and Santorum have just looked pathetically weak in the prior debates, and RuPaul never fails to disappoint in bringing the crazy at some point during every event.

            They had their chances…multiple times. It’s time to winnow down the debate crew and stick with actual, serious candidates.

          • johnconradarens

            Bachmann was simply passing along an anecdotal account of an audience member. It is simply following the laziness of the broadcast media to recount that as her endorsing the story. Further, in subsequent debates, she’s made that point quite clear.

            Barack Obama makes imbecilic comments all day, every day, and yet we accept the narrative that only Conservative Republicans make such statements. I don’t get it, especially on “conservative” websites. What is it about Republicans that they are so willing to leave our injured on the battlefield? Does it make you feel all warm and fuzzy to call your own philosophical compatriots “losers”?

            The leftist NEVER, EVER do this…

          • streiff

            is a double edged sword.

            She made a boneheaded statement to try to bludgeon Rick Perry and has been held to account. That alone makes her unsuitable for public office.

          • Bill S

            Bachmann killed herself by her incessant blathering about this, and even after it was made CRYSTAL CLEAR to her and everyone else that it is basically impossible for Gardasil to do what she was claiming via her “anecdotal report”, she doubled down on it.

            I don’t give a rip if it was her first-hand claim or someone else’s. That is irrelevant. She used it in a public debate as if it were the gospel truth, and it made her look like an utter fool.

            And it’s absurd for you to contend that anyone is claiming that just those on the conservative side say stupid things. That Obama does it is completely irrelevant here.

            Now, if you’d like to quote where i used the word “loser”, please do so. Or you can apologize for putting words in my mouth. Your choice.

          • johnconradarens

            For the reasons I stated. Valuable front-page space is dedicated to another conservative-ripper. Where’s the post on Obama’s rigid adherence to water-boarding, or to the CNS News postings about Elena Kagan and the lies that she’s not an Obamacare booster? No, we are treated to more self-flagellation on the Right, instead…

            And, you are posting responses in support of streiff’s “loser” comments. This is guilt by (written) association, so, yes, I apologize.

          • Bill S

            It so happens that this is primary season and we are rightfully focused upon that. If you don’t care for it, you might be in the wrong place.

          • johnconradarens

            It would get promoted right to the Front Page, wouldn’t it?

            About one story or editorial column each week or two gets promoted from the Diaries nowadays; which is really unfortunate, because many of the Diary Writers have well-written, well researched material.

            Do you work for the Anti-Marketing Department, or what?

          • Bill S

            I work for the “Redstate Moderator” department (for no pay, even), which means I get to decide which smart-ass commenters get booted and which stay…

            If you write something cogent and relevant enough that we think it’s worth promoting, it’ll get there. I promote quite a few of them. Your better bet is to impress your fellow commenters, who can recommend the diaries to the top of the “Recommended Diaries” box. They last a lot longer at the top that way.

          • johnconradarens

            I’ve traveled up the list a time or two, so I get it. My observation (which, that and a $1.50 will buy you a cup of coffee at Dunkin’ Donuts), though, is that the promotion of Diaries over the last six to eight months has declined– and, I say that not for my benefit, but for some of the other Diary folks that do some quality work, put a lot of time and effort into their stuff, and it just falls off the bottom of the list.

            Anyway, sorry if I’ve caused any offense. It wasn’t on my list of things to do today…

          • papabear

            Bachmann invented her “anecdotal account of an audience member”. More than one person has reviewed the video from that night and no unknown person was with Bachmann long enough to tell the supposed Retardasil story.
            I cannot support candidates that invent stories. It offends me even more when I would have to take a stupid pill to believe the story. If you research her history, you will find out that Bachmann has a longstanding reputation of not having a monogamous relationship with the truth.

          • aesthete

            next time I relate an anecdotal story from the home-unburdened gentlemen on Broadway about the time that aliens inserted a probe into his rectum.

          • streiff

            Who in their right mind is going to watch more debates or longer debates? If you are unemployed or independently wealthy and the empty hours are a burden, then I can see it.

            My view is the debates are a waste of time. I’ve been amused but not enlightened by them. Like Bond’s martinis they have left me shaken, not stirred.

          • johnconradarens

            Not bad for someone I “dislike”.

            What I dislike is pre-primary polling, and it’s tendency to turn something very serious into another NCAA-bracket thing. Have you ever noticed how much of the news coverage of our elections is “who is up” in the polls, and almost NOTHING about what the candidates think, or have to say?

            And who, in their right mind, watches Soap Operas, or NASCAR? Different strokes, for different folks…

            And you’ve still not addressed your antipathy and animus and name-calling. And, I frankly don’t wait around for ANY politician to “stir” me. I go to church for that…

          • streiff

            says that today.

          • johnconradarens

            I was trying to stop the McCainTrain, and Fred had already dropped out….

          • emrys

            the ‘losers’ blame the media when they go down in the polls nearly every time, but who is being polled? Us, we the people. To assume we’re all just mindless robots who simply regurgitate the mainstream media’s bias seems backwards to me, not that I have any love for the mainstream media.

            But reporting a poll is not the same as having caused a certain person to go down in that poll. I’ve listened to all of the candidates, weighed their stands, their foibles, their personal baggage, their ability to articulate ideas, their experience, etc.

            And I think many other people have done that as well, and as the process moves along, people will rise in popularity in the polls, and people will fall by the wayside. Not the media’s fault. Heck, the more the media really tries to bash some candidates, the BETTER they should do in many polls, especially straw polls of likely Republican voters, the kind of voters who do not get influenced by the media like mindless liberals.

            I think most people say, “screw the polls, I’ll go for who I want to go for, and the media can go to heck!” Isn’t that why Ron Paul has such consistent support? If Bachman hasn’t gone back up on the polls, it’s not because she hasn’t gotten enough exposure, so that people do not know what she stands for.

            To act as if you are the only person unaffected by the media while the rest of us rubes are all blind sheep is rather arrogant in my humble opinion.

          • conservativeparrothead

            Were running, he would not be the nominee.

          • tailfins1959

            “2. Snookie is not running for the GOP nomination. Rick Santorum is. Which do you think has a better chance of getting the nomination.”

            What I want to know is this: If the former PA Senator can’t resolve the Google search for “Spreading Santorum”, how can he manage the security of our nation’s infrastructure?

  • JSobieski

    Bachmann complaining about the media in debates is like the poor underclass complaining about not be born to wealthy parents, the basketball ability of Michael Jordan, or the brains of Einstein.

    Life. Isn’t. Fair.

    Attacking the media can make sense as a tactic in certain circumstances, but even Rush would agree that IT IS THE JOB OF THE CANDIDATES TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES.

    The media is unfair. The Germans had an unfair technology advantage in terms of tanks and fighter planes in WWII.

    Winners adjust their tactics to win. Losers complain.

  • heraklios

    but we’re still not voting for Romney…either in the primary or the general election

    • Aaron Gardner

      It really makes me laugh when people make these wild ass claims.

    • streiff

      and he has great hair. What more do you want?

      • acat

        • Aaron Gardner

          ;)

      • aesthete

        an incredibly long diary full of non-sequiturs to further embellish your point, perhaps responding to reasoned critiques by calling them smears? I think it’d really make your case stronger.

  • romeg

    is that Republicans cannot make up their (our?)minds as to whom we want for our nominee. They reinforce this view by keeping the third tier candidates in the rotation. It supports their meme that we can’t decide and it shields them from criticism that they aren’t being fair to all of the candidates or are “trying to choose” for us.

    But there certainly are some in the media that can assure us the, when all is said and done, we will do make the obvious choice and nominate Mitt. David Brooks comes immediately to mind. He’s not the only one but he’s easily the most consistent in that regard.

    • streiff

      they discover a candidate. They puff the candidate up. They investigate the candidate. They dismiss the candidate.

      The media does this over and over.

      When you look at their history, though, they don’t succeed. The people who succeed in choosing our candidates is the party establishment. That’s how GWB got the nod in 2000 (btw, I was and am a GWB supporter) and Dole got it in 1996 and McCain got it in 2008.

  • Tbone

    stand on stage looking pretty and serious. It’s when she opens her mouth that the wheels come off.

    As for Cain, if you want a really good laugh, just imagine the question as “Herman, your secretary, Libya, says you pinched her butt.”

    Then watch his body language.

    • acat

      to get her old job back.

      I had hoped she’d get over herself and run Klobuchar out of the Senate, but .. it seems she’s too set on riding this bomb all the way in.

      Mew

      • heraklios

        but I think she might struggle in a statewide race in blueish Minnesota

        • acat

          after her polling tanked, had she simply issued a mea culpa “I misunderstood the science” and withdrawn, with her bank account intact, she could have mended fences and clobbered Klobuchar, who would be very vulnerable.

          As it is, she’s scuttled her chances and blown her ca$h.

          Hopefully, Pawlenty is considering a run… Klobuchar should be the easier of the two to displace, and Pawlenty retired popular….

          Mew

          • aesthete

            no text

  • Tbone

    Becker. LOL

  • bzip

    This is pathetic. Cain continues his ever famous blame game for his mistakes.

    Don’t you think the candidates and their supporters ought to start taking responsibility.

    I also think it is pathetic that a candidate doesn’t take responsibility when they are asking to take responsibility of our country if elected.

    I didn’t hear Perry crying, he took the full responsibility and I as a supporter never tried to blame it on something else. Not only did Perry take responsibility but look at what he did to try and clean it up and manage the damage.

    Cain has no business and never had any business running for presidency. It is not just the Libya issue it is everything and many issues that even suggest Cain isn’t running a conservative platform.

    When are Cain’s supporters going to start to wake up and stop turning their back on Cain’s mistakes and when is Cain going to take responsibility ?

    Just a few reminders and gaffes – some of which doesn’t even make Cain sound conservative:

    Cain now supports Unions
    Cain supported TARP
    Cain was pro-choice or is pro-life
    Cain is not for auditing the fed or not
    Cain is for exchanging GITMO prisoners or not
    Cain was for an electric fence or not
    Cain and racial baiting
    Cain fellow blacks are brainwashed
    Cain doesn?t understand the 2nd amendment
    Cain does seem to understand foreign policy
    Cain?s 999 plan that starts a new national sales tax.
    Cain?s 999 plans that adds empowerment zones (affirmative action, very Obama’ish).
    Not very conservative.
    Help me to understand why you want voters to elect Cain?

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      No more copy/pasting comments.

      Are we clear?

    • streiff

      knock off this comment spamming or you’re gone. Two mods have now warned you

    • tailfins1959

      “Help me to understand why you want voters to elect Cain?”

      Compare him to Saxby Chambliss and Cain would be an improvement for Georgia Senate.

      • streiff

        I really don’t understand the appeal Cain has as he obviously doesn’t know or care very much about public policy or anything other than selling his books or a glass of white wine in the morning.

  • Darin_H

    and made Cain forget what positions he took on what countries. The media is biased, but those 2 especially have given them a lot of ammunition.

  • talgus

    they attack who-ever is rising to the top. It is not organized. It is like the Tea Party, but it is grassroot progressives, working in media, each doing their little part to satisfy their progressive needs. It combines to look like a intentional act. It is not. It just is. The wonderful thing about Republican candidates is that we EAT our own.

    • streiff

      it isn’t lie we’re unique snowflakes, we just don’t pay attention to Dem primaries. I found Dem sites making the same complaint about the biased right wing media trying to choose their candidates.

  • kcdude

    I am one who is now leaning Perry because of the way he handled being human – making a mistake. I agreed with his positions but I wanted to see him articulate his core. Immediately after the Michigan debate, he took ownership of his blank moment and he then moved on. He has now followed that negative by doing a good job of outlining his beliefs and future actions in the SC debate.

    The losers you describe have been making excuses for every flub. They would have been much more credible and worthy of my consideration if they had followed Perry’s example.

  • usedtobelib

    With 15 minutes remaining, he’s talking to young 23 year old male who thinks Herman Cain is the cat’s meow, thinks the only reason he’s losing support is that the MSM is falsely attacking him with the ladies’ stuff, and Rush has just finished asking him what he thinks about how they are trying to portray Cain as a dunce because of his “Libya thing.”

    Rush, I hardly knew ye. You’ve turned into the dancing partner of Rachel Maddow or Keith Olberman.

    I don’t know that I can ever respect you again.

    • JSobieski

      Cain is just as head and shoulders above Obama as O’Donnell was head and shoulders above her marxist loving opponent in DE.

      Once we start basing our support of X because they are better than Y, our side begins to lose the ability of critical thought.

      We instinctively defend whomever the MSM attacks. Again, a phenomenon that was prominently displayed in the O’Donnell candidacy.

      People are so concerned about letting the media pick our candidates. However, I am more concerned about letting the STANDARDS of the left reduce what we expect from out candidates.

  • septembergurl

    political team because they are very good, very professional. They quickly developed a strategy to deal with the debate disaster. Importantly it did not involve blaming the media. Rather they placed Perry in casual, entertainment oriented outlets, flooding the zone with images of Perry’s aw-shucks charm and self deprecating humor. Step two, carry out the next debate with no mistakes. Perry turned in a decent performance, all that was required, and he is back to his middling poll position.

    Whining about the media picking our candidates is just lame. For Herb’s problem, he was in a relatively unstressful environment, talking to the editorial board of a newspaper. The question was only mildly gotcha — framed as do you agree with Obama’s policy?

    ANy candidate can normally handle this in his sleep. Deflect the question to the big picture while you decide which aspect of Libya — the involvement of NATO, the question of the War Powers Act. the Arab Spring, etc — you want to expand on, since you have studied up on it. Then you lay down a barrage of platitudes — too early to tell whether the involvement was a good idea, adding to the unrest of the region or preventing a worse war, etc. Then you expound for a while on whatever aspect you want to focus on until the eyes of your listeners glaze over and they signal they want to move on. Then you say, “I hope that answers your question” snarkily and they move on.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    One would have thought that candidates, at a minimum, have mastered the art of public speaking, intellectual thought, government 101 and the sour-grapes-are-destructive-to-our-combined-cause law by the time they declared.

    Realizing it doesn’t really take much in the context of our opposition, the bar can be set pretty low and we still can win. But frankly the lower tier Republican candidates are providing merely entertainment value at this point…for which I prefer the Three Stooges. At least they make sense.

  • nathanalbright

    …is that winners spend their time and effort working with reality, and working to change it, while losers whine about it. I think your blog made that point claim. It wasn’t the press that makes anyone screw up–the press didn’t make Newt cheat on two wives (so far), or make Perry have a brain freeze, or make Cain give the most incoherent rambling answer about Libya I have heard (Septembergirl gives a good lesson on how to answer a question like the one on Libya a few posts above). But a winner takes that raw material and writes their own narrative of resilience and victory, even if the wounds are self-inflicted. Loser just keep eating cheese with their whine. Just don’t borrow Newt’s chianti–he looks like he wants a few more moderators’ livers before debate season is done. You’ve gotta eat, you know.

  • iidvbii

    Signaling an even worse communications strategy. There are some relevant points that can be made here.

    Why is mittens always center stage?
    Why is mittens given the lions share of the questions?
    Why is mittens always in the side by side when another candidate is speaking? BTW I turned it into a drinking game during the Michigan debate. Take a drink everytime they cut back to Mitt when someone else is speaking. I was nearly drunk in the first fifteen minutes.

    These aspects do show a biased hand at work. Lest we forget ol switch hit Mitt has had these advantages since day one. Regardless of who is leading in the polls. While I agree Huntsman, bauchman and santorum shouldn’t really be invited at this point. No money, no support and nothing new to say equals no path to victory. I do believe those who are on stage should be getting equal treatment.

    • nathanalbright

      …the only way to ensure that would be run the debates without someone who is biased in favor of establishment candidates. Any takers on that? I’d like to hear Mittens whine about getting ignored for once. That would be a treat.