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So with New Hampshire behind us (and with any luck, never again in front of us), and with my tendency to be overloaded with life to the point at which I catch up on things I meant to write two to fifty-two weeks after they are timely, I wanted to say something about the controversy which was and is best described as “National Romney Online.”

For those of you who don’t keep up on conservative tendencies to engage in circular firing squads, a summary is in order; for those of you who couldn’t give a rat’s anus, best just to skip this diary altogether.

In short, National Review — which backed Mitt Romney in 2008 after months and years of not-so-coyly talking him up — and which has not, in fairness, endorsed anyone as a publication yet, is perceived to be carrying water for the Mittster this time around. The battle was joined when Ramesh Ponnuru — arguably the brightest of National Review’s lights, and the editor with the greatest credibility among mainstream conservatives — endorsed Romney, albeit not without qualifications; the battle escalated when the publication as a whole went full-metal William Foster on Newt Gingrich for a thousand and one sins against conservatism and electability. In passing, the magazine took shots at Ron Paul (who hasn’t?), Michelle Bachmann, and Rick Perry; then took time to praise Jon Huntsman, Mitt Romney, and Rick Santorum, whose only apparent problem was a lack of executive experience. The didactic tone at the end of the piece seemed almost calculated to irritate any reader not yet enraged by the closing of the piece.

The backlash was intense. It was so severe that Jim Geraghty, whose Morning Jolt newsletter is one of three to which I voluntarily subscribe, has remained defensive since. Jonah Goldberg, of whom we all thought only the death of a near relative could bring him low, sent out a G-File (the second to which I subscribe) that basically sounded like a particular Megadeth song.

Before I go any farther, I’d like to explain why I’m writing this. I was not one of the founders of RedState, and my position was nebulous from early on. I am not now affiliated with RedState. I still love the site and its denizens, but like almost all of the original staff — Josh Trevino, Ben Domenech, and roughly 783 out of the 785 initial Editors who came on board in July 2004 — my only link to the site is a past about which most current readers could not give two running leaps. (Or a rat’s anus.)

But I was there in the sandbox basically on day one, and after the first 680 or so editors quit, there was this great feeling of solidarity as we tried to become relevant in the 2004 elections. As I’ve noted before, we weren’t flush with resources — the Founders handled the whole thing out of their own pockets — and so we really appreciated any helping hand we got.

Jim Geraghty’s was one of those helping hands. To this day, I hold a warm spot in my heart for him just on the strength of sitting on some email threads with us, plotting, talking, conniving. I’ll always remember a phone call I had with the Swede after one of those email exchanges, talking about how amazing it was that we were actually being treated seriously by Jim Geraghty of all people. (We also discussed other things, like pie. Erick likes pie.)

And then there’s Ramesh. I think I spoke for the entire Contributor staff, or pretty darned close, when I said nice things about Ramesh when I resigned, and by the Kraken’s third head, I was sincere. It was my hope to write as well, as cogently, and as honestly as Ramesh when I grew up, a goal I hold to this day. I got one of the first run of his Party of Death, and read it cover to cover, enjoying every word, appreciating the serious, deliberate, intelligent, measured tone. (I don’t do serious, deliberate, intelligent, measured tone.)

And Jonah? I’m basically doing a poor imitation of Jonah Goldberg as I write this. Without any disrespect to its current leadership, I believed and believe that his departure as editor of NRO is one of the greatest losses the publication as a whole has ever experienced.

So, as I try to explain to people at National Review who will never read this, I want them to understand as they don’t read this that I’m saying what I’m saying out of gratitude, admiration, and affection. I’m being sincere because I think a gulf has opened, and I don’t think they understand it. I say this as a friend not a single one of you has ever met.

You have lost your way.

The editorial that sparked all of this is metonymic of the greater problem. Newt Gingrich has his share (my share, and about forty other people’s shares) of problems, in terms of record, temperament, executive experience, self-regard, this list could go on for forty more lines. The vast majority of those offended by the editorial were not passionately leaping to Newt Gingrich’s defense; they were leaping to attack what National Review has become.

Consider that in one fell swoop the publication managed to dismiss the longest-serving governor in the nation, with a record of conservative governance unmatched by any governor current or recent past, linking him unsubtly to a crank known for conspiracy theories and Ron Paul; praise Mitt Romney, who while apparently a model conservative (the sort who helps get abortion funding in state-run mandatory health insurance) has failed to seal the deal with conservatives for some unknowable reason; praise Jon Huntsman, whose entire campaign was a John Weaver special from tip to tail (this is not a compliment); and praise Rick Santorum, one of the greatest (if dimmest) champions the pro-life movement has had, and who was so conservative he went to war for massive increases in federal spending almost every day, and whose greatest knock is not his loss to an anodyne nobody by a margin that made even the rest of 2006 look like a joke, but rather a lack of executive experience.

You praised, in other words, a man whom only Kathryn Jean Lopez and Justin Hart could describe as carrying any sort of conservative record, a man who has spent his entire campaign shooting at conservatives, and a man who did more than anyone other than George W. Bush and Tom DeLay to stain the Republican image of fiscal austerity. In the very same piece, you treated a man with actual, real, conservative accomplishments over the course of a decade of governance as a tongue-tied embarrassment.

(Full disclosure: I like and support Rick Perry, but I believe and believed he shouldn’t run this time, so close to George W. Bush. At any rate, I’m pretty sure Obama wins on the strength of incumbency, so I feel like we’re having this battle for principle’s sake.)

To many of us out here, that seemed like the same sort of tone-deaf water-carrying for milquetoast Republicans we’ve seen for over a decade now. To many of us, National Review’s fighting spirit — against Republicans, that is — took crippling hits under the Bush Administration, to the point where we’d expect to see Roy Blunt on the cover as the Greatest Conservative of this Decade (Runner Up: Mitch McConnell; Second Runner Up: Charles Grassley) if Mitt doesn’t already have that award sewn up, too. At a time when the activist portion of your readership is hell-bent on stopping a fiscal nightmare and destroying Obamacare, your response is to praise a man known for a gigantic government program (incidentally, the model for Obamacare), a governor with a legitimate record of fiscal sanity who thought the stimulus wasn’t big enough, and a senator whose fiscal accomplishments all echo Medicare Part D.

That Ramesh’s mark was all over the editorial — writing styles are like fingerprints — stung even more, because it suggested a closer confluence of the pro-Romney forces of National Review and the nominally independent ones. It also felt like Ramesh was being deployed as a weapon against National Review’s readership.

Not only that, but your collective response to the Bain issue — which, remember, is going to get just the teensiest airing from Obama’s merry crew in the general election — has been like the sound of a thousand scalded cats screaming in pain and fear, but without the silence that comes after. Instead of understanding that a significant portion of the conservative movement is currently unemployed, has long had a streak of populism, and is vaguely certain that the words “hedge fund” mean “Wall Street” (and “Wall Street” means “bailouts”), so that Bain Capital is now symbolic of everything that has plagued the country for the last five years, you accuse everyday conservatives of being like Huey Freaking Long.

You are defending a rich guy, who was born into money and made even more, who is running as a job creator who cannot identify a single job other than his own that he created in a field that is known for chopping up companies to extract equity, running on the strength of that inherited and earned money, as if he is the same sort of exemplar of the free market as a mom-and-pop meat market. You are doing this in the middle of the worst economic environment of the last several decades. You are staking your collective credibility on a man who governed to the left of every Republican governor before him, for a single term, before he bailed to run for the Presidency, and who left his state’s Republican apparatus in ruins, but not before he created the monstrosity that became the model for the abomination that is Obamacare. You have done all of this while pretending not to endorse the man.

I am desperately afraid that this makes sense to you.

You have alienated yourself from your readership and your movement to the point where many of us read Ramesh Ponnuru’s work — Ramesh Ponnuru’s work! — to learn what the Republicans in Congressional leadership are thinking and saying among themselves at any given time. You have missed the flavor and tone of the Tea Parties and their impact on the wider conservative movement. You seem to believe that a continued (and admirable) devotion to the pro-life cause, not even always in words alone, is sufficient to excuse a politician for his manifold sins. You have forgotten that one of the founding creeds of the modern conservative movement is A Choice, Not An Echo. You have mistaken the art of the possible for resignation to the good-enough. You are, as I write this, conflating pro-market with pro-business.

You are supposed to be a beacon of what is best in us, not a reminder that some days, you just can’t win.

In the end, I suspect I’ve wasted two billable hours (give or take) writing this when I should be feeding my family, because I also think you’ve given up on understanding your customers. I canceled my own damn subscription something like five years ago because you insisted on publishing that perverted, paleocon, racist John Derbyshire against all sense and reason, but I still read NRO religiously until not very long ago at all. It’s sad to see the online site — that I read while a student in law school, surrounded by lefties during the Clinton Administration — descend so far, and the magazine go even farther. Given the complete absence of any change in your direction, I have to imagine you’ve seen no fall in your advertising revenues; as good believers in the free market, I have to believe you think you’re doing it right.

It’s a shame, and we’re all poorer for it. We’ll miss you, and hope you come back to us some day.

COMMENTS

  • Carol Tarasewicz

    I am not a Newt supporter, I thought he was the anti-Romney candidate of the time and expected Santorum to be next. I was offended by the big red headlines and the editorial slamming Newt and Rick Perry at the same time. I cancelled my subscription and demanded a refund.

  • zachv

    We didn’t have a single stellar Republican candidate step out this year. All of them were poor candidates with half of them (I’d guess) having little to no chance at besting Obama.

    Heck, Romney’s appeal to conservative Republicans has largely been, “Well, haha, at least I’m not as thick as Rick Perry.” Hardly a fearsome rallying cry. Still we’re going to turn on NR for endorsing one terrible candidate over another terrible candidate?

    That’s just silly.

    • Thomas Crown

      I’m upset because they endorsed Mitt this cycle.

  • nepanyrush

    Or should we say “Perry State.”

    You have lost your way.

    You have spend countless frontpage articles trashing Santorum, Bachmann, Cain, and Huntsman. Meanwhile, in order to support Perry, you have spend countless hours defending instate tuition for illegal aliens, guardasil, and now, shockingly, an attack on free enterprise.

    Take the following Perry quote, from Hill article on “right wing rips Gingrich, Perry”:

    “Perry piled on, calling attempts by Romney to sympathize with voters worried about losing their jobs ?the ultimate insult.?

    ?I have no doubt that Mitt Romney was worried about pink slips ? whether he was going to have enough of them to hand out because his company Bain Capital with all the jobs that they killed, I?m sure he was worried that he?d run out of pink slips,? Perry said while campaigning in South Carolina.

    As state in a Wall Street Journal article, among other places, Perry now sounds like Michael Moore. As Rush Limbaugh notes of the Gingrich/Perry attacks: ?you could have read this in an Occupy Wall Street flier.?

    ?You could, after all these bites, say, ?I?m Barack Obama, and I approve this message,?? Limbaugh said.

    Yet, RedState is now defending the attacks. Bizarre. Most bizarre, they finally have a great candidate in Santorum, and then for a week ran one negative front page article after another against him. Why? Because Perry showed up and spoke at a Redstate event and has written for Redstate. So Redstate trashes its principles and trashes Perry’s opponents.

    When Senator DeMint, Levin, Hannity, Rush, National Review, and other conservative outlets decries what Perry and Gingrich are doing, and Redstate continues to defend, maybe Redstate has lost its way.

    • Thomas Crown

      Other than that, you seem to be venting a lot of spleen where it doesn’t belong.

      • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

        It’s the standard “Activism means supporting all of MY candidates and none of THEIRS” attitude that we get from time to time.

      • federalfarmer1

        Enough to get away with it. Id add crony capitalism to the list, as I don’t see any difference between what Perry has been doing in Texas with wind energy companies, and other tech companies, and what Obama is doing with solyndra. Except Texas gives away tax money instead of lending it.

        I like redstate because it calls out congress critters that squish out on principles, but it hasn’t applied the same standard to Perry.

        National review, redstate, and other forums/ newsletters would be more effective taking step back and not endorsing or promoting candidates. Just call out the politicians when they betray principles and break promises and praise them when they stick their neck out for conservative principles. Readers are smart enough to judge who deserves their votes. Or in this campaign, which is the least despicable slime bag.

        • mirac777

          anyone endorse anyone until after the election, then we can all be content to vote for the Jello the GOP Grifters shove un our posteriors. Personally, I respect a serious writer/blogger/journalist that has the balls to stand up for something or someone instead of fence-sitting. Whether we agree with their candidate, at least they took a stand, unlike some supposed 50 million sheep who say they are yet undecided. $15 T in debt, the EPA killing domestic energy production, Liberal judges striking down State’s illegal immigration and anti-Sharia laws, and some folks seem content to diss the only man who has actually done anything, while being stuck trying to deal with Slick Willy Clinton.

          And yes I support the only candidate with any real conservative accomplishments on record Newt Gingrich. My second choice is Perry, because I do believe his heart is in the right place, he has solid conservative principles, yet in a 24/7 progressive media driven era, his lack of debate ability would let the Community Organizer’s taxpayer-funded pol-ops and press-corps have a field day. Let the progressive fence-sitting “electability” runts start beeching now.

    • cacharlie

      Thank God Erick encourages us not to walk in lock-step and reminds us that honorable leadership requires honest, earnest endeavor, traits rarely possessed by silver tongued devils.

  • clowngirl

    And I too hope National Review will see the error of its current ways.

  • submariner45

    on this site? Red State basically became an extension of the Perry campaign.

    Being an early Rick Perry supporter, it wasn’t an issue at first, but it really morphed into something ugly when things weren’t breaking their way. And that’s putting it mildly, Perry was a train wreck of epic proportions.

    And for the record, National Review was dead on about how dangerous a figure Newt Gingrich was for conservatives. The “1%” rhetoric he was using to attack Bain was a true low, now even he’s admitted to being embarrassed by it.

    • Thomas Crown

      I do not set editorial policy here, I do not write very much at all here, and the last I checked, RedState no longer held itself out as a forum for debating ideas, but rather a site for activism.

      I make no bones about thinking Newt Gingrich is a disaster in motion. I also make no bones about thinking National Review erred in how it decided to set out that editorial. Last but not least, I make no bones about my irritation at people blaming me for others’ acts.

    • http://www.dirkworld.com dirkbelig

      Disclosure: I don’t like ANY of the candidates the Stupid Party has put forth. NONE OF THEM! But of the steaming piles we have to choose from, Romney is the least terrible because he’s the only one who can plausibly win. This is fact. All the fantasies for the others are just crack pipe dreams.

      That said, the rapid descent into madness the honchos of RomneyDerangedState.com (formerly known as RedState.com) have embarked upon has finally hit such a shrill cacophony that it’s become unbearable to read unless you are a deluded Perry fanboy or bitter Newt clinger. Almost every article can be boiled down to saying, “ROMNEY IS THE DEVIL! RICK PERRY IS THE ONLY WAY! MAYBE NEWT!” It’s pathetic and Erick et al have beclowned themselves into irrelevance just as Newt has irreparably blown himself up with his OWS-channeling tantrum.

      I, like many, thought Perry was going to be like Aragorn, a returning king to save us from the forces of Mordor. I’ve posted here that all he needed to do was announce and promise Marco Rubio would be his Veep and Obama would start calling the movers immediately; potentially moving out BEFORE the Election.

      Then Perry opened his lazy, stupid mouth and that was that. As reported in The Right Fight Back, he was running like Fred Thompson without the gravitas. He didn’t want to learn; he didn’t want to bother meeting backers; he just thought he should be handed the job because. If he was pushed into running, then he’s a wimp unfit for the Oval Office; if he’s actually trying his darndest, yikes! Not to mention his enthusiasm for crony capitalism as he funnels money to his pals while forcing young girls to be vaccinated. How does Rick Perry scold about Solyndra when he did the same for Gardasil?

      Newt is a bloated egomaniac whose sole appeal is that people rightly think he would smack Obama around during the debates. Other than that, he’s a loser and a fat hypocrite; taking money from Fannie/Freddie and running a $500K tab at Tiffany’s while doing the class warfare hokey pokey. Most of us could clobber Obama in a debate and we’re not as corrupt or venal as Newt.

      To bash NRO for supposedly backing Mitt ignores the one they’re really shilling for: Santorum, whose “SAVE THE BABIES” rhetoric gives K.Lo the screaming thigh sweats. RomneyDerangedState has labeled Santorum a porker and that’s fine, but that doesn’t absolve the site’s whole-hearted choice to bark at the moon and cannibalize one another after conducting the circular firing squad.

      The plain truth is that Obama must not be allowed to be reelected. Nothing else matters. The fact that so much of RomneyDerangedState.com has forgotten the #1 item because they despise Romney so much. Their rage is so all-consuming that they can’t even stomach him winning and answering to a more conservative Congress. They’d rather let the nation die as long as Mitt doesn’t win.

      These are not the actions of patriots. Came back to reality, Red State.

      • Thomas Crown

        You have a great deal of bottled-up anger. Have an after dinner mint. They’re very calming.

        At any rate, you seem terribly upset about sins you perceive on RedState’s behalf. I didn’t write them. I didn’t direct them. I probably only read half of them. Direct your anger elsewhere.

        I note also that your anger has led you to more or less completely miss the point of what I was saying, so I can’t really help with that, your opposition to mandatory vaccination, your problems with state development funds, or indeed, the fact that you wrote “As reported in The Right Fight Back” in apparent seriousness.

        I would add that Santorum’s, as you put it, “SAVE THE BABIES” rhetoric is probably the most commendable part of his public history.

        Finally, I think we can all agree, once you get past your anger, that your penultimate and final paragraphs are silly hyperbole. Probably felt good to type, though.

        Credit for the Cheers allusion, though.

        • http://www.dirkworld.com dirkbelig

          Liberals. It’s the first move they always make when trapped by facts that crush their fictions. They immediately drop the subject and activate Alinsky Rule #13 about personalizing the target.

          I had a work acquaintance who I got along well with friend me on Facebook. We’d chatted several times before she got a load of the many Red State posts I’d share. Suddenly she got very combative and on one about the light bulb ban, blurted something about how companies should be forced to make better products. I asked her why she thought it was the government’s job to dictate what people could buy and explain what was wrong with the incandescent bulb which had managed to go a century without causing mercury spills.

          She immediately started screaming (via type) about how she couldn’t have such a close-minded, angry, blah-blah-blah person in her life and it was clear that I had no friends because of my rage issues. She then unfriended me and I’ve never heard from her again. In the name of her self-proclaimed open-mindedness, she slammed the door in the face of inconvenient truths and refused to explain her comments.

          So when I see the smug bromides of liberals wafting off the screen as you dismiss the decline of Red State from a useful information source to a pack of howling jackals passing fatwas against any candidate that doesn’t rhyme with “Bick Berry” as my “anger” (used at least five times along with several “hates”), you merely conform to the irrationality that’s sinking this site.

          Of course, the beauty of the free market is that while the proprietors can burn their playhouse down, the customers can seek forums where one editor isn’t raging for the destruction of Sprint and the posters aren’t in all seriousness posting how they are in full support of enslaving women as incubators because the rights of the unborn baby and the father trump the woman impressed into service to carry it. I thought unhinged folks like that stayed around the Big sites, but nope. The Taliban is here and running a self-righteous He-Man Woman Slavers Club. Un. Real.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            light bulbs have more rights than unborn children.

          • Thomas Crown

            If so many people from so many different walks of life are telling you that you have anger problems, you may want to consider help. You should especially consider taking deep breaths before persisting in misunderstanding, again and again, what someone is saying, let alone of accusing them of being religious despots.

            I’m betting a moderator is going to have a field day with the Taliban crack, but before you are escorted to the door, I should note that I have been with and around this site for seven and a half years, and not a year has gone by without someone decrying the imminent death of the site because of the perceived irrationality of disagreeing with the commenter in question.

            Or, if you prefer: This site will long survive your time here, but then again, as it won’t be off by the end of today, that’s a low bar.

          • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

            But not a “year” has gone by? We start to worry if several months go by without people telling us that we’re driving RS into the ground with our latest stance on [INSERT POSITION HERE].

          • http://jeffemanuel.net Jeff Emanuel

            Now you’ll have plenty of free time to spend there. Bye.

      • arthurjake

        Guy made the model for Obamacare. Taxed the crap out of gun owners in Mass. Expanded Planned Parenthood’s power in Mass after he supposedly decided abortion was bad. As for what he did at Bain I think that is relevant. I wouldn’t want someone with no morals in business looting the public like Obama has or Bush did before him. I would rather have lost with someone unelectable this time and have 4 more years of crap with the other side. Then at least we can say when things start to collapse are way is right. Hasn’t the party learned anything from the Bush years or anything by nominating people like McGramps, Dole, or a never ending list.

        • davesinsanantonio

          that you want to give him four more!!!?????

          Obummer’s second term would spell the final destruction of this great country. There will be nothing left to try to piece back together. And, that’s not hyperbole. Given four more years of appointments of federal judges at all levels alone would be destructive enough, but his regulations, his appointment of regulation enforcers, and his gutting of the military will leave this country worse off that the former Soviet Union, Cambodia, or the former Yugoslavia.

          • duanej

            Of hearing people say and reading people write such an idiotic question and one so predicated on fear.

            First of all, of all the candidates, including Der Fhurer, running this time, the least electable of ALL of them is BHO. None are more unelectable than he. If Forrest Gump ran as our GOP nominee, Obama would be beaten so severely that Democrats might well consider not ever proffering another candidate.

            Obama is NOT a force to be reckoned with. He is not unassailable. He is not unimpeachable, and he is not a candidate to be taken seriously at all. The plain fact of the matter is, the presidency is and will remain the GOP’s to lose so long as Obama is on the Democrat ticket.

            In 2008, he did not have a record to run on and won by the narrowest of margins. Now, he has 4 years worth of governing to run on. If that wasn’t enough, he has Obamacare securley tied to his neck and it is drowning him. All we need on the GOP ticket is someone who will say “Obamacare is bad and I’ll kill it”. That candidate will win by a margin at least as wide as the Reagan/Carter lopsided election.

            Having said that, why on God’s green earth, would or should we be “afraid” that we won’t beat Obama to the point that we elect Obama .9?

            Secondly, winning by any means necessary is not a victory worth having. I would far rather offer up a candidate willing to lose on principle than to lose mine. There was some guy a long time ago who rhetorically asked “what profits a man if he saves the world, but loses his soul?”

            Standing on firm principle will convince people we are right. Appealing to the masses and not demanding they see things your way is a loss even if you win.

            Reagan won a huge victory against an incumbent, but already defeated Carter. Reagan had a liberal establishment media railing against him and suffered under the heavy hand of the “fairness doctrine” which dictated equal coverage for candidates, among other things. In that environment, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity were not only not possible, but illegal. We do not now live under such onerous rules and conservatism basically owns the airwaves and the internet.

            To be fair, Gerald Ford would likely have handily defeated Jimmy Carter. The GOP could have chosen him as their candidate and it would have been the equivalent of voting for Romney today.

            Our enemy is down. We have him defeated (and by him I don’t just mean Obama, but the entire liberal ideaology). The last thing we need to do is place a weak gaurd at the door to “appease those in our camp who support the enemy”. We will likely not have such an opportunity to pick a strong conservative candidate again for a generation or more. Bending now to the fear that we might not beat a defeated enemy and placing as our standard bearer one such as Romney who is so much like the enemy, it would only give him new life through us is the wrong path.

            Romney may have broad appeal to progressives. I don’t want a candidate who already thinks like progressives. I want a conservative who will CHANGE PEOPLE’S MINDS and sell conservatism for what it is…that which is good and right.

            So please, enough already with the “oh you better elect Romney or you’ll lose to Obama” pablum. Anyone can beat Obama. Since that is the case, let us select a candidate who appeals more to conservatism and less to progressives!

  • sunshinek67

    with highlights from “When Mitt Came To Town” right now. Brutal.

  • rbdwiggins

    has got to be looking down with overwhelming disdain and disgust at what was once considered by many to be the “premier” conservative publication of our time.

    Well done, Thomas. Well done.

  • Tbone

    and raise you two running leaps. Well said.

  • myuncletom

    Is there any defense for this sites Perry infatuation?

    • jakeofalltrades

      only small-government conservative in the race,
      only man in the race,
      40% of all recession jobs in the United States were created in Texas under his governorship.

      • myuncletom

        can’t explain his plans w/o Bobby Jindals help and is makes GWB look like a rocket scientist. Other than that, he’s great.

        • jakeofalltrades

          Hypocrite.

          • myuncletom

            I made a mistake u should b used to that as a Perrybot.

          • jakeofalltrades

            Your username is also retarded.

          • myuncletom

            cause I happen to be black and I am owning an insult. And jackofalltrades is a great name? Sheesh!

          • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

            Dishonors are even.

          • jakeofalltrades

            Of course.

    • Vegas_Rick

      This is a conservative site. Not a Republican site, a conservative site. Most of the readers are also conservative and look to Rick Perry as the only conservative in the race. We are not all that interested in helping the GOP elite in Washington maintain power and continue to help the progressives flush this country down the toilet.

      And we’re pissed because so many so called conservatives are willing to forget about conservative ideas, values and policies in an effort to get a “Republican” elected.

      • myuncletom

        But to claim one site is bias and this one isnt is rich! Until u have a Conservative Nat’l. party, the only way to change hearts and minds is to elect Republicans. Or do u know of another way?

        • jakeofalltrades

          No one claims this site isn’t biased. Lern 2 Reed.

          • myuncletom

            or r u 2 stupid to make ur point intelligently?

          • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

            That did not mean ‘jump to another sub-thread and keep going.’

            Are we clear?

          • tailfins1959

            Diverse opinions are great, but that username reflects badly on RedState’s reputation.

          • Finrod

            This is easily the dumbest thing I’ve seen posted in a comment on RedState in a very long time.

          • tailfins1959

            RedState loses supporters especially when it bans instead of suspends. Visits does not equal supporters, by the way. If RedState had a lighter touch, some people that went through a Palin phase would have come back sans the Palin obsession. Ron Paul for example got almost half of the under 30 vote in NH. When they get tired of Paul, why leave them with a bad experience from previous contact with conservatives? If it makes you happy to put your time and effort on the Perry roulette wheel, great! However, if your number doesn’t come up, don’t take it out on other people. The process of picking a candidate has been refined over many years. It will all work out, the result will be the best candidate and that best candidate will have been made even better by the process itself.

          • Bill S

            email the Contact link at the top. It’s not up for discussion here.

          • tailfins1959

            You know as well as I do that the contacts link would just be ignored. If I sent my message via email, it would be as a letter to the editor of the Boston Globe, NRO and/or USA Today. Please advise. My time is valuable.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t find that the Redstate part of your time is about to be freed up…

          • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

            “email the Contact link at the top. It?s not up for discussion here.”

            And we don’t ignore the Contact link: we get a lot of good From The Mailbag entries from it.

          • tailfins1959

            If that’s the case, I will give it a try.

          • Bill S

            Every single email gets read. Not all of them are dignified with a response. A “no response” means “thanks, but no thanks”.

          • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

            the comment you made here in which you insulted a good number of Southerners and Christians?

          • tailfins1959

            Many in my circumstance would have walked away from church all together. I just found a different style of church. It also shows open mindedness to even consider a candidate from a culture I despise (Perry). The movie Deliverance has some truth to it.

          • Bill S

            Tell us, please.

            No, actually, that isn’t a “please”. It’s “tell me what you mean so I can decide whether you should stay here or you’re a religious bigot who needs to go away”.

            Next comment.

          • tailfins1959

            The one that “sings glory halleluiah then they sock it to ‘ya in the name of the Lord”.

          • tailfins1959

            Once I heal from the trauma of homelessness, I will be less angry. Actually venting here helps.

          • tjms

            of the lovely Westboro Baptist Church. They seem pretty open minded like you.

          • pttx333

            n

          • tailfins1959

            I just traded vengeful, petty Southerners for illegal aliens: Doctrinally still the same church. People that society messes with doesn’t mess with other people.

          • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

            There is probably no “group” of people on earth who share a title who are so incredibly diverse and, frankly, at odds with one another than Baptists.

            You’ve got your Southern Baptists, your American Baptists, your Independent Baptists, and at least two dozen other sects who call themselves Baptists. They vary greatly in their theology – while being in agreement on the fundamentals of what constitutes the Christian faith – and those disagreements are not at all minor either from denomination to denomination or within any of the denominations.

            One central fact about Baptists is that they universally consider each congregation to be an entity and they exercise virtually no central denominational control over the individual congregations or ordination of pastors. There is the potential to walk into two [pick a name] Baptist churches and find very little similarity in the operation, management or message (although they will both be “Christ centered”) between the congregations.

          • Jack_Savage

            You think your little jihad against Southerners is making us look bad, when it is exactly the opposite. When you wrote “vengeful” and “petty” referring to Southerners, without the least bit of self-awareness or irony, it actually made me laugh out loud.

            Indifference from your fellow church goers was probably as kind a response as you could have hoped for, and far more kind than you deserved. I regret every minute I spent giving you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps you need to hear what I wrote in the paragraph I just deleted, but the truth is simply too cruel sometimes so I will let you attempt to figure it out on your own.

            I feel sorry for you. I truly do. I hope you get a grip on your hatred, and the Bible you say you know so well is a great place to start. But I am grateful you moved up north, sincerely hope you stay there forever, and hope you can convince more like you to do the same.

          • pttx333

            there are so many offshoots calling themselves Baptist who, in reality, haven’t the faintest kinship with Baptists. Number one that comes to mind is that lunatic group protesting at soldiers’ funerals – trust me, they are NOT remotely related to anything Baptist. So, don’t give me that malarkey.

            Though not a Baptist today, I was brought up in that faith, have many relatives/ancestors who are/were ministers and also spent thousands of hours in church and Sunday School, and I will defend what you allege because I CAN. You do not know what you’re talking about, so try another story.

            It would seem that your “I just traded vengeful, petty Southerners for illegal aliens” rant reflects something truly bad or lacking in your basic makeup as a human.

            Could it be the water you’re drinking or perhaps some out-there stimuli? None of what you say makes sense.

          • pttx333

            brought up as a Southern Baptist. And, believe me, you have offended me mightily with your words – even though I am not a Baptist today, I have not forgotten the teachings and remember them well,

        • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

          When we banned you the first time?

          • gekster

            freetn.

        • Vegas_Rick

          Santorum, who both believe government is the answer, will not change a thing. Bush was supposedly a conservative, and look what his big government “solutions” have done to erode the Republican brand.

          Electing squishy big government Republicans is not the answer. It’s not the fact that NRO is biased, we would hope they would be. It’s the fact that it was once a proud conservative outlet which has morphed into an outlet for the inside the beltway Republican elite.

          • myuncletom

            I agree that we shouldnt elect Big Gov Repubs, but we also should realize that the we are not alone in being allowed to vote in this country. We lost the last election because the middle voted for Obama. Depending on which state you live in…. we should elect the most conservative person that can win. Perry would win in Mass. and Romney wouldn’t win in Texas. Its a shame but its the truth.

          • Vegas_Rick

            isn’t a conservative at all? This is what were dealing with with Romney. He doesn’t have a conservative bone in his body. And he will not advance conservative ideas or principles.

            Everyone says he had to moderate his positions to get elected in Mass.

            My question: Why would anyone run for office KNOWING that he would have compromise his principles? THAT is my biggest problem with Romney.

          • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

            You’ve been deemed superfluous to requirements.

          • duanej

            Republicans that reflect the values of the middle. We need a Republicans that reflect the values of conservatism and freedom. The broadest cross section of Americans believe America is exceptional and they self-identfy as having conservative values. 80% of Americans identify with conservative values. Making the appeal to that which unites us (conservatism) will win and draw the middle in. In short, don’t move the tent…MOVE THE ELECTORATE!!!

        • duanej

          Is claiming (antagonistically anyway) that NRO is bias or that RedState is not. That’s a pretty sophomoric reading of his post.

          Crown is quite clearly and rather eloquently jabbing NRO for once being VERY VERY biased towards strong conservative candidates; a position which brought them no small amount of noteriety and readership. It appears that for Crown it is painful to now watch NRO pandering to the most milquetoast of all pretend conservative establishment elitist RINO Republicans.

          • Thomas Crown

            Though I wouldn’t describe the folks involved as “the most milquetoast of all pretend conservative establishment elitist RINO Republicans,” Jim Jeffords and Rhode Island’s current governor no longer being in the party.

          • duanej

            ;) and with all good humor, I will add the qualifier “currently in the GOP primary race” to my previous description. While you may or may not see Romney (or Huntsman) as “the most milquetoast of all pretend conservativce establishment elitist RINO Republicans…currently in the race” I certainly do, To the extent I put words in your mouth, I apologize. I certainly inferred no great joy on your part to the prospect of a Romney presidential campaign.

      • cacharlie

        Talk about a winner! You and Mr. Crown underscore Erick’s value to me in trying to become a useful citizen of the American Republic! Right now I’m trying to fight off the notion that I know better than everyone else how to run this country! I’ve been horrified to see Ann Coulter and other formerly informative commentators act like we, the people, need to be on a leash. Listening to Rove and O’Reilly and “McCristol” declare Governor Perry toast makes me sick.

  • Adjoran

    that NRO isn’t as unbiased as the genius class here at RedState.

    The fact is this site contributed to making Perry the Fred Thompson of the 2012 cycle. Conservatives sought a spokesman when the intial field failed to excite. Instead of allowing things to unfold, supporters of Perry/Thompson hyped him beyond all possibility of delivering before he decided to enter.

    Had Perry quietly entered the race without the ridiculous and exaggerated fanfare, he’d have started out at 10-12% just based on his record and conservative reputation. Early missteps in debates would not have been so significant from someone back in the field. He might have built up momentum and organization slowly and methodically, finished better in Iowa and NH and been poised to roll the South up.

    But with the overblown expectations, the first couple of gaffes burst the balloon. Ever try to reinflate a burst balloon?

    Now he is reduced to pitiful desperation, sounding more like a dirty OWS hippy railing against capitalism than the most successful Governor in the country.

    When y’all do the post mortem on the campaign, better look in the mirror first.

    • Thomas Crown

      Clearly, what I was writing about was bias. Heck, that’s so subtly in there that even I didn’t realize it, but golly gosh gee, all this stuff about picking candidates out of touch with the zeitgeist — clearly, that’s really about bias.

      I do want to address your point about Perry’s entrance. While one could debate the extent of RedState’s influence on the perception of the entry, there is a term for people who enter the race in a low-key way: Losers. (Others: “Gary Johnson” and “Buddy Roemer.”) While a large fraction of the people who come in loud lose — indeed, all but one will lose — coming in quietly is a mark of someone who either lacks the organization or will to win.

      But I think RedState will appreciate your perception of its influence.

  • nancylee

    I used to subscribe to National Review, many years ago. It was a far cry then from what it has become today — a mediocre publication that worships at the feet of the Establishment, Big Government, Cocktail Party, Republican Leadership.

    Phooey. Goodbye and good luck. I’ll go with American Spectator unless it follows NR down the same road.

  • indieinvirginnie

    NRO threw in the towel too early. That’s what it all boils down to, isn’t it? I suspect that almost every one of the posters on this thread, as well as Mr. Crown, would get up early to vote for any of the Republican nominees over Presdient Obama– though, not knowing any of the afore-mentioned folks, I could be wrong. If I am right about that, though, the real question at issue seems to be just when to do that “coalescing” thing.

    We are all nervous, because we have a feeling that really, really bad things are quite likely to happen in a second Obama term. Every election claims to be the most important one in 100 years, but this time it feels real.

    I happen to discagree with NRO (and A Coulter and others) who have apparently decided that it is coalescing time. But I don’t fault them for their decisions on the matter.

    I do think that trashing Republican nominees is a singularly bad idea, regardless where it is done.

  • Crash71234

    I have written many similar comments. They were all censored.

    I wrote authors directly. No reply.

    The are in their own bubble.

    • Thomas Crown

      Sorry, was this directed to me?

      • jakeofalltrades

        I did a double-take too.

      • Crash71234

        This article was about NRO.
        My comments are also about NRO.

  • kharve3

    Russell Kirk said, I think properly, that a conservative is any man who chooses to call himself such. Ours really is a big tent. Kirk identified (I don’t suggest he is the ultimate authority, but a good place to start) six canons of conservative thought.

    Among them, and the one we have seen on full display since 2008 (bailouts pre-Obama):

    “Recognition that change may not be salutary reform: hasty innovation may be a devouring entity rather than a torch for progress.”

    Romney and Gingrich both fail this simple requirement. It gets to the heart of conservatism, and their own. Their preferences and actions (Gingrich, my God, the man should’ve been a professor as he is obsessed with ideas) reveal that they have no conservative compass. The doors they have opened have lead to numerous evils, with more yet to come.

    I just wish recognition of this didn’t tear us apart. Two years ago I thought Obama would do one thing well in uniting us.

  • Dafyd

    I’ve been unable to give a cogent articulation of why NRO has been exasperating me for this entire cycle and the previous entire cycle. Last cycle, K-Lo seemed like the most vocal (and irritating) of the Romney gushers there. I don’t know when NRO stopped standing athwart history yelling “Stop!” and started saying “Expand the government and overspend more slowly than they do!” I don’t know when they stopped being a voice of movement conservatism and started being a voice of NYC / DC establishment GOP that happened to be socially conservative. So thank you for writing this piece. I know time is very precious to you.

    And I’ve wanted to high-five you a few years now for your by-line quotation. Minsc is one of my heroes. He might well say to them, “Feel the burning stare of my hamster and change your ways!”

  • Rachel

    Really nice to read you again :)

    That is all.

  • racetraitor

    The NRO non-endorsement endorsement of Romney was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. I’ve stopped reading the print and online editions. I’d cancel our subscription, but my husband won’t let me–he’s a huge Romney supporter.

    I guess I’m most disappointed that our fellow Catholics, Ramesh and K- Lo, don’t seem to get the point expressed so well by Pope John Paul II in Evangelium Vitae: There are many good things about a Capitalist system, but Capitalism can be done in a way that is objectionable from a moral standpoint. And I’m puzzled–no, angry–that they’re so blindly supporting a candidate who, at least arguablly, supports a form of Capitalism that causes, and even seems to rejoice in,certain morally objectionable. outcomes. Or, maybe I’m just looking at this all wrong.

    Thanks again for such a spot-on article. I hope somebody over at NRO reads it.

    Go, Perry!

    • cacharlie

      who need all the cheers they can get! Unless you are a fellow Californian, you can’t possibly know how glad I am there’s a whole boat load of them preparing to troll the Florida Convention. My closest acquaintance in this group says college Republicans in CA surged to immediately support Perry. I expect them to be the foundation for breaking this state up into more usefully patriotic segments – unless, they all move to Texas. My Central CA U.S. Rep Devin Nunes, a Ryan colleague, shows the true grit of those of us who still demonstrate bedrock conservativism – no matter what!
      Thank you for cheering me on, all you here who show interest in preserving this great nation for the next fine crop of citizens on the horizon..

  • Samsara

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  • Ned Reck

    To anybodty… who stakes a claim tothe previous… Bill Buckley publication.

    After the Gamecock led me toRush’s radio-show…I have purchased a copy of Rush on the cover of National Review… as one of the last defenders of our freedoms.

    I now spit on National Review for its neo-conservative and cross-dressin’ viewpoints.

    With our principles… we can not compromise… there is no turnin’ back.

    Ned

  • No Longer For Perry

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  • jeromefc
    So, apparently National Review has “lost its way,” has sold out conservatism (or something) for no discernible sin other than preferring Mitt Romney to Rick Perry.

    Nearly 2,000 words, and yet Thomas Crown can’t squeeze in the most important part of any argument: the facts to substantiate his thesis. All he has is a handful of lazy mischaracterizations of the candidates and a NR editorial.

    “Consider that in one fell swoop the publication managed to dismiss the longest-serving governor in the nation, with a record of conservative governance unmatched by any governor current or recent past [if you ignore the liberal parts of his governorship and his flip-flop record?oh, and how many of those Texas jobs went to illegals?], linking him unsubtly to a crank known for conspiracy theories and Ron Paul [nowhere in NR's passage on Perry & Paul do the even remotely link the two, though since Crown raises the subject, Perry has praised Paul more than once]; praise Mitt Romney, who while apparently a model conservative (the sort who helps get abortion funding in state-run mandatory health insurance) [not true] has failed to seal the deal with conservatives for some unknowable reason; praise Jon Huntsman, whose entire campaign was a John Weaver special from tip to tail (this is not a compliment) [fair enough, but hypocritical: RedState?s had plenty of praise for Huntsman, too]; and praise Rick Santorum, one of the greatest (if dimmest) champions the pro-life movement has had, and who was so conservative he went to war for massive increases in federal spending almost every day, [that?s exaggerating a blemish on an otherwise-excellent conservative record] and whose greatest knock is not his loss to an anodyne nobody by a margin that made even the rest of 2006 look like a joke [also oversimplifying], but rather a lack of executive experience [Fair enough, but still hardly indicative of any problem at NR].

    More importantly, I’ll put National Review’s credentials as a more serious, more honest, and more conservative publication up against RedState’s any day of the week. At National Review, I can read Ramesh Ponnuru endorse Mitt Romney and Kathryn Lopez vouch for his pro-life sincerity, but I can also read Michael Walsh argue he?s “plainly not” the “candidate the hour calls for” and Katrina Trinko report on jobs lost due to Romneycare. I can read the Editors disqualify Newt Gingrich from consideration, but I can also read Thomas Sowell endorse Gingrich (twice) and Jonah Goldberg credit him as ?the only candidate to actually move government rightward.” I can read Shannen Coffin criticize Rick Perry’s Gardasil mandate, but I can also read Henry Miller and John Graham defend it, as well as Christian Schnieder defend Perry on in-state tuition for illegals. I can read Quin Hillyer defend Rick Santorum?s small-government credentials, but I can also read Michael Tanner and Jonathan Adler blast his ?big government conservatism.?

    At RedState? Not so much. You can find more scrutiny of Mitt Romney at NRO on any given day than you can scrutiny of Rick Perry on RedState through any given month. And you all know it.

    And yet, Thomas Crown has the nerve to lecture National Review about being insufficiently principled and not being fair to candidates? RedState is the only major conservative venue not thoroughly disgusted with Perry?s ?vulture capitalism? smears, and yet National Review is the one somehow out of step with conservatism?

    Which publication lost its way again?

    [hyperlinks to all sources here: http://rightcal.blogspot.com/2012/01/in-defense-of-national-review-against.html]

    • jakeofalltrades

      FYI

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  • Aaron Gardner

    Nothing left to say.

  • shinglejim

    Tis a thing of beauty.

  • Finrod

    And when Aaron and I agree completely on something, you know it’s a rare day.

    Well done, Thomas.

  • redcal

    Simply perfect.

  • reformist55

    Lost me when snot nosed Billy Crystol mocked Brit Hume on Bill O’Reillys show for trying to help Tiger Woods spiritually! Made fun of Mr. Hume’s Christianity and he calls himself a conservative!

  • http://www.thehayride.com MacAoidh

    Yep.

  • hobiecat

    The conventional wisdome is that the RNC, inside the beltway republicans think Obama has a good shot at re-election. I wonder if they are running Romney as a toss a way candidate? This would get him off the stage if he were to lose to Obama and pave the way for a more conservative candidate in 2016. Just a thought.

  • OCBill

    Fixed it for you.

  • Thomas Crown

    Whatever his errors, denying Ponnuru’s basic intelligence is ridiculous.

  • dereich

    I would just also add Ditto for Fox News,

  • stealthalong

    weren’t so obvious. With intrade.com calling this a pretty sure bet, i.e., Romney taking the nomination at 87%, you’ve got to be pretty sour to choose Perry. The TX governor is a 1%-er in a whole new way after NH vote counts.

    Try and defend walking away from Mitt when he holds the attention of a broad spectrum of voters, conservative and progressive, at about 60% for both groups (see http://www.gallup.com/poll/151961/Majority-Conservatives-Romney-Acceptable.aspx). Smelling the coffee just doesn’t seem to be allowed at RedState. Where did you take a wrong turn?

  • Thomas Crown

    Clearly, the most important thing a flagship conservative publication can do is pick the candidate who appeals to the broadest number of Republicans, and then tout him.

    Oh, and a governor who supported the stimulus just before joining the Obama administration, and a Senator for whom no spending was too much.

    No clue at all what I was thinking.

    By the way, remember how well the Party and National Review looked post-Watergate? That was pretty awesome too. But they definitely backed the winner, didn’t they?

  • jakeofalltrades

    citing Intrade is just ridiculous. My magic 8 ball is more accurate.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    where the acquiring party represents previous denizens in name only. But I digress.

    No I won’t defend National Romney Online. Nor will I specifically defend Mitt himself. I ain’t nobody’s bitch.

    What I will defend is a free market and the uncanny ability some have to make wealth, no matter how grotesque others find it. In the salad days, we use to call that The American Dream. But I am old and nostalgic.

    Perhaps Republican defectors can start an Occupy Collective and run it in a manner consistent with their economic principles? It would have to be a NFP, since that seems to be some folks preferred model. I hear Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry may be available soon to run it. We can call it the Anti-Vulture Capitalism Ranch.

    To my amazement, I have listened as our Socialist-Lecturer-in-Chief and his liege reprimand our population for their “for profit” mindset (oh the horror), and divide our populace by their level of success and resulting wealth in a manner Engels would be proud of. But have I stepped through some time portal and back again? I really can’t be sure. Because now it seems some who were formerly allies are suddenly finding that a plausible, sonorous argument since it fits a parochial meme they believe will help their candidate (or is it hurt the current frontrunner? I can’t be sure). Vichy-Republicans? Opportunists? Closet Libertarians secretly wearing Ron Paul boxers? Again, who knows.

    So you’ll forgive me my friend. But it makes my blood pressure rise a bit when we start to use wealth creation as some type of diabolical vice to be scorned, like hourly billing or taking 1/3rd of a legal settlement. Well, that or a cutesy, clever punchline in an argument against a candidate who has other potential flaws we can expostulate over.

    I suppose this qualifies as part rant, part tactical disgust, part tired, overworked evil guy blabbering and being far too prolix. But it mostly qualifies (believe it or not) as agreement…except for the wealthy rich guy diversion.

  • jakeofalltrades

    Righteous.

  • Thomas Crown

    I take no issue with wealth creation. I take no issue with creative destruction. I take no issue with the free market, though I’m a good enough Catholic to believe some buffers need to be in place — voluntary buffers, mind — to protect people from the harshest consequences of a free market while they get back on their feet.

    I take issue with treating PE firms as if they are some sort of exemplar of free markets, or evince Schumpeterian perfection. They do not. They exist to create ROI for their investors, which is neither a good nor a bad thing in itself. I know it’s an article of faith that they create efficiencies, eliminate inefficiencies, etc., but they do not. They run something until it can be sold at a profit (usually improving it in the process; win); they run something until it can’t be run for a profit (wasting perfectly good resources in the process; lose); or they break it into the component parts that will allow highest ROI at the end of the day (coin toss, usually but not always a net loss). Some of these people are great believers in the free market, some are huge proponents of the death tax because then they get an easy run at an otherwise untouchable entity, some are Democrats, some are Republicans.

    What they do is not directly create efficiencies, etc. At most, they accidentally and indirectly do these good things; quite often, they waste resources based on highly imperfect information. I am not convinced that their model is a net benefit to society. I wouldn’t outlaw them, but I have no inclination to praise them.

    A lot of these folks are former clients. I therefore hold no particular illusions about them or their work.

    BUT, we’re off-track.

    When I wrote what I did, I wrote it to make a point about NRO’s selection criteria. If they are picking for the most conservative in the race, they are doing a poor job. If they are picking the most electable guy who now claims to be a conservative, they are doing a poor job because they are picking a guy whose private sector career consisted of chopping up companies for ROI and whose “job creation” record appears to be like John Kerry’s patriotism record.

    They are picking the one guy of the entire slate whose entire background is a plea not to be elected. On top of that, to call him a conservative is so laughable that, again, only his most devoted followers could do so.

    On top of all of that, on the foremost issues of the day, he is generally wrong and proud of it, though given how he’s now a big fan of the auto bailouts, I presume that means he’ll be opposed to the mandate any … day … now.

    So I’m not trying to engage in demagoguery. I’m trying to say that this is the stupidest course of action NR has undertaken since its defense of segregation.

  • acat

    He made noises early, he’s got a decent record, and he’s got a reputation as a guy who can smell Dem weakness… but he never really tried to get into the race.

    Not that I’d support Thune if he had gotten in, mind. Just .. interesting that his thinking may match the pack.

    Mew

  • gwbramhall

    Ann Coulter said maybe it would be a good idea to let the Democrats in
    to completely screw things up so we can follow up to the rescue and
    have our majorities for decades to come? Well, that was trash as we
    see the mess of Armageddon proportions. With a national debt of 15 trillion
    and accelerating a trillion + each year as far as we can see, we do not
    have the time to give the Democrats 4 more years in charge. The
    county’s future is on the line and this must be the turning point or we
    are doomed. We must not let our petty differences get in the way of
    winning the most important election of all time. Every one of the
    candidates have demonstrated Republican bona fides and I’d vote for
    any of them. Let us not poison the well with unnecessary invectiveness
    so we have a chance at getting our country back of sound footing.

  • pttx333

    skeletons lounging around, or even that they don’t want to go through the skinning that GOP candidates always get? Just a thought.

  • kamiller42

    Ouch.

  • stealthalong

    Isn’t sarcasm a fool’s tool when no other remedy avails itself? Try reason and candor, you may like the results more.

  • submariner45

    Isn’t is sort of hypocritical to blast National Review for its Romney endorsement when the founding Editor, Erick Erickson, endorsed Mitt Romney in 2008?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    So your opinion carries no weight.

  • Thomas Crown

    (1) NR hasn’t endorsed Romney this time.
    (2) Erick isn’t the founding Editor.
    (3) You clearly didn’t follow the arc of that endorsement very well.

    Other than that, great work.

  • jakeofalltrades

  • mbrat42

    second that ditto!

  • arthurjake

    just about ratings. I think they have decided they have an easier time keeping ratings if they have Obama abuses to complain about. They make more money with him in office. Same with Anne Coulter. Would be harder for her to write and publish a book without Barry around screwing things up.

  • Thomas Crown

    When confronted with someone who decides to ignore my argument and respond to a different argument than the one I made, or just says something stupid, that person is telling me I don’t need to engage in extensive discussion with him.

    Sort of like someone who can’t spell “defeatist.”

    So, really, I’m pretty pleased with the results so far.

  • jakeofalltrades

    lol

  • acat

    Not sure why it’d stop Thune et al

    To be fair, a “messy personal life” does appear to have stopped Daniels, something I still consider a major loss for the GOP.

    Mew

  • pttx333

    those you mentioned have larger egos (especially Slick) than some of the others. You know – “I’m so goood that people will vote for me anyway. I’m who and what everyone wants … me, me, me.” Who’s to know … I do know that I would never ever have given a thought to running for any office! ;-)

  • acat

    if pulling random citizens by lottery would get us a better or worse congress.

    Mew

  • jakeofalltrades

    That’s a ridiculously good idea. Let Congress prepare the bills, and then empanel random citizens* to vote on whether to enact them.

    *citizen being re-defined as non-banned members of Redstate.

  • pttx333

    nearest phone book and throw a dart. What a helluva mess we are in, ‘cat – all we can do is vote our conscience and let ‘er rip! That is what I’m going to do, and what I have always done. Sometimes it works, sometimes not – but I will have given it my best shot anyway!

  • davesinsanantonio

    defendable, but they are not “sellable”. That is, what they do may be legal, but most of the public will think that what they do stinks. In politics defending something does not automatically equate to gaining votes. So, let us be careful about thinking that defending Mittens and Bain will win us support in the voting booth. It will not! And, it may actually cost us votes we might otherwise gain. I am not saying it makes Mittens ineligible for the nomination, but to win the actual election there has to be more to his campaign that just claiming he and Bain don’t smell all that bad.

  • sadams

    regarding “buffers”? I have recently been going through the thought exercise of whether one can still be a conservative while insisting that people in business behave ethically, even if their actions are legal. For instance, the mortgage securitization promoters in the early 1990′s clearly didn’t give a fig whether the underlying security was actually worth enough to support the elaborate contractual edifice they constructed on top of it; indeed, it seemed to me at the time as if the real estate tax shelter promoters of the 1970′s and 1980′s had simply found another line of work after the 1986 tax reform act. So, no surprise to me it crashed like a house of cards in 2007-2008. But that begs the question: if someone in my hometown was conducting their business unethically, but concededly legal, and I convinced a lot of my neighbors they were unethical, and we organized a boycott of the business to coerce different behavior, are we “un-conservative”? I suspect many professed conservatives would say no, since a lot of them have supported boycotting businesses that provided same sex partner benefits to employees. But if that is true, where do we place the occupy wall street crowd on the political spectrum? Is it solely a matter of the ends they are seeking (liberal causes versus conservative causes), as opposed to the means they are using (private action versus passing new laws and regulations)?

  • davesinsanantonio

    Romneycare doesn’t smell all that bad either.

    While “stink” is in the nose of the besmeller, somethings just reek so bad that only the truly impaired will claim there is no odor there. Just because Mittens thinks that his record is nothing but perfumed glory, not all the voters will agree.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    What comes next in the line of distasteful professions? Lawyers? Oil Industry executives? Successful pastry chefs? I am simply curious how much is enough wealth and what currently legal means should we outlaw?

    What is “sellable” is that Mitt was successful in the free market and as a result accumulated wealth. The American Dream I referred to above. People want to work hard, be successful and accumulate wealth. Has the time come to fore in this country were we now say there are only certain profession or endeavors in which that can be done? Certainly what Mr. Romney and others like him did or do is not illegal. Is it “Distasteful” due to the level of success he achieved? SHould we now make accumulating a certain degree of wealth in a particular legal manner now…illegal? Sounds anti-American and Marxist to me.

    How about instead of all this we try to be a bit didactic? Simple things, like how many of the companies Bain targeted were in consolidation mode or losing share and manufacturing to Asia. How about the perspective that Bain may have actually saved companies by doing the necessary restructuring they were not willing to do themselves. How about the fact some of these companies asked Bain to help them…for a profit! Oh, the horror! Summarily, how about Bain was doing this by risking their own capital, didn’t always win, in fact lost some, but in the end was out to (queue the drum-roll) make money!

    See now, I have just made an argument defending the free market. I am not John Locke, nor am I Rick Perry. But I did it. Difference being I have no dog in this fight and only want to defeat the human Pandora’s Box that currently occupies the White House.

  • davesinsanantonio

    Laughed out loud at your title. Laughed even harder at the pic.

    Thanks for waking up my morning!

  • reformist55

    3rd ditto on Faux news, they’ve been for Romney ever since Sarah told Rupert to bug off even though O’Reilly was in the tank for Romney before that.

  • cacharlie

    or, if he chooses, Perry Campaign chairman!
    So great to read something that makes sense to me of the political babble.

  • Thomas Crown

    But I think you’re arguing principle where others are arguing optics.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    except a discussion centered on principle after your ?Schumpeterian perfection? comment. Good Heavens, man. What?s next, a debate on Universalsozialwissenschaft and economic sociology?

    I don?t want to get too far off track. I?ve already done enough of that. But I believe optics and principle are very closely related and it’s an important point lost in some of the political mobocracy.

    To wit, I believe many of these ?optics?, if you will, can be explained with a complementary discussion based on principle. For example, free markets as articulated by say, Hobbes, is easily explained in contemporary political language. Admittedly, Romney and his crew have done a terrible job of this. It?s also a sin many of us are probably guilty of the zealous quest to return our country to a vision J. Hector St. John De Crevecoeur would be familiar with. I simply believe many on our own side are helping to create an optic that is neither true nor something they completely understand. It simply fits a meme that we have heard ad nauseum from the current White House occupants. Thus, the misunderstanding, fratricide and circular suicide squads. That serves no person in our common goal.

    But anyway, not to belabor or divert the point you make (again). I suppose the vision of our candidate in Brooks Brothers suits, wing-tip shoes clutching Ben Franklin?s is admittedly not a soothing optic for the legions of unemployed people. The same way I suppose folks around the turn of the century had similar disdain for James Buchanan Duke (or was it envy). So that is a timeless issue. But in nonetheless requires appropriate redress because if Mitt is for real. There will be an extraordinary effort required to reverse the optic some of our allies helped create. That would be instead of promoting his financial prowess and ability to successfully creat wealth and mange finances. You would think

    So I apologize for getting off topic and hijacking one of the more thoughtful, logical articles I have read in some time.

  • Marcus_Traianus

    the bad grammar which is a product of haste and an inability to edit.