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Some Thoughts on Judge Vinson’s Decision on the Mandate

(If he won’t front it, I will. – Moe Lane)

While trying to drum up business on Friday, between meetings, I took the time to read U.S. District Court Judge Vinson’s decision on the constitutionality of the mandate. (Opinion here.) I have a few thoughts; however, fair warning: I refused to violate my personal ban on doing legal research — that is, free legal work — while blogging. Feel free to skip this on that basis.

It’s worth noting that I’ve been before Judge Vinson before, and even when he kicked my tail (and he has), I’ve found him to be a very thorough, very good, very cautious judge. I mention this because this isn’t the first time I’ve read a Vinson opinion on summary judgment, and while they’re rarely bloodless, they’re never so heartfelt, so earnest as this. It’s pretty remarkable — he obviously cared enough to try to make certain that his rationale was clear for the lawyers in the case and the Eleventh Circuit and Supreme Court. He clearly did the lion’s share on this, rather than merely turning it over to his clerk.

As an initial matter, I now completely understand why the left side of the political spectrum is treating this as one of the worst affronts in the history of law, reaching back to cuneiform: Aside from their usual, knee-jerk, scalded-cat if-we-like-it-it’s-constitutional/if-we-don’t-it’s-treason response to any event that disrupts their view of how the world should work, I think it’s important to remember that most of the geniuses opining on this are either non-lawyers or lawyers and law professors with no real connection to trial court judgments (which means, not real lawyers). This ruling reads like what it almost certainly is: An attempt to explain a decision the court knows will be controversial in a way lawyers (read: subsequent appellate courts) and more importantly, non-lawyers can understand. It fails on the latter count, precisely because it is doing so in the way that people who’ve been lawyers too long imagine is necessary to communicate to non-lawyers.

But the non-lawyers reading this are generally self-identified political experts, and for good and for ill, that means these days, they read a lot of Supreme Court opinions, as well as the odd Circuit Court of Appeals opinion, and they expect all opinions to read that way. Those tend to be written in a mix of aimed-at-lawyers and more informal writing style (in dissent, and sometimes in concurrence) that again, for good and for ill, we now take as a given. This is written like a history lesson, with each step taken seriously, calmly, and in an altogether different voice from an opinion that ends with “Breyer, J., concurring in the judgment.” In other words, it likely seems too informal, too personal, for skinning alive a cat on which so many on the left pinned so many hatreds and hopes. Thus, their reaction is visceral, as well as intellectual.

Also, Ezra Klein is an idiot.

Second, I now well and truly understand that this entire exercise — from the final passage of the bill through briefing — really has been aimed at the Supreme Court. I’m not sure which sub-moron decided this was a good idea, but rather clearly, the removal of the severability clause in the final version of the bill, and the briefs repeatedly making clear that the mandate could not be severed from the main bill — when, as Judge Vinson notes, everyone knew that would be the very first part challenged — are of a piece. Essentially, this is a gigantic game of chicken, aimed at Justice Kennedy: If you discard the mandate, you’re wrecking this giant piece of democratically-crafted legislation. I didn’t appreciate this before, but it now seems pretty clear they’re relying on Kennedy the federal-incrementalist, rather than Kennedy the who-cares-about-federalism-jurist. It’s a remarkable dare. I think it’s sort of stupid — Kennedy is a bit on the dim side, and asking him to decide not to chuck the bathwater with the baby may be beyond his intellectual grasp, though likely not his ego.

Third, I’m surprised Judge Vinson ended up with this case. For a case of this importance, I’d expect an active District Court judge to receive the assignment by hook or by crook. A senior status federal judge is on the rotation for case assignments, but they have a lot of discretion to pass on a case. Judge Vinson is happily in senior status — I believe he goes to flower competitions — I can’t imagine he’s looking forward to the inevitable death threats. I suspect the chief judge didn’t push him to recuse because his case load is so light, and Florida courts (state and federal) are so jammed right now. That’s just a hunch.

Fourth, I have to say I’m amused as Hell to see the port side suddenly so averse to forum shopping and judicial review, problems they don’t seem to register when they get a result they like invalidating a federal law or act out of a District Court in Michigan or California or Massachusetts. I think this goes to a fundamental problem their legislators had when crafting this — they believe that if something (they believe) is so important, so complex, so huge, it must not only be necessary, it must be inviolable. (I’m not sure they believe that the word “constitutional” is relevant unless abortion is involved.) If you look over the government’s briefing, and the amicus briefing, it tends to contain a fairly specific theme: The majority of the bill is constitutional and of critical national importance; the rest of the bill can’t work without the mandate; therefore, it would be judicial activism and a departure from tradition/precedent/deference to strike down the mandate. (Without reading the transcript on oral argument, I infer that they stayed on-message there.) I think this was a terribly bad tack to take with this judge, even allowing for the fact that they’re trying to play chicken with the nine judges who lie at the end of this trail; but more importantly, this insight is the key to understanding the stupid concessions and arguments made in briefing and at oral argument. (Seriously? The government can maybe regulate childbearing?)

Fifth, this was certainly a fairly decently-reasoned opinion. I don’t agree with all of its nuances, but I’m (promise) trying to keep this brief. (No pun.) However, it’s kind of hard to escape the critical question raised in the opinion, the briefing, and the oral argument: If the federal government can mandate this sort of behavior from inactivity, exactly what aggregated activity can it not? I think all of the steam expended to the effect that the government can mandate any sort of activity that in the aggregate impacts commerce (presumably not even substantially) is debatable tactics and worse strategy. If Kennedy votes to toss this, that is what he’ll focus on. They’ve basically supplied the rope, the beam, and the knot-tying directions, and presume Kennedy won’t go through with it because he hates seeing things swing.

In the words of a colleague of mine, “you assume at your peril that Kennedy will decide that this is an issue over which Anthony Kennedy should decline to exercise power. Abortion, racial preferences, Bush v. Gore, the death penalty, punitive damages — there’s no way to make any sense of his jurisprudence other than a desire to have the federal courts resolve the issue, and then nearly 100% of it makes sense. It’s O’Connor who would have been horrified by certain things she saw as judicial hubris, not Kennedy.”

Buckle up, folks. The ride only gets more fun from here.

COMMENTS

  • PaladinLostHour

    Nice piece of analysis. Expanding on one side point – it is a testimony to Justice Scalia’s sense of duty that he remains on the Court, given the discussions it forces him to have with Kennedy. Scalia is a man who famously does not suffer fools, and it must be frustrating in the extreme to have to dial that giant intellect of his back to half speed to have a hope of influencing that dim bulb

    • fedsocdan
  • Spartan4Life

    Aren’t Justices Sotomayor, Breyer, Ginsburg, and Kagan bound to adhere to the Constitution, as well? When did our court decisions degrade to just a political vote along party lines?

    I am still hopeful that 1) Kagan will recuse because she is a party hack with way too many fingerprints on this to be objective, and 2) that the other “liberal” judges will have a crisis of conscience and actually vote to uphold the Constitution for a change. Sotomayor, in particular, has a chance to show she is independent from the political class with this being her first vote of substance.

    The greatness of our system depends on a judiciary that is seperate but equal to the political bodies. Is it too much to ask that they would rule on the merits and not just on a pre-determined ideology?

    The right outcome on this would 8-0, 1 recused. It would be good for our Democracy.

    • rbdwiggins

      Clearly, their version of the Constitution lives and breathes, and it’s subject to the personal policy preferences of each individual Justice… Empathy, social justice, economic justice and equality of outcome.

    • acat

      right from the start, have barely been “bound” by the Constitution…

      That’s not a complaint, it’s an observation…. and it’s one reason why Liberals have tried to get more of their ideological fellow travelers on the bench… quite a powerful position, being the decider of what the law really means… what the definition of the word “is” is…

      Mew

    • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

      …but I think you fail to realize that we are in a “fundamentally transformed” America now, where ALL that counts is the party line. Whether Americans recognize it or not, there has been a coup in Washington. “Packing the court” with socialists and sharia-promoters (Kagan conveniently fits both categories) is part of the process.

    • http://xmmlbchat.blogspot.com katesmith

      I read elsewhere that Vinson made special mention of societal sentiment for providing everyone with healthcare and that this was certainly something congress could regulate. The author said this made Vinson’s decision ‘bittersweet,’ as it threw bouquets where they did not belong, especially claiming this an area congress could regulate. Crazy. They all seem to fall in line with this these days, which is why none of them including Kennedy, can be counted on.The argument that it is a tax, which I understand Obama will use, might be easier to defeat. Mr. Crown did give me hope.

      • rbdwiggins

        Judge Vinson: In his own words…

        Conclusion

        The existing problems in our national health care system are recognized by everyone in this case. There is widespread sentiment for positive improvements that will reduce costs, improve the quality of care, and expand availability in a way that the nation can afford. This is obviously a very difficult task. Regardless of how laudable its attempts may have been to accomplish these goals in passing the Act, Congress must operate within the bounds established by the Constitution. Again, this case is not about whether the Act is wise or unwise legislation. It is about the Constitutional role of the federal government.

        For the reasons stated, I must reluctantly conclude that Congress exceeded the bounds of its authority in passing the Act with the individual mandate. That is not to say, of course, that Congress is without power to address the problems and inequities in our health care system. The health care market is more than one sixth of the national economy, and without doubt Congress has the power to reform and regulate this market. That has not been disputed in this case. The principal dispute has been about how Congress chose to exercise that power here.(30)

        Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void?

        (30) On this point, it should be emphasized that while the individual mandate was clearly ?necessary and essential? to the Act as drafted, it is not ?necessary and essential? to health care reform in general. It is undisputed that there are various other (Constitutional) ways to accomplish what Congress wanted to do. Indeed, I note that in 2008, then-Senator Obama supported a health care reform proposal that did not include an individual mandate because he was at that time strongly opposed to the idea, stating that “if a mandate was the solution, we can try that to solve homelessness by mandating everybody to buy a house.? See Interview on CNN?s American Morning, Feb. 5, 2008, transcript available at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/05/ltm.02.html. In fact, he pointed to the similar individual mandate in Massachusetts — which was imposed under the state?s police power, a power the federal government does not have — and opined that the mandate there left some residents ?worse off? than they had been before. See Christopher Lee, Simple Question Defines Complex Health Debate, Washington Post, Feb. 24, 2008, at A10 (quoting Senator Obama as saying: “In some cases, there are people [in Massachusetts] who are paying fines and still can’t afford [health insurance], so now they’re worse off than they were . . . They don’t have health insurance, and they’re paying a fine . . .?).

        (emphasis added)

        I fail to see how that makes Judge Vinson a globalist.

    • The_Gadfly

      Somewhere between 1929 and 1973. Although between 1980 and 1988 some significant steps were taken to restoring the court to it’s proper function. Since then the restoration has been rather more uneven.

      • pastisprolog

        nc

        • The_Gadfly

          But there are so many justifiably identified contributors to the problem that I felt it best to leave it as a time range. And like all great man-made disasters, there are many points prior to the disaster where applying logic and wisdom to constitutional interpretation instead of Progressive ideology would have prevented the disaster. I chose 73 as the end because after Roe vs Wade it just became comical in the same way that the LSM claiming to be unbiased had become comical.

  • rbdwiggins

    Your wit, candor and literary flair never cease to amaze or impress. I truly miss those “.org” days. And with that in mind, I wish Moe would have left this post in the member diaries. Atop the recommended list for days-on-end would have accomplished more than its elevation, IMHO.

    One note: Should nine more states join with Florida et al, Virginia and Oklahoma, Justice Kennedy’s interpretation would likely become moot. I’m not sure at this point which, exactly, those ‘nine’ might be, but should the various Tea Parties seriously wish to exercise their collective powers, this is one of the constitutional issues for which they were created.

  • itrytobenice

    that BO doesn’t get another SC appointment. It is scary enough to be relying on Kennedy’s hubris.

    If the liberals get a block of 5 Kagan/Sotomeyer/Ginsburgs we are well and truly screwed.

    • rickbull

      Obama only needs one more . . .

  • KC

    The sale of health insurance across state lines is currently prohibited by law.

    So how can Government make the case that it falls under the “interstate” commerce clause?

  • sarg01

    It was supposed to be added in conference between the House and Senate bills.

    The problem (for the Dems) was that after they lost the Brown special election, they no longer had the votes to pass a conference report. Therefore, they elected to forgo the conference and “deem” the Senate bill.

    Recalling this made Vinson’s opinion especially amusing, because he came out with the legal equivalent of “that’s what you get for trying to sneak around the results of elections”.

    • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

      Interesting theory….

      • redneck_hippie

        “The Plan: First, conservatives will object to the appointment of the conferees. This is not a motion, so it is non-debatable. An objection cannot be overcome unless the Senator making the objection caves. Let?s hope Senator McConnell agrees with this approach ? but regardless, the objection shall be made.

        This forces two votes in the U.S. House, one vote to amend the Senate bill on the House floor, since the Senate bill likely cannot pass the House unamended, and will force another vote on final passage of the amended House bill.

        So, first, conservatives force two votes in the House, by preventing the appointment of the conferees, and therefore, preventing a House-Senate Conference.”

        http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/12/20/the-extraordinary-measures-needed-to-kill-the-bill/

        and

        http://www.redstate.com/dan_perrin/2009/12/24/the-best-christmas-present-ever-senator-demint-objects-to-the-appointment-of-the-conferees/

  • penguin2

    here at RedState. Everyone was so right. Thank you for your excellent analysis of the ruling, along with the sidebar info. Makes it even more interesting.

    Looking forward to you keeping us briefed.

  • sta46

    not just for the frontal assaults on our liberties contained in this abomination of a bill, but for the following:
    Whoever the puppet-master for out self-appointed potentate may be, he/she is not stupid. Ergo, since the left has been working towards these goals for uncountable decades while most americans “slept” (myself included,but i’m AWAKE now) why would they leave the success or failure of their “crown jewel” to the decision of basically one Supreme? This made me wonder if the fix is already in or if our dictator/his puppet-master is planning on having an opportunity to make another appointment to scotus before this gets there.

  • scipio62

    It’s good to hear from someone who really knows what they are talking about.

    And yes, Ezra Klein is an idiot.

  • bobmontgomery

    ……the Constitution on the other. Hmmm. What to do? What to do?

  • johnt

    If Blah V Bluh establishes a federal power, then for all time and all cases it is a precedent inscribed on Stone and for the ages. It is vomit inducing to hear the bile about Normal People defying precedent, when there is at the least a boundary where power must be contained. with a legal rationale as viable justification.
    Unable to understand themselves they are left to an ugly self deceit.
    In other words, what scum !!

  • lineholder

    beginning to understand the manner in which our legal process operates, and most of the exposure I have is in the context of health care law.

    My gut instinct has said all along that this particular case is a dare to the Supreme Court. If they rule against this law, the honor and integrity of our judiciary branch as a whole will be preserved. If they rule for this law, the judiciary branch becomes mute, a superficial branch of our government with little influence.

    Is that fairly accurate or would you see it another way?

    BTW, thanks for using mostly “layman’s” terms in describing what is taking place.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    by half on severability aimed at J Kennedy.

    see also here for some paid (albeit at reduced rates) legal research!

    smile

  • boonerdan

    lineholder wrote, “If they rule for this law, the judiciary branch becomes mute, a superficial branch of our government with little influence.”

    It appears to me that the judiciary has already been neutered on this topic, as the Administration continues full steam ahead with implementation in the face of a federal judge ruling the entire legislation unconstitutional.

    Thank you to Thomas Crown for taking the time to share his experience and opinions on the ruling. It is educational.

  • Thomas Crown

    The give-and-take of judicial deference has a vaguely sordid history to it. SCOTUS famously deferred to Congress — and created the doctrine of substantive due process — in Dred Scott. Much of the first part of the New Deal was ruled unconstitutional based on then-existing precedent; it was only when FDR and Congress threatened to wipe out the Court’s independence through forced retirements and court-packing that all of a sudden, the Court identified a new, expanded version of the Commerce Clause that allowed all sorts of things it hadn’t before. (Much of Vinson’s opinion is tied up reciting this history, though not quite so tendentiously.)

    On the other hand, judicial independence is not always a great thing, either — reading any of the late-twentieth century SCOTUS abortion opinions (which touched state and federal law) gives you a feel for how dumb they can be when independent.

    That leads to a greater point: Stupid deference on one, or even a series of, cases, doesn’t break Article III’s independence. Given how few powers it actually has, the greatest risk it faces is that of losing the perception of its importance that it has cultivated in our polity. For good and for ill, even when doing something unpopular, even when deferring, the Court has regained that perception.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • lineholder

    that was designed to uphold and support the law…where does that leave us, Mr. Crown?

    We need some sense of laws to prevent us from becoming a lawless society of people. Right now, we’ve got a lot of example of lawlessness being displayed by agencies of our own government. Anyone with a lick sense of comprehends what anarchy truly is will recognize why we should not follow this lead.

    All the same, a part of me is concerned that there could come a day when continued lawlessness becomes so prevalent that citizens who would be inclined to abide by the law in most cases become hardened to the lack of effectiveness of our legal system, and as a result of it begin to move in the direction of adapting to lawless behaviors.

    I guess one of my “curiosities” at this point is to ask what means we may have to prevent this from becoming the reality?

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    …especially ones who can tell the difference between an idiot and hole in the ground.

  • http://www.FranBaker.com frankieb

    Reading Mr. Crown is like hearing my (retired judge) husband speak about the mandate and the severability clause. Both present well-reasoned arguments. The question, IMO, will be: is Justice Kennedy listening?

  • JadedByPolitics

    THANK YOU for this well written and understandable opinion of the horror that is Obamacare…please write more often :)

  • rbdwiggins

    but I’ll chime in anyway, if you’ll permit.

    The ballot box is our primary remedy. Elections have consequences, and that point can’t be stressed enough. It starts with the ‘people’ at the local level, proceeds through the state and ends with the restoration of the constitutionally limited and enumerated powers of the federal government by using a super-majority or constitutional convention if necessary.

    One point of correction: Anarchy is in the other direction. We are headed toward authoritarianism or totalitarianism. An informed electorate, the ballot box and the rule of law can cure anarchy, but once realized, only revolution can put and end to authoritarianism or totalitarianism.

  • http://www.timelyrenewed.com timelyrenewed

    Judge Vinson’s decision is good news, and we all hope that it will prevail when Obamacare finally reaches the Supreme Court two years from now. However as Mr. Crown points out that is not certain, and there remain substantial political powers who regard this vast extension of federal power as constitutional based upon the Supreme Court’s vast expansion of the interstate commerce clause since 1937. The only sure way to stop not only Obamacare, but the innumerable other ways in which the federal government has increased its power beyond the original scope of the Constitution, is to reverse those Supreme Court cases and restore the interstate commerce clause to its original meaning. Given how entrenched these Supreme Court precedents are, this will require a constitutional amendment restating the original, very limited scope of the interstate commerce clause. See http://www.timelyrenewed.com

  • fedsocdan

    I’m really enjoying this!

  • boxedquad

    Two great retorts to us un learned in the legal system, thanks.

  • streetwise

    While Obamacare can also be repealed legistatively, it would be so great to see this sleazy power grab, plotted in the corridors of power in the dark of night, torpedoed with one word: “Unconstitutional!”

  • fedsocdan

    I saw CJ Roberts speak a few months ago and he stressed the importance of accessable, readable legal writing. That’s exactly what you’ve given us here. The same can be said for the judge’s opinion.

    Also, I have to say, we’re going to have some great times at RS this year, but that Ezra Klein blast might very well end up being my favorite moment of 2011. Thank you sir.

  • skorrent1

    Or does this decision not have considerable significance beyond Obamacare? Imagine the impact if McCain/Feingold had been thrown out on first reading rather than requiring continuous nibbling around the edges. SCOTUS’ acceptance of Vinson could post a great big “Don’t Go There” sign in front of progressive legislators’ desire to continue micro-managing the economy “for the greater good”. I and the other “tenthers” in the country are hoping so!

  • acat

    we’re headed in the opposite direction, ever more central control.

    Sooner or later, we’re going to have people joking about making a local case out of things… because it will be laughable that something shouldn’t be decided in D.C.

    Mew

  • lineholder

    I do see it as being entirely possible that efforts are being made to encourage lawlessness, for the purpose of generating chaos, at which point government would step in and establish totalitarian rule.

    I really could use all the input on this that I can get. The situation in the health care community for the next few years is going to be touchy at best, legally. The hard cold reality of it that there a lot of us in the health care field who could find ourselves faced with having to choose between written laws and moral behaviors. I suspect that it is going to be presented to us that if we want to continue working in the field, we have to conform to the written laws, regardless how amoral or immoral the behaviors included in those laws might be.

    Forewarned is forearmed, as the case may be.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    Which means brother; we’re screwed. That is, those of us seeking this to be struck down…

    If there ever was a SCOTUS Justice who prided himself as a “neuterer” it is Kennedy. Accordingly, he will more-likely twist his opinion around a shiny accoutrement to personal legacy, rather than the relatively short-lived accolades given a defender-of-the-faith from the Church of Originalism.

    I therefore wholly and fully expect an opinion full of cozenage (or is it self-homage?) which dutifully explains why Obamacare needs to be kept for the sake of mankind, while trying to in-tandem to limit the damage from a grotesque expansion of governmental power and Constitutional massacre that will accompany such a decision.

    Imagine, we can spend incalculable fun, interpreting the very phraseology of such an opinion for years to come every time liberals want to invent a new governmental power which seeks to take further control of our lives and hence our liberty. Oh la vache! I can’t wait!

    Raise a glass to me being wrong (as only a lowly, non-lawyer who is more an observer of human nature, than anything else). After all, if I was always right I would have won the Playoff/Super Bowl pool (I took NO all the way….)

  • izoneguy

    The Supreme Court will stop the progressives?

    The only thing that will stop them is to take their levers of power away.

    They need to be starved and kicked into submission.

    Much like they have been doing to us the last 100 years.

  • lineholder

    from only the judiciary view. In other words, our laws become a mute point and there is no one with the authority to enforce them.

    From the executive branch, yeah, totalitarianism is probably more along the lines of the goal they have in mind.

  • edintexas

    “…making a local case…” That is soooo good!

  • acat

    And I will agree that the executive is seeking to become more totalitarian – that’s clearly evident in the creation of the “czars” and the unusual increase in the size of the executive bureaucracy. As I’ve said before, Republicans will be *lucky* to obtain congressional gridlock…

    The judiciary, though .. they’ve always been a more .. unusual branch. From John Jay’s assertion of judicial review on down, their function has always been longer-term … thus the speed of the bureaucratic putsch… Present a fait accompli and .. what can the nine do about it?

    Mew

  • d_lamar

    It might save America from the progressives, if it did. But it seems to me that even among our conservative justices, this would be going too far.

    I hope there are some legal scholars out there who disagree with me. If so, what is the most likely scenario for overturning Wickard, Jones, etc.?

  • redneck_hippie

    Now I understand why I saw all those comments.

  • itrytobenice

    I hate it that he has all that actual work that takes him away from us. He’s a magnificent diarist.

  • Brian Hibbert

    When Thomas (and some others) was a frequent author, RedState was a far more interesting place. Not that it’s uninteresting now, it was just better somehow then.

  • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

    …and SCARY.

    I like that phrase, “bureaucratic putsch.” Very accurate.

  • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander
  • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

    …each individual will have to make their own choices.

    Just remember, freedom of conscience is an innate human right. As Jesus said (paraphrase), do not fear those who can kill your body, but rather, those who would try to kill your soul.

  • rbdwiggins

    your worst nightmares will likely become reality: From abortion on demand and selective forced abortion, to extensive diagnosis of ADD and the unwarranted drugging of inquisitive children, to the euthanasia of our most vulnerable claiming quality of life, just to name a few.

    Nearly 20% of the American workforce is either unemployed or underemployed. The economic pressures on the family are mounting, and they will only accelerate as food, energy and health care costs continue to rise, and because the Fed continues to monetize the debt, the inflationary cycle takes hold on the balance of the economy.

    It is imperative that the Tea Parties take an active role in opposing Obamacare and the federal mandates, and it must extend beyond the elections. The public angst must be directed at the proper and deserved targets: The bureaucracies, state and federal, and the tort bar. The message will be best received and more likely to produce the desired results if it’s coming from one’s friends and neighbors.

    And don’t think for a minute that the federal judiciary won’t take notice should the cauldron of public opinion reach the boiling point.

  • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

    Never more true than now.
    I’m like you, sta46 — very nervous.
    After coming this far, and amassing this much power, what makes anyone think they would willingly give it up? I mean, they’ve SHOWN us countless times that they regard themselves as above the law; why should we expect that they’ll abide by it?
    Would Hitler have stepped down if he’d lost an election? Of course not. That’s why he simply took pains to make sure that there WERE no more elections. That’s what the Left ALWAYS does. (And yes, Hitler was a man of the Left. The commies have managed to brainwash people otherwise, but it’s a fact. The Nazis were socialists.)

  • lineholder

    what are the chances that we could lose one of the more conservative Supremes between 2012 and 2016?

    It’s another reason to support why conservatives of all stripes have to come together, regardless of what points we may or may not agree.

    If Obama is allowed to appoint another judge, fait accompli won’t be required. Laws won’t matter. The Constitution becomes so distorted as to have no true meaning at all. It will be replaced by a new law of totalitarianism, and the judiciary will let it proceed.

    THIS is scary.

  • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

    …which is this: What do you do when you MUST feed your family, but in order to do so, you MUST do what your bosses tell you, even if it is evil.

    This is ultimately how tyrants get what they want: They know they can make you do whatever they want if they threaten the survival of your loved ones.

    You know, Hitler came to power with only 37% of the vote in Germany. MOST of Germany opposed him. But once he got in, he had only to threaten people’s kids with starvation, lack of health care, lack of education and job prospects, whatever, to get them to buckle under and do what he said.

    I read a poem years ago by a modern American Mennonite poet, writing about the days of the persecutions and executions of Mennonites. It was about the moral quandary faced by a woman who was forced to choose between renouncing her deeply held beliefs or being put to death and making her children orphans. It was titled “Good Martyrs Don’t Make Good Mothers.”

    The poem, wisely, neither praised nor condemned her, as I recall. It was left to the reader to ponder the question of what they would ultimately decide in the same circumstances.

  • rpaton

    I would say the public opinion has reached the boiling point already. As another year of investigation into this fiasco goes on, all the warts will begin to show and it will become more and more likely that the ruling will favor what the people want. Every day we are seeing an open sore become more infected as the policy tries to be implemented. The best disinfectant is sunshine, and as hearings into how the bill was crafted and the lies told about the financial toll be come clear, the more the supremes will have to recongnize the danger. I’m not so sure they care about the legal nuances, they will have to care about the constitution being subverted to a point that they themselves become irrelevent. If there is on thing about the washington crowd they have to demonstrate thier importance. The whole of government is a comparison of resumes seminar. The court will not want to be thrown into obscurity over one ruling giving congress essentially unlimited powers through the already vague and overused commerce clause. The good news is that since this is such a terrible bill and increasingly hard to defend it may collapse prior to a ruling.

  • roppongibob

    A well written article, thank you.

  • rbdwiggins

    for the Tea Parties to begin a nationwide campaign to repeal Obamacare at the state level. But the campaign should not be limited to a single issue. A relentless multi-pronged attack, forcing the Obama Administration to continuously play defense on Obamacare, run-away government spending, the debt ceiling, the drilling moratorium, carbon tax and regulation and failed government schools.

    The voices should be loud and sustained, so that even Justice Kennedy takes notice.

    Note: Feed your family, and pledge that the rest of your time on earth will be spent working from within to depose the tyrant. Then pray to God that you made the right choice.

  • http://westforwestwing2012.com heartlander

    …if I had to, because of that single issue of the SCOTUS.

  • Mike Ferguson

    It would seem to me that if there is a simple repeal of Obamacare then that just leaves the door open for it to be brought up again at a later date, including an individual mandate.

    However, if it is ruled to be unconstitutional by SCOTUS then the individual mandate and it would seem to be socialized medicine are dead in the water, baring a radical change in the constitution. Not to mention it could be used as an argument for other such mandates that the libtards might try to impose.

  • lineholder

    which is very little and within the limited scope of health care, I think the statement you have made would be correct.

    Like I said, my knowledge is limited to health care law, specifically health information, and our particular aspect of the health care sector would have moved forward in implementation of specific things, such as electronic health records, in response to free market mechanisms, regardless of the mandates included in PPACA. The upcoming transition to ICD-10 is due to HITECH, not PPACA.

    I’d love to hear the response of one of RS legal eagles on this.