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Dahlia Lithwick’s Sonogram Lie Implodes

Virginia Planned Parenthood Is Raping Women!!!!!

Last week I posted on the egregiously dishonest line of attack being made on a proposed Virginia law requiring all women who are seeking an abortion to be given the opportunity to see an ultrasound picture of the baby before dismembering. The left, led online by Slate’s Dahlia Lithwick, who seemingly has the same grasp of medicine and human reproduction that she has of the law, has mounted one of the most transparently fraudulent assaults since anything they perpetrated on George W. Bush.

Her claim was that Virginia was RAPING WOMEN!!1!!!! because an ultrasound was being required before a surgical procedure was undertaken.

Today the story descended into farce.

Commentary Magazine apparently called Virginia’s leading purveyor of abortions, the Virginia League of Planned Parenthood, on their abortion services hotline. They got this recorded message:

“Patients who have a surgical abortion generally come in for two appointments. At the first visit we do a health assessment, perform all the necessary lab work, and do an ultrasound. This visit generally takes about an hour. At the second visit, the procedure takes place. This visit takes about an hour as well. For out of town patients for whom it would be difficult to make two trips to our office, we’re able to schedule both the initial appointment and the procedure on the same day.

Medical abortions generally require three visits. At the first visit, we do a health assessment, perform all the necessary lab work, and do an ultrasound. This visit takes about an hour. At the second visit, the physician gives the first pill and directions for taking two more pills at home. The third visit is required during which you will have an exam and another ultrasound.”

So to get an abortion in Virginia a woman would have to get at least two ultrasounds. This would be at least three times in which, to quote Lithwick’s own words, something was “inserted into the vagina, and then moved around.”

What we’ve learned here isn’t a surprise.

Before you undergo a surgical procedure there are tests. In the case of someone trying to procure an abortion to rid themselves of a troublesome “mass of cells” it is only logical that even the moral cripples who work in that business would want to be sure the patient was, in fact, pregnant, and that there weren’t other medical complications. Ultrasound, whether done externally or by something “moving around” inside the vagina is a logical choice.

The defenders of abortion are rightfully feeling beleaguered. Polls have shifted in the past years making approval of abortion a minority position. As more and more states take aim at the abortion industry, the supporters of infanticide, like Lithwick, are becoming more and more shrill… if that is possible… and unhinged.

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  • weyland

    …I do not think it says what you think it says:

    “This fight, like virtually all abortion law fights, is about how much of a role religion and morality should play in regulating these procedures. Pro-choice activists seem to have no problem with ultrasounds, as long as they?re done for medical reasons. But the fact that ultrasounds tend to already be part of abortions isn?t enough for pro-life activists. They want the main purpose for the scans to be promoting the ?culture of life.? The Virginia law would mandate doctors to display and describe the ultrasound to the patient. And the image could end up dissuading many women from going ahead with the abortion.”

    • streiff

      That I didn’t quote the article accurately? Because my CTL+C tells me otherwise.

      The claim was made that the Virginia law imposed some Draconian medical regime that was equivalent to rape.

      The facts are 1) an internal sonogram is not mandated by the law, 2) and the woman was going to receive a sonogram anyway.

      If you’d taken enough time to read the whole argument spread over three posts you wouldn’t have suffered the avoidable heartbreak of self-beclowning.

      • pttx333

        “I have been banned … ”

        What a moron!

        • streiff

          I wrote it.

          As a moderator I have immense powers that I must only use for good.

          • pttx333

            hear me giggling?? Thanks for a good laugh … and thanks be to God above for your immense powers! LOL

          • Patrish

            Is Weyland banned or not?

        • Scope

          I was laughing when I read your comment, as the only way those kinds of messages get added to a posters comments, is if a moderator put it there. streiff usually doesn’t say “G bye” as Neil does. They all have their own style.

          One of the things you can safely assume from weyland’s comment, the contraceptive flap won’t harm him/her in any way, it seems to prefer abortion as a method of birth control.

          • pttx333

            an email explaining my situation. Will be moving this Thursday and Friday, so the ‘puter is coming down very shortly.

            Keep on keepin’ on, dear one! I’ll be back in action as soon as I can. Take care.

    • http://www.deadfishwrapper.com Oregon Conservative

      The money quote from Ms. Lithwick is this:

      And the image could end up dissuading many women from going ahead with the abortion.?

      That’s the main issue. The so-called “rape” from a trans-vaginal ultrasound is just a red herring. The real issue is that they know that if the mother will see that the “blob of cells” is a real human, she might not actually kill it. That’s all you need to know about the pro-abortion crowd’s main motivation.

  • citizenkh

    stuck in the 1970′s, but that new (back then) diagnostic method called ultrasound was performed and it was by applying a gel to the belly and moving the instrument around on it and looking at a screen.

    Why is that viewed as rape? It is not even close, and more like having a stethoscope applied to one’s chest, except without the gel.

    • streiff

      and one that gives better results in identifying early pregnancies and physical defects is performed with a transvaginal probe. The one you are familiar with is still, by far and away, the most common.

      • DefendUSA

        Had some arguments this weekend with liberals over a poster.

        Picture this: “Corporations are People (insert textbook drawing of female reproductive system) and then the words ” Women not so much.”

        They were claiming the GOP hated women, didn’t want them protected, etc…and someone brought up this legislation. I slammed them all and asked if they even had a clue about the propaganda they kept taking as the word. Of course not. Still the ignorance of people is astounding, isn’t it?

        And the transvaginal ultrasounds are the definitive measure compared to the abdominal. I have had both types done because of a miscarriage.

    • duncer

      I do not know anything about ultra sounds though i have two for diagnostic purposes both performed by women and i am a man that was not aware i was supposed to be enjoy the experience, but i do know that uterine tumors are common and often large. Abortion fans have often claimed that unborn babies are just clumps of undifferentiated cells. Women also stop menstruating for a variety of reasons. I would think that an ultra sound would make clear the difference and dictate the proper procedure.

      • lineholder

        A HcG test will provide hormonal evidence of pregnancy, but it does not confirm gestational age.

        An abdominal ultrasound will usually serve the purpose. If, however, the doctor finds something on an abdominal ultrasound that they aren’t comfortable with, or if they believe there could be complications such as an ectopic pregnancy, they are going to want confirmation of such prior to making any decision pertaining to course of treatment.

        Whether the outcome is delivery or abortion, many doctors still prefer to obtain that confirmation, as being in the patient’s best interest and their own, legally. Malpractice insurance for OB has skyrocketed in recent years, and along with it has come an increase in defensive medicine being practiced.

        Defining gestational age when an abortion is being considered does matter, because the methodology for an abortion procedure can vary based on gestational age.

  • DerKrieger

    … but after all these years I still don’t understand the motivation of the pro-abortionists.

    And I distinguish between pro-choice and pro-abortion. Pro-choice to me simply means a woman’s right to choose whether or not to carry her child to term.

    Pro-abortionist are those that actively pursue that as the only choice and are the ideological storm-troopers of the abortion industry.

    I understand the former but not the latter. Anyone who does, please explain.

    • Repair_Man_Jack

      Planned Parenthood runs a large enterprise.

    • streiff

      the only “choice” the “pro choicers” are in favor of is the choice to have an abortion. They don’t give a rat’s patootie about any choice the kid might like to make.

    • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

      it’s part ideology.

      Money is what motivates Planed Parenthood and their abortion mills, plain and simple.

      The left who defend them are filled with an extreme feminist, anti-life agenda. They really want every abortion possible to happen.

      • DerKrieger

        “The left who defend them are filled with an extreme feminist, anti-life agenda. They really want every abortion possible to happen.”

        But why?

        I’m waiting for some Lefty biologist to unleash a super virus on us to “cleanse” the planet.

        • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

          Or when you were in college you just did not pay much attention to politics.

          But to those of us who are older and who have read the works of the extreme left. Believe me this is what they really are all about.

          They are anti-life, they are anti-morals, they are anti- all that is wholesome. They hate families, population, children and especially middle class values.

          In fact their entire motivation for everything is hate.

          I used to see these people sitting around the student union, chain-smoking, wearing their F**K Jesus T-Shirts. Quoting French and German Philosophers they didn’t understand.

          And they always hated on everything, anyone and everything.

          Well, guess what? These people now run the country.

          • Dave_A

            Comes from the core of their philosophy….

            To be a liberal, you essentially have to believe that man is ‘naturally good’, and that most problems are the result of ‘negative influences’…

            This is why they think they can perfect humanity thru legislation, why they believe in ‘reforming’ convicts rather than harsh punishment, and so on…

            Liberalisim and Secular Humanisim go hand-in-hand.

            To contrast, the entire POINT of our constitutional system – the protection of which is the one thing all types of conservatives generally agree on – is that Man is NOT inherently good…

            Say what you will about the individual beliefs of the individual Founders, the Constitution’s separation of powers (and the quotes of Hamilton, Madison, and others) all point to an acceptance of the flawed-nature of man, and a desire to counteract this by pitting groups of flawed men against each other, ergo checks-and-balances… The goal wasn’t copacetic coexistence, but constructive conflict.

            It’s the core conflict behind the two competing philosophies: Is man good by nature, and if not, what do we do about it?

          • lineholder

            There may be some people on the left who do believe as you have stated, but there is evidence to substantiate that the power brokers know beyond any shadow of doubt that human beings can be corrupted. They simply deny the natural consequences of that corruption. You know, in the same way that a fool says to himself “I am wise”.

            Our founding fathers had seen and lived under hard evidence of corruption in government by means of tyranny. They witnessed what happens to mortal men who deceive themselves into believing that they are wise, and how a desire for power and control can become a corrupting influence in every life it touches.

            I think they did try to write a system of checks and balances into our Constitution, and in doing so, left for us a witness statement substantiating the need for vigilance.

        • http://www.plumbbobblog.com Plumb_Bob

          …is that which insists that women will not be safe until they are not dependent upon men in any way.

          Pregnancy makes them vulnerable, and requires that they be cared for by someone stronger. Unless they have the power to (1) get pregnant at will, without personal relationship, and (2) end the pregnancy at will, without regard to any man’s opinion, they are still vulnerable.

          Basically, what we’re talking about is badly abused women attempting to remake the human species in such a way that men are superfluous.

      • Dave_A

        Something most Americans have never heard of, and have only been exposed to in a short, almost unrecognizable segment of the Mafia drama ‘Boardwalk Empire’…

        The founder of PP believed that the ‘problem of the day’ was that the wrong people were having children – you know, immigrants, minorities, etc… The point of the organization was to encourage the ‘lesser people’ to not reproduce.

        • Repair_Man_Jack

    • Uma Richie

      and the Democrats have found it advantageous to peddle it. Aside from the money that Planned Parenthood makes, legalized abortion is necessary for Democrats to pander to the young, unmarried part of the electorate. Every election year they sell them the impossible dream of consequence-free sex by making an issue of any threat to unrestricted abortion, Planned Parenthood funding, and STD research.

    • lineholder

      The facts are there, but you have to sift through layer upon layer of it to begin to see what drives them. I’ve done it once…worked through the layers to see the truth. Painful as the dickens.

      Just remember this…they do know for a fact that the “mass of cells” is a living being. They lie through their teeth and then some to deceive people on that point. They just have no qualms of conscience about killing that life. None whatsoever.

      • lineholder

        you can check out the comments on the Planned Parenthood website for confirmation that what I’ve stated is very much so true. Here’s the site address:

        http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/abortion/in-clinic-abortion-procedures-4359.asp

        Click on the statement “What happens during an in-clinic abortion?” Under the category D&E (Dilation and Evacuation), you will find the following statement:

        “In later second-trimester procedures, you may also need a shot through your abdomen to make sure there is fetal demise before the procedure begins.”

        Note the word “demise” and the context in which it is used? Demise pertains to death. How can there be death without life? They know it is a human life. They just have NO conscience about killing that life.

    • jdw4america

      “Pro-choice to me simply means a woman?s right to choose whether or not to carry her child to term.”

      Simply not carry a child to term. Is that all? Well, thanks for clarifying! Hey folks! Guess what? There’s no reason for us to be pro-life anymore! Apparently the pro-choicers aren’t callously advocating the willful murder of an unborn child! In their benevolence, they just support a woman choosing not to carry her child to term. Totally different.

      I’m glad somebody pointed this out to me, cause otherwise I’d be confused.

  • Jack_Savage

    …unless I am misunderstanding:

    RICHMOND, Va. (AP) – Hundreds of women stood mute, arm-in-arm, forming a human cordon through which legislators walked before Monday’s floor sessions to protest a wave of anti-abortion legislation coursing through the 2012 General Assembly.

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    The protest was over bills that would define embryos as humans and criminalize their destruction, require “transvaginal” ultrasounds of women seeking abortions and cutting state aid to poor women seeking abortions.”

    Does the bill require transvaginal ultrasounds, or is that the crock that I think it is?

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    • bonnman

      It doesn’t by definition state that a transvaginal ultrasound is required but it does require a doctor to perform an ultrasound to determine gestational age and to provide an image for records. What is not clear is whether transabdominal ultrasounds can image early stage pregnancies accurately enough to satisfy the law. So it might end up being a defacto transvaginal ultrasound requirement.

      • streiff

        the law clearly states

        The ultrasound image shall be made pursuant to standard medical practice in the community,

        Trans-ab ultrasound is effective at 6 weeks. Trans vaginal at 5.

        Methinks you are trolling.

        • bonnman

          But based on your interpretation then the law clearly DOES require transvaginal ultrasounds for anyone seeking an abortion before 5 weeks. So then it is legally a defacto transvaginal ultrasound requirement.

          • streiff

            a really silly one but certainly the one that every other leftist is making.

            1. The law doesn’t require trans-vaginal.

            2. My interpretation is clearly not that.

            As the woman can’t get an abortion without an ultrasound anyway, the state law only requires she be given a opportunity to see the pictures.

          • bonnman

            That a doctor is required to perform any general ultrasound. The law requires that a doctor perform an ultrasound that has to meet specific criteria such as:

            1. pursuant to standard medical practice in the community
            2. contains the dimensions of the fetus and
            3. accurately portray the presence of external members and internal organs of the fetus, if they exist and
            4. produce an image. for records

            Now I don’t know that a trans-abdominal ultrasound before 5 weeks can show all that. If it can not, then trans-vaginal is the de facto (legally meaning in practice) requirement. Laws do not have to specifically state requirements to have de facto requirements.

          • Jack_Savage

            “…require ?transvaginal? ultrasounds of women seeking abortions…”

            It apparently does no such thing.

          • bonnman

            Why does nobody seem to understand the term de facto?

          • Uma Richie

            I looked at the National Abortion Federation’s (the standard setters on abortion procedure in the US) training on the use of ultrasounds. Although they show a clear preference for TVU in early pregnancy, they provide alternative diagnostic formulas for using the abdominal ultrasound.

            The training module can be found here:
            http://www.prochoice.org/education/cme/online_cme/m4ultrasound.asp

            The training goes over how to talk to a patient about the TVU, but acknowledges that some women would not want to have one, which I presume accounts for the provided methodology for determining gestational age with an abdominal ultrasound.

            The only way they would push for a TVU would be if there was no embryonic sac found with the abdominal. In that case, the TVU would not be for the abortion, but instead to diagnose an ectopic pregnancy or some other complication.

            Bottom line: No de facto requirement for TVU.

          • Jack_Savage

            Why in the hell can’t you understand that if a law were to REQUIRE transvaginal ultrasounds of women seeking abortions, as the AP claims, that means that if a woman is seeking an abortion there is no alternative but to get a transvaginal ultrasound? Every single time? And that this claim by the AP is a complete and total lie?

            I think you understand it perfectly well, and feebly attempting to argue the discredited points of the left.

          • The_Gadfly

            your opinion that a woman shouldn’t have medical advice that comports with the current standards of the community.

            Oh, and if you’re worried about that pesky requirement #3, I read that as “and you’re not allowed to airbrush out the naughty bits (aka the truth that you are about to kill a human being).”

          • streiff

            that I can’t really help you with.

            There is only a 7 day period in which one type of ultrasound can detect a pregnancy and the other can’t. As the woman has to have an ultrasound to determine if she is pregnant it is rather stupid to claim some special machine is needed.

            I hope you’ve had fun trolling.

    • streiff

      The ultrasound image shall be made pursuant to standard medical practice in the community,

      • Viet71

        when abortion was left to the states and did not create a vast Right-Left divide, except at state level in certain states, and even in those states, not so much.

        Roe was a victory for everyone, in one appalling sense. By placing abortion beyond the reach of legislators, it spawned two hardened camps, each having financial supporters. It’s been a money maker.

        Planned Parenthood would have done just fine financially without Roe. Roe has been manna to it. If Roe is ever repealed (I hope and wish), Planned Parenthood will do EVEN BETTER financially, from donations.

  • The Spin Doctor

    You have to realize the difference. One ultrasound is required by the doctor…the other by the government.

    Remember, an abortion is a decision between a woman and her ‘doctor’. Not the woman and her parents, clergy, partner, friend, or any other associate who may really care about the woman…but her ‘doctor’.

    The ‘doctor’ is some all knowing, special being, whose only interest is what is best for the woman. The ‘doctor’ knows better than all those listed above. The doctor takes special care to look out for the woman’s interest, with NO interest in the financial gain received by the woman making the ‘right’ decision.

    The government, on the other hand, needs to stay out of our bedroom…because they really need to be in our schools so that our children can have the lunch we sent replaced by the government approved lunch.

    The government has no right to say that a 15 year old has to get parental approval before they can get an abortion, as long as they MUST get parental approval before being treated for a sprained leg.

    That same government that has no business disrupting those dangerous occupiers from exercising their right to take over public and/or private property for an indefinite period, as outlined in SOME founding fathers document (maybe)as long as they prohit the tea partiers from peaceable assembly.

    (This comment brought to you by The Spin Doctor, currently undergoing therapy with Sarcastics Anonymous)

    • streiff

      the sonogram is already being performed. All the bill changes from the status quo is that it requires the “doctor” to give the woman the opportunity… not require her… to see the baby’s picture and listen to the fetal heartbeat.

      • The_Gadfly

        Admittedly, after getting through the third paragraph I did jump to the end to check before reading further, but I thought I detected the dripping venom of sarcasm. I’ve been known to use it myself occasionally. It’s a defense mechanism some of us use to stop from breaking down in tears over horrors our government legalizes.

        • sherrybb

          First of all, there are 2 different types of ultrasounds. One involves a procedure on the top of your stomach, the other involves inserting a probe inside one’s vagina and probing….one isn’t invasive at all and one is. But the biggest issue is one of consent. So, it is ok for the gov’t to force a woman to have a procedure she does not want, and to force a dr to order the same such procedure. That is not gov’t intrusion, right? But the health care act is massive gov’t intrusion? Wonder if all yall men who are prescribed viagra would be ok if you were forced to have a penile probe to get it?

          • streiff

            your comment may be unique in that there is not one single true statement in it. And, for the record, before a doctor prescribes Viagra he does have to make sure the patient actually has ED.

            Anyway,you’ll have plenty of time to practice your mad reading and logic skillz now that you’ve burned down your account

          • renl57

            …are going to react the same way that “Sherrybb” did.

            And telling all those women that “You just don’t know what you’re talking about” isn’t a great campaign talking-point.

            A successful political movement attracts and inspires people to join it. Santorum’s comments and the stuff I’m seeing here are a great way to scare any women who aren’t already staunch Republicans–and lose their votes.

          • streiff

            quite honestly, I don’t think most women are incapable of reading and comprehending a fairly simple story. Obviously YMMV.

            No one told her she didn’t know what she was talking about, what she was told was that she was obviously incapable of writing a single true statement.

            Conservatism has never been aimed at illiterates. You might want to take note.

    • DerKrieger

      …women supported Obamacare, the ultimate in government intrusion. Their opposition to the ultrasound requirement smacks of hypocrisy.

  • gjohnson

    maybe what these women against it meant to say is that that particular procedure (trans-vaginal ultrasound) is invasive? Is that the one required? Or is it just the old fashioned, and forgive my laymen terminology, but lube and tube ultrasound performed on the belly (non-invasive)? I think maybe women don’t want to HAVE TO be looked at if they know they are pregnant using less invasive means.

    And those women who were made pregnant by unwarranted invasive means possibly don’t want to have it done again. I’m sorry, but in some cases, like in rape and others, etc., I’d have to agree that a woman should NOT be required to have an invasive sonogram.

    If all that is required is the non-invasive one, then sorry ladies, but the choice would be clear. We just can’t have the government forcing women to have invasive procedures if they don’t want it.

    • streiff

      the law states that

      The ultrasound image shall be made pursuant to standard medical practice in the community,

      • gjohnson

        That does and doesn’t really answer the question though. If the standard medical practice in the community is invasive and a woman doesn’t want her body to be invaded, who are we to say she has to be? That is doing something invasive to someone without their consent isn’t it? Oh wait, so is rape.

        • gjohnson

          I am against it if and only if it’s invasive. by any other means, then go right ahead. there is no argument for liberals there. debate over. have a non-invasive ultrasound on your stomach, see your child that your about to murder on the screen, then make up your mind.

          • Uma Richie

            Transvaginal ultrasound to ascertain gestational age in early pregnancy is clearly the preferred medical practice for abortion clinics in the United States.

            The National Abortion Federation is the accreditation body for abortion clinics in our country. It is the organization through which the abortion industry avoids outside oversight and polices itself. It is indisputably the standard setter for abortion providers.

            It has online training modules available for people who work at abortion clinics to help them increase their “reproductive health” skills.

            Visit the training module on ultrasounds at this link:
            http://www.prochoice.org/education/cme/online_cme/m4ultrasound.asp

            You will see that TVU is important for the safety of women even though their babies doomed. This isn’t rape. This is basic medicine. As streiff has said again and again, the issue is that Planned Parenthood wants to deprive women of the opportunity to have additional information to make a life-changing decision.

            If Democrats were pushing and Republicans were opposing a bill to provide Planned Parenthood 250 taxpayer dollars per abortion to fund pre-abortion ultrasounds, you would hear screaming that Republicans are evil because:
            1. TVU can diagnose complications such as ectopic pregnancy.
            2. TVU can help a doctor decide between medical and surgical abortion.
            3. TVU can diagnose an impending miscarriage and free the woman of culpability for killing her own child.
            4. A vaginally invasive TVU can prevent an invasion of medical equipment into both the vagina and the uterus by increasing the use of abortion pills over surgical abortion.

          • Uma Richie

            ultrasound as an alternative to TVU in early pregnancy, so I don’t see how the law could be construed as requiring a TVU.

          • lineholder

            that the NAF has a competitor for accreditation activities? They do. Guess who it is? PPFA! That’s correct. Planned Parenthood Federation of America has managed to itself up as a self-accrediting entity, involved in accrediting its own office and operations. They’ve already succeeded in being granting this status in numerous states, such as Washington and Kentucky, and they working to get this status established in others.

            I’m assuming from your comments that you understand how the accreditation process works. If so, then you probably recognize just as much as I do what it would mean for a business entity that has a vested economic interest in the financial success of business operations to act as an accreditation body in the realm of health care.

            With this in mind, PPFA doesn’t want to see ANY regulatory measures that might interfere with their ability to control the entire abortion industry via accreditation powers. Abortion IS an industry, and a very lucrative industry at that. PPFA has a lot at stake, financially.

            That’s part of the reason they are squawking so loudly every time a state takes the initiative to put regulatory measures into place.

        • streiff

          it is coming onto my story and spouting crap.

    • vandalii

      Forgive my lack of handy-dandy data, but when I was hot-n-heavy in the Pro-Life movement some years back <3% of all abortions performed since 1973 were for "medically necessary" reasons, meaning mother's life in danger, and did include rape. I vaguely remember rape being ~0.4% but can't remember so use 95%) in the USA are performed by choice, not by necessity.

      Just as the Left insists on trotting out bleeding heart topics like rape and mother’s health like those would be their true driving force for abortion, we must continue to counter with facts: >95% of all abortions are performed as an optional procedure, not as a health issue.

      And, too bad if the poor woman has a conscience and it gets pricked by hearing their child’s heartbeat or sees the child growing in the womb. That isn’t about religion, that’s about being human and dealing with the consequences of their choice to kill a baby.

      • http://lnsmitheeblog.blogspot.com LNSmithee

        …in which (to the best of my memory) a young woman (who may or may not have been of legal age) qualified to have her abortion paid for by the state because she claimed that her pregnancy was the result of her being raped. Once the deed was done, the authorities approached her and asked her about who raped her, and she refused to cooperate. At this point, the state in effect said that if she refused to make a case for apprehending her rapist, that was a tacit admission that one did not occur, and that she got the free procedure under false pretenses. The state demanded payment from her family, they retained counsel, and yada yada yada, she got away with it.

        Anybody else recall that?

    • recentlyenlightened

      I don’t see how an invasive procedure is required. Information above states that the TVU is accurate at 5 weeks, the abdominal ultrasound is accurate at 6 weeks. If a woman were opposed to the TVU she could try an abdominal ultrasound and if it was inconclusive, she would simply need to wait a week or so, return for another, and proceed with the process. Now, I can see pro-abortion activists being opposed to this line of thinking. Making a woman wait a week might allow her the time to think about what she is planning to do and she may even change her mind! I wonder how many fewer abortions would actually occur if a woman had to think about the decision for a week?

  • Juggernaut

    of course but liberals follow rather than read and analyze facts. These people use impact messages hoping reading won’t give the facts a second thought. From my experience most libs don’t read whole articles, lazy and simply wanting read meat sound bytes rather than think for themselves.

  • geah

    people by the time you finish the ultrasound fight the child will be going to school.

  • richsr7

    First! Do you believe there is a G O D? If so, you should be aware that you will be called to give an account of what things you have voted on in our political arena.
    Remember YOU will stand before HIM to give an account of what YOU did through life. View the SILENT SCREAM. This is what a child goes through during an abortion.

    As I understand, the majority of citizens want to stop abortion.
    Not only for the sense of murdering babies, but also as a financial thing.
    How much DOES an abortion cost? That’s a good second thought; naturally the child should be the first.
    I?m not a ?pro-lifer? just anti abortion.
    I think stopping a human heart is murder. We have been murdering these babies since 1973
    Now multiply that by one and a half million, then multiply that by thirty seven years.
    Next year that will be FIFTY EIGHT MILLION BABIES and how many dollars we will have to answer to GOD for.
    We commit abortion at the desire of misguided women and we call it birth control.
    How much money does an abortion cost? Now multiply that by one and a half million, then multiply that by thirty seven years.
    Next year that will be FIFTY EIGHT MILLION BABIES and how many dollars we will have to answer to GOD for.
    There?s no big noise about aborting children. If an individual kills another, that is the shedding of blood in Scripture, that?s called killing someone. ?If man sheds another?s blood, then by man shall his blood be shed?
    Lying, stealing and cheating seem to be all right too
    ?When the wicked bear rule, the people mourn but when the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice.? I don?t hear much rejoicing, politically, or financially.
    Let me propose a bill to Congress;
    Abortion must not be paid for from public money; it must be paid by:
    1) The Planned Parenthood Corporation.
    2) Private Donations of individuals (not taxpayers), so they can be proud that they helped.

  • sharrondeer

    B. Except in the case of a medical emergency, at least 2 hours before the performance of an abortion a qualified medical professional trained in sonography and working under the direct supervision of a physician licensed in the Commonwealth shall perform fetal ultrasound imaging and auscultation of fetal heart tone services on the patient undergoing the abortion for the purpose of determining gestational age. The ultrasound image shall be made pursuant to standard medical practice in the community, contain the dimensions of the fetus, and accurately portray the presence of external members and internal organs of the fetus, if present or viewable. Determination of gestational age shall be based upon measurement of the fetus in a manner consistent with standard medical practice in the community in determining gestational age. When only the gestational sac is visible during ultrasound imaging, gestational age may be based upon measurement of the gestational sac. A print of the ultrasound image shall be made to document the measurements that have been taken to determine the gestational age of the fetus.

    C. The qualified medical professional performing fetal ultrasound imaging pursuant to subsection B shall offer the woman an opportunity to view and receive a printed copy of the ultrasound image and hear auscultation of fetal heart tone and shall obtain from the woman written certification that this opportunity was offered and whether or not it was accepted. A printed copy of the ultrasound image shall be maintained in the woman’s medical record at the facility where the abortion is to be performed for the longer of (i) seven years or (ii) the extent required by applicable federal or state law.

    An abdominal ultrasound is indeed done before an abortion and there’s nothing wrong with that. The change that’s being proposed is the requirement to determine “the dimensions of the fetus” and “accurately portray the presence of external members and internal organs of the fetus, if present or viewable” _no matter how early the pregnancy_ An abdominal ultrasound can’t do that in the case of very early pregnancies and so doctors will be required to do a transvaginal ultrasound even though it is medically unnecessary. And therein lies the controversy.

  • doctorbob

    If Lithwick thinks an ultrasound is “rape,” I wonder what she’s going to call it when she goes in for a Colonoscopy?

    But, this is so typical of Democrats. Whenever they oppose anything, or anyone, they automatically reach for the most pejorative possible rhetoric, no matter how outrageous. They are 100% dishonest in everything they say, and everything they do. They CAN’T be honest because it would then expose them for the fools they truly are. Thus, “Republicans want to take away your Social Security check” (they don’t), “Republicans want to put mercury and arsenic in your drinking water” (they don’t), “Republicans want Grandma to starve” (they don’t). But, it drags us down into the mud, where they want us, defending against these imbecilic and inane accusations. While you’re trying to explain that you don’t want to put arsenic in the drinking water, it deflects from the REAL issues (budget, fiscal management, energy policies, economic progress, etc.) And that’s the REAL purpose of the Democrats’ insane rhetoric. About the only Republican who seems to address that head on and take the fight back into the faces of the Democrats is Allen West. I sure wish he would run for President!!!

    As for Lithwick, the proper response to her comments is a simple, “you’re an idiot.”

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