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Records Show Romney’s Advisors Met with White House to Craft Obamacare

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On today’s edition of Coffee and Markets, Brad Jackson and Elizabeth Blackney discuss Michael Isikoff’s story detailing the relationship Romney’s team had with Barack Obama during the crafting of Obamacare, a brewing Romney crony capitalism scandal, and explore the buddy-buddy relationship Romney has with Herman Cain.

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COMMENTS

  • bzip

    Perry has been hitting Romney real hard on this issue and making the connection between Romneycare and Obamacare.

    Off course no other candidate except Perry has been making such a effort at this. Hmm – Cain I thought you were the Anti-Romney candidate.

    • APA Guy

      STILL support Romney…even as his predilection toward Obamacare-esque health care policy remains such a glaring disaster.

      I hope Perry hammers this guy on his health care record endlessly during the debate. Let Romney take a few arrows for a change while Perry distinguishes his positions from his opponents’. Win-win for Perry AND the party IMHO.

      • madeyoulook

        socialized healthcare.

        Cain is looking good.

    • retire05

      Just check out the Boston Globe story today how one of Romney’s lead campaign managers in 2008, Spencer Zwick, was tapping big Romney donors for $10 mil each to fund start up for a new capital venture group that so far seems to have netted Taggart Romney (one of the sons) a tony $16 million.

      Hello? SEC?

  • carolynr

    Perry put his financials out for the public to see…where is Herman’s….AND MORE IMPORTANTLY…WHERE IS ROMNEY’S.
    Read an article on Pelosi’s Husband’s big gain…financial gimmick…hide them in secret S Corporations…So…Mitt..where are the financials????

    • acat

      It’s just another way to legally organize and recognize a business.

      An S-Corp has to file yearly with the State, just like any other corporation, so .. what’s needed is someone with some basic business-journo-research skills and FOIA forms….

      Mew

  • Getting_Back_to_Basics

    If these folks were part of Romney’s Massachusetts administration ages ago, then I don’t see much harm — since it’s not a big secret that portions of the Affordable Care Act are modeled after Massachusetts. If these folks worked for Romney during their discussions with the WH, then that hurts Romney tremendously.

  • acat

    and there ought to be something in the White House visitors log …

    ..to borrow from Coleridge, that’s one heck of an albatross ya got there, Mitt.

    One begins to understand why the Dems seem to want him to run against, although why Fox News is pushing Mitt is still unclear.

    Mew

  • izoneguy

    Romney is ?the father of health-care reform,? said Gruber.

    Romney is ?the father of health-care reform,? said Gruber. ?I think he is the single person most responsible for health care reform in the United States. ? I?m not trying to make a political position or a political statement, I honestly feel that way. If Mitt Romney had not stood up for this reform in Massachusetts ? I don?t think it would have happened nationally. So I think he really is the guy with whom it all starts.?

    • izoneguy

      So I wanted to add – As Romney touts his “business” experience – All you small business owners can thank ?the father of health-care reform? as you struggle to pay higher mandated premiums or fines imposed by ObamaCare.
      Mitt Romney will not repeal ObamaCare – Flip Flop Mitt says one thing to get your vote and then flops to his real position. How can a guy worth $250 Million understand your problems?

      • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

        n/t..

    • acat

      Anyone else remember Hillarycare? I’m a little surprised Pelosi, when tasked with creating “Obamacare”, didn’t just dust off Hillary’s playbook.

      Reagan, because socialized medicine has been a threat on the horizon since .. well, since Ronald Reagan was still an actor. His brilliant rejection speech is still available on YouTube and should ber required listening. (finding it is left as an exercise for the student)

      What Romney brought to the table, though, is the necessary bipartisan cover to actually pass the thing. Had there been a Romney, a GOP governor who passed something similar back when Hillary was working on her version, you know she would have tried to co-opt it.

      This albatross must be tied firmly around Mitt’s neck.

      Mew

  • http://www.itsaboutliberty.com IronDioPriest

    The notion that this man – this chameleon who would stand aside the conservative platform and have us believe that his colors have not changed even as we watch him attempt to take on its conservative hue – the notion that Mitt Romney is garnering double-digit support from the conservative GOP base boggles my mind.

    When are GOP voters going to get a clue?

    Sharp contrast. Principles over politics. Authenticity.

    How can we possibly be standing here a year out from the 2012 election, going up against the most malevolent Leftist ever elected who has wrought more destruction in three years than likely even HE hoped… and we are poised to send as our nominee someone who cannot separate himself legitimately from the one glaring weakness of Barack Hussein Obama that we can ALL agree on – ObamaCare?

    Gaaahhh!

    • APA Guy

      nt

    • txpat

      I remember Hannity talking about this when he was running last time.
      Now no one talks about pale pastels against Obama.
      Mitty is a pastel of Obama.
      I thought that the folks voting for Obama were a bunch of sheep falling in step with him.
      It is a sad time when Republicans have become sheep for Romney.

  • ribeye

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/30/rick-perrys-camp-defends-1993-hillarycare-praise/

    The difference is, Perry himself is praising Hillary’s work on healthcare and trying to help Hillary craft HillaryCare. That’s MUCH worse than a former staffer going on to do other work.

    Does Romney have control of every single person who has ever worked for the Governor’s office, even after he’s left the office?

    Also, Romney also got extensive advising from the Heritage Foundation on the healthcare plan.

    Edmund Haislmaier of the Heritage Foundation hailed RomneyCare as “one of the most promising strategies out there.”

    http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v30n1/cpr30n1-1.html

    There are staffers, lawyers, advisors, bureaucrats, and civil servants that work for both political parties in every administration. A senior advisor to Reagan, David Gergen, went on to work for the Clinton Administration. Does that mean Reagan was a closet liberal? It’s a ridiculous line of attack.

    This site is starting to embarrass itself with its last ditch effort to save the flailing Perry campaign by going after Romney 24/7.

    • Aaron Gardner

      From your own source:

      ?You need to read the letter,? top Perry political strategist Dave Carney told The Daily Caller. ?He praised her efforts in trying to tackle the issue and urged her not to overlook rural Americans. The letter was at the onset of her efforts before she proposed anything.

      ?As Agriculture Commissioner he was concerned that rural Americans would be overlooked and their options even more limited,? Carney continued. ?Working with the administration regardless of party, working with members of the other party, as long as you don?t violate your principles, is important to getting things done.?

      Perry wasn’t praising a mandate, or a universal healthcare system, he was praising the notion of tackling reform. His input, limited as it was, was in no way comparable to the end result.

      • ribeye

        Perry wrote to Hillary,

        ?I think your efforts in trying to reform the nation?s health care system are most commendable.?

        http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/30/rick-perrys-camp-defends-1993-hillarycare-praise/

        Did any prominent conservative Republican at the time praise Hillary’s health care task force? Of course not, everyone knew it was going to be a form of socialized medicine. Why do you think Republicans took over in ’94? It was a direct result of Hillary’s attempt to bring in universal health care.

        Perry praising Hillary’s work on health care either makes him a supporter of socialized medicine or clueless. Neither speaks very highly of him.

        • Aaron Gardner

          Your attempts to equate this to Gov. Romney implementing an actual government run healthcare system that relies on a mandate on private citizens that was later used as the blue print for Obamacare, are, in a word, ridiculous.

          Also, you still haven’t denied beating your wife.

        • APA Guy

          He didn’t praise the reform, he praised the EFFORT. Even an ardent partisan would agree that the effort was admirable, even if the desired outcome was undesirable.

          You are trying to make a snow cone out of sloppy joe mix, ribeye. Please quit while you’re behind. This is non-analagous and you know it.

    • retire05

      The letter was dated April, 1993. Just three months after Bubba took office. In the letter, Rick Perry, then the Agricultural Commissioner, ask Hillary to make sure the task force took into consideration the farmers/ranchers of Texas who had NO access to immediate health care.

      The task force at that time was being formed, No one knew what Hillarycare would entail since it was not revealed for five more months.

      You are starting to embarrass yourself by showing how uninformed you are.

      • gekster

        He’s been doing that since he showed up. ;)

        • retire05

          n/t

    • texanlady

      I don’t think you can even compare the actions of the two men. Romney instituted a state sponsored healthcare program in MA that is the model for Obamacare. Perry has done anything but in Texas.

    • APA Guy

      Praising someone for taking on a Herculean task is far from advising a liberal on the implementation of the actual disaster itself.

      You should be ashamed for making such a dishonest leap.

  • redmymind

    “Birds of feather . . . “

  • kaheo

    We’ve not heard too much about it. It was just a comment he made. He didn’t push for any legislation so probably not going to be as damaging as Obamneycare!

    • Aaron Gardner

      First, it never went anywhere.

      And second, the idea was to allow *private* insurance to be used on both sides of the border in order to help eliminate the cost of illegals receiving medical care at the expense of the Texas taxpayers. In other words, it wasn’t a government plan.

  • clintonformccain

    Is not as much of a red-meat hot button issue with the conservative base as allowing children of illegal immigrants to attend Texas community colleges. That’s more of a litmus test.

    • retire05

      So does that mean that you would never vote for any candidate from one of the more than a dozen states that give in-state tuition to the children of illegals?

      Did you bother to research the actual law. Or know that the children of illegas must reach a much high bar (three years in a Texas high school, graduating compared to the 12 month rule with no Texas high school graduation rate required for legal immigrants and citizens of other states)?

      And what is a greater litums test: in-state tuition for the children of illegals, or hiring illegals like Romney did?

      Romney used the same attack against Guiliani and Huckabee. Huckabee won the Iowa caucus on Jan. 3, 2008 and Romney dropped out of the race the following February (the very next month).

      • clintonformccain

        about the tuition at Texas community colleges

    • txpat

      Obamacare effects all Americans.

      • izoneguy

        to the tune of $500 Million and in a few months payments to MediCare doctors will be slashed. It is the democrats who want to throw granny off the cliff.
        Obama’s base is the fat union cats and the young OWS protestors who are young and stupid enough to not need or worry about healthcare.
        This will affect every American….

        Tuition to kids of illegals does not affect every American – as a matter of
        fact only about 16,000 students per year in Texas use the program.
        That is about .00005% of the American population.

      • madeyoulook

        illegals. That’s no different than Obama.

    • texanlady

      The kids were already living here. Better to give them in state tuition and turn them into productive citizens than living on welfare. It does not compare to state mandated healthcare.

      • madeyoulook

        Otherwise, Mexico has many educational opportunities. If you moved here, you can move back.

  • Scope

    right now to endorse Romney, according to Rush. Rush believes that the establishment wants to wrap up the Romney win ASAP so that no conservative can gain any hold. The establishment dreads the thought of any conservative gaining the nomination. I guess, as many of us have said for a while, Christie is not a conservative, but rather is clearly in the establishment.

    • APA Guy

      IMHO, Christie’s endorsement will further harm Romney in the end, not help him. One Eastern RINO endorsing another…hardly news, but solidifies Romney’s status as the least desirable Republican in the race.

      • earlgrey

        with people.

        No one is going to accuse Mitt Romney of being that way.

        I liked Christie, but I didn’t think he could beat Obama and a national race could have gotten in the way of whatever improvements he is doing in NJ. He deserves a chance to improve things.

        I find the whole primary a depressing nightmare. So much time and effort in conservative activism, and this is what we get????

        • Jim Tomasik

          ljkhuhouim,nkl’

        • Common_Cents

          There seems to be some back room campaign deals going on.

          Cain/Romney having a love fest, Christie endorsing Romney immediately after not running.

    • explodinghead

      So who gets the VP pick T-Paw, Christie, or can Cain leverage his delegates and beat out the great and mighty Christie.

  • capitalistpig

    I cant see myself supporting either of them,and the Tea Party is once again getting the wool pulled over their eyes.

  • Massachusetts_Transplant

    . . . is simple. He is smarter than Rick Perry.

    He also won’t embarass us as another tongue-tied, cliche-speakin’, inarticulate “spokesperson” for Republicans that can’t explain conservative economics; and he doesn’t have any skeletons in the closet – like Perry seems to. Furthermore – for Romney, business and economics is a matter to be debated at the federal level – but faith is a private matter whether one is Mormon, Catholic, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, or Atheist. Mitt Romney would never be caught dead around a two-bit charlatan like the Rev. Robert Jeffress. We don’t have religious tests in this country for political office – although someone needs to tell Perry and his good friend Rev Jeffress that. I wonder what Jeffress would have said to the crowd if Eric Cantor were running for President?

    To the article at hand – amazing how you all take the bait over what Isikoff writes – the same guy who reported that Korans were being flushed down the toilets at Gitmo. And, most importantly so what about the article – if you actually read it, it names 3 people, none of who were even in the Romney Administration. It would be one thing if it was Romney himself or one of Romney’s long-time aides. But this is an MIT professor who was paid 380K to consult with the Obama Admin – would you expect him to say no? For 380K . . . and he probably got to keep his day job? Clearly this story will be brought up tonight at the debate – and I am sure Romney will point out that neither he, nor any of his aides in the Governors office ever worked with the Obama Admin – and nor did Obama ever call him. And once again – it will give Romney the opportunity to distinguish his plan from Obamas. And once again – Romney will do it articulately, will not get defensive, and won’t resort to saying that his opponents “don’t have a heart”. Watch tonight and deep down you’ll be thinking “I only wish Rick Perry was that articulate”.

    Lastly – lets get a few facts straight here:

    1) Romney got 49.77% of the vote in Massachusetts in 2002 – running for Governor for an open seat in a good GOP year. Running for reelection as the incumbent Governor that same year, Rick Perry got 57.8% of the vote. However – when you consider the hapless John McCain got 55.5% of the vote in Texas in 2008 and just 36.2% of the vote in Massachusetts that year, which win is more impressive? Lets also remember George Bush got 59% and 61% in his two presidential runs, and that Perry got all of 39% in his 2006 reelection and 54.97% in his 2010 reelection (less than 55% in a great Republican year?). All in all – you could say that Perry has underperformed in Texas as he never bested Bush even in a year like 2010 – and his best finish was only 2% better than McCain in a terrible Republican year.

    2) Texas Economy and “47th in job creation” – give Rick Perry credit for not messing things up, but don’t give him credit for hitting a triple, when he came in to pinch run. Texas has no state income tax, is a right to work state, and has great energy resources. And I don’t want to bash Texas – I like Texas and think its business friendly climate is a great testament to conservative economics vis a vis a state like California. But unless you have lived in Massachusetts, you cannot really understand how hopeless it is and how challenging it is to turn around a stagnant northeastern economy that has had 50 years of hyper-liberalism baked into its cake. One of the reasons Romney was elected was because the Acting Governor – Jane Swift was powerless and basically complict in stopping a massive tax hike that was passed by the veto proof Democrat legislature. This tax hike went into effect as an “anti-stimulus” in 2002/2003 – right as Romney was getting started. Besides Massachusetts has one of the most bloated and corrupt public sectors in the country – that almost rivals Illinois or New Jersey. And Romney fought the good fight against bloat and patronage – because as a businessman it makes him sick to think of these unproductive people on the dole. Massachusetts also has something called the “Pacheco Law” – which is like Massachusetts own Davis-Bacon gift to the Unions – making all projects more expensive as its almost impossible for non-union firms to get contracts. Try getting that repealed! The fact is – high taxes; a bloated, inefficient government; a pro-union majority in the statehouse; and an excessively heavily regulated state like Massachusetts can’t be turned around in one-term.

    Lastly – APA Guy – did you support Christine “I’m not a witch” O’Donnell or Sharon “I pissed away our chance to beat Harry Reid” Angle? If you did, please don’t criticize anyone else’s choice of candidates after supporting those two.

    • APA Guy

      In fact, I am hard-pressed to recall ANY of the available candidates in either the NV or DE races I could support, but thanks for trying to speak for me without having the first clue what you’re talking about.

    • APA Guy

      In fact, I am hard-pressed to recall ANY of the available candidates in either the NV or DE races I could support, but thanks for trying to speak for me without having the first clue what you’re talking about.

    • APA Guy

      …why did he implement such a terrible health care law? Wouldn’t that have been Perry’s call…you know, given that he is the lesser candidates where “smarts” are concerned?

      Take that freakin elitist “smart” talk out to the dung heap and stuff it. I can listen to ignorant liberals try to castigate conservatives for their perceived lack of intelligence because public education has taught them so incorrectly and they don’t know any better, but I’ll be damned if I’ll tolerate the same snottiness from a conservative on RedState.

    • APA Guy

      …why did he implement such a terrible health care law? Wouldn’t that have been Perry’s call…you know, given that he is the lesser candidates where “smarts” are concerned?

      Take that freakin elitist “smart” talk out to the dung heap and stuff it. I can listen to ignorant liberals try to castigate conservatives for their perceived lack of intelligence because public education has taught them so incorrectly and they don’t know any better, but I’ll be damned if I’ll tolerate the same snottiness from a conservative on RedState.

      • Massachusetts_Transplant

        APA -

        Take a chill pill my friend. Listen – I think there is something to be said for standing up to the elitism of liberals – especially in places like Montgomery County, Maryland and the suburbs around NY and Boston. I deal with it all of the time. Yet, I think the lesson some conservatives have taken is the wrong one – in that being smart and intellectual is some sort of liability. Look – I spent 2 months in Fall 2008 defending Sarah Palin from the “elites” and the “lamestream” media, but after awhile – instead of getting defensive, I conceded to myself that she isn’t intelligent. If she can’t name a single Supreme Court case besides Roe v Wade or can’t name a single newspaper she reads, or can’t speak in anything that isn’t a run on sentence – then she has a major problem – those aren’t gotcha questions, those are questions any VP nominee should know. The same goes for Rick Perry or for the hapless John McCain. Throw in George W. Bush and Bob Dole before him, and I don’t think I can stand yet another presidential election yelling at the TV screen because our guy can’t put together a solid, coherent takedown of liberalism. Simply saying its “Socialism” or “class warfare” or “fuzzy math” or “thats not what we did in Texas” isn’t going to cut it this election. We need a guy who will actually catch the glib Obama when he is constructing a strawman or just making things up – from what I have seen, Rick Perry hasn’t shown me that is up to the task . . . and therefore I fear another walk in the park at the debates for Obama.

    • streiff

      explain “conservative economics” as there is no evidence he really understands what that would entail.

      He started an oppressive environmental regulatory regime in Massachusetts, brought in RomneyCare which has seen health care costs skyrocket, and his private sector experience doesn’t seem very useful unless he wants to outsource the Armed Forces to China or India.

      On another subject: Constitutional literacy. You don’t have it. It is perfectly permissible for any person to decide to vote for/against a person for any reason. The only prohibition against a “religious test” is when the federal government imposes it. It is only in the era of “incorporation” of the Bill of Rights that states have been forbidden to have religious tests for office. Many people, myself among them, take religion seriously and saying we don’t have a right to use that in decision making is nothing short of anti-religious bigotry and contrary to the traditions of this country.

      You also rather grotesquely misstated what Rev Jeffress said in your diatribe but your lack of accuracy there fits in very well with the rest of your comment.

  • txpat

    That he does a weather check to see what his views are on any given day.
    I can’t support someone that I don’t know where he really stands on the issues that matter most to me.
    I may not agree with every issue some of the conservative canidates hold, but I don’t want a flip flopper as my canidate.

  • uncmike

    and Romney, Chris Christie, and anyone else can argue all they want that Romneycare is better for whatever reason, but that won’t hold water. All the seniors who got in the face of the Dems before Obamacare became law were really angry about Obamacare. If Romney is the nominee, he won’t be able to use revoking it as a campaign issue and capitalize on that anger. Besides, Romney would, if anything, likely favor “mending it, not ending it” as someone else once said. As some others have opined, how could serious conservatives support Romney with his very liberal past and current progressive/big government tendencies.

  • notpropagandized

    I wish someone who knows what’s going on would take a seriously deep look into a deal between Romney and Cain. Cain’s comment 2 weekends ago preferring to be Romney’s VP and not Perry’s VP really shook me to the core having followed him with great hopes for nearly a year that he could win the nomination. Since then I’ve been wondering if Cain’s only in it to help Romney and nearly everyone knows that there’s a huge percentage of conservatives ready to vote for Romney ONLY IF they cannot find a dependable conservative alternative.

    I started to re-warm to Cain in the last couple of days, but saw this:

    “On today?s edition of Coffee and Markets, Brad Jackson and Elizabeth Blackney discuss … the buddy-buddy relationship Romney has with Herman Cain.”

    This should be easy to clear up. HermanCain comes across as a bona-fide conservative. Romney is not a conservative and certainly NOT a conservative’s conservative. This is some serious cognitive dissonance. If Romney and Cain are in cahoots, then one could be forced to give earnest consideration to Newt, Perry, Bachmann, even Santorum.

    Someone please help on this!!! With quality information. No Paulista’s, please.

    • circlegranch

      Rush covered this extensively today. Rush’s assessment is that Cain has no money and not able to got he distance. Romney might be dangling the vice prez in front of Cain if he’ll help take out Perry, If Cain, who is ahead of Perry now in the polls goes after Perry but leaves Romney, who is the other frontrunner unscathed, it will be obvious that we’re being victimized again but insider politics. The Establishment wants Romney coronated NOW. That’s why states are moving up primaries with the first starting in Dec. They want to ‘take back the party’ from the wretched Tea Party and they have to act fast. As Rush said today, Romney ran for governor of MA to the LEFT of Ted Kennedy. Its not his religion he needs to be worrying about–its his flip flop record.

      • westcoastpatriette

        unless he is being used by Romney. The thing about that that gives me pause, though, is I believe Cain is in this for himself and it is too early for him to sell out to Romney at this stage of the game. But what do I know?

        • lineholder

          I’d say at this point that Cain is in it to win it.

          http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65632.html#ixzz1aVsZdiQZ

          But then again what do I know either.

        • bzip

          The shear fact that Cain dislikes Perry so much and can’t support a fellow conservative like Perry makes me ill.

          I’d like to see Cain as a governor for ten years.

          • Jim Tomasik

            It’s a load of crap but, hey, go ahead.

          • Scope

            you have already been outed as a Cain shill. Someone asked you what substance you have in this argument, other than h=just one liners shill for Cain. I believe some have pointed out that you have no substantive arguments for your guy Cain, but just keep hitting the comments with Cain shill like comments that have no basis in reality. Still, just shilling for Cain, with no substance, just like your candidate. Cain, the bumper sticker candidate.

          • Jim Tomasik

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/herman-cain-debate-plan-hit-romney/2011/10/11/gIQANjhrcL_blog.html

          • Scope

            That’s the best you have “Get lost.” Then you post a link to the WaPo. I’m sure you can do something better, but just haven’t been able to articulate it yet. Kinda sounds to me like “nice try.”

          • Jim Tomasik

            You are a bold face liar.

            Go try your loony mess on Wonkish1 again.

          • Scope

            bold face lie about? You really seriously need to back that up. You need to do it in a way that is more than a sound bite. I’ve been accused by you of being like your ex. Now I’m accused of being a bold faced liar. Back that up please where I lied about anything. Bet you can’t.

          • Scope

            I’m still perplexed why Cain has such a major dislike of Perry. Look for any reason at all that you can find for why Cain has been so against Perry, you can’t find any. I beg of the Cain supporters here to please tell me why Cain has had such a negative attitude towards Perry. What did Perry ever do to Cain? Cain actually went against Perry before he rose in the polls. Why? Can any Cain supporter tell me why? Perry was ahead in the polling against Cain. Cain is now up with Romney, yet Cain won’t attack the new frontrunner Romney. Why?

  • bzip

    I remember reading a article the other day where Perry praised Cain at trying to come up with a plan in regards to Cain’s 9-9-9 plan (though Perry said he felt there was some problems with Cain’s plan but praised Cain for trying).

    Also in a interview Perry was ask why Cain would not support him if Perry was the nominee – Perry completely changed the subject as not to turn the heat up on Cain’s remark.

    It’s clear to me Cain is Romney’s lap dog. Cain knows he can’t go the full distance in the primary.

    The racial issue is another fine example of Cain.

    Should Perry bow out at some point, I go with Newt. All the candidates have some kind of problem but New’t problems are nowhere near as bad as Cain’s.