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The Watercooler ~ Friday’s Open Thread

~ Promoted from the Diaries. Thank you Westcoastpatriette for providing these informative open threads to the community. – Aaron Gardner

The local television stations broadcasted the funeral of Riverside Police Officer Michael Crain — one of the officers whose life was cut short by crazed ex-LAPD officer Christopher Dorner — in its entirety on Wednesday.

It was stunning. More than 8,000 people were in attendance, 4,000 of whom were uniformed police officers from around the state and some from out of state. Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Governor Jerry Brown were also in attendance.

By the time Dorner was finally stopped, his rage had touched the five largest counties in Southern California — Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego, Orange and Los Angeles — and turned the state into one large army of law enforcement officials determined to stop the carnage of one mad man.

The funeral was held at The Grove Community Church in Riverside and the eulogies were gut-wrenching. But I have never been more proud of Riverside’s Chief of Police Sergio Diaz. (Full disclosure: I live in Riverside and confess to a little bias in my views.)

Officer Michael Crain was a thirty-four year old eleven-year veteran of the police department as well as a Marine Corps vet. He was married with two children ages ten and four years old. Chief Diaz directed the bulk of his entire eulogy to Crain’s children who were sitting directly in front of him on a pew next to their mother. He comforted the children by telling them stories about their father who was well-regarded throughout the department. Then he reassured them that though they lost their father in the line of duty, the entire department of officers in Riverside would be at their side for the rest of their lives. Someone already posted it on Youtube:

After the end of the service, the thousands in attendance drove in the funeral procession to the Riverside National Cemetery where Michael Crain was laid to rest.

It was truly beautiful. Underlying the carefully planned ceremony was a bitter-sweet irony. While Dorner was a product of the more liberal county of Los Angeles and claimed that his deeds were in retaliation for mistreatment he received as an LAPD officer, the people he murdered, maimed and terrorized were all in the much more conservative surrounding counties.

It seems once again, the grown-ups are having to clean up after and suffer from the actions of the irresponsible left.

The Watercooler is an open thread.

COMMENTS

  • funwithknives

    WCP : Any chance of a link for the eulogy you mention? Written or video?

    • westcoastpatriette

      Let me look around. I’m sure I’ll be able to find it.

    • westcoastpatriette

      Here’s a youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQJN0Xfo_jk

  • Wubbies

    My one pet peeve about the Sequester, if it hasn’t been beaten up on enough….

    The so called “cuts” are nothing more than reductions in the rate of growth. There are no actual real dollar cuts. The MSM reporting, as expected, is bizarrely misleading as expected.

    Okay, I got it off my chest……

    • rabun1016

      There is a reason why Coke spends lots of money on ads. If you want to sell something, even an idea, you must advertise it effectively. To me, this has been a huge failure of the RNC to not budget and spend on current issue ads effectively done.

      • Joe Cor

        Free advertising is currently available to Republicans. All they have to do is argue much more bluntly with reporters during live interviews. Every premise of a reporter should be challenged as soon as it is uttered, and not with a benign, warm and fuzzy smile, with lots of bipartisan blather thrown in, but bluntly and with an appropriate sense of outrage. Add to that openly challenging the objectivity and honesty of reporters when they deserve it (which is, just about always). Also, they should control the inverview, not the reporter. If a reporter wants a Republican’s opinion on Michelle’s bangs, the Republican should respond with a denunciation of Obama’s stonewalling on Benghazi. If this makes the reporter mad, so much the better, that just makes for better television. All this would be viewed by live-TV viewers and the message would start sinking in to people that they are not getting the real story. Good exchanges would go viral and gain a wider audience. Of course, this takes a whole different psychological makeup on the part of Republicans, a disdain rather than fear of reporters, and a disdain rather than fear of Democrats in general. They have to somehow start viewing themselves as the “in” croud rather than their opponents. One would think that strike Republicans as a liberating, intoxicating prospect, but we are talking about Republicans, after all. But the avenue is open–wide open–for free advertising if Republicans would just think outside the box and use it.

  • Tbone

    Well, I hate to use this opportunity because it is a tragic situation but anytime a police officer is killed it becomes a display of the absolute elitism of the police as they turn out in force to honor their “brother”. The police in this country view every civilian as not some one they are to serve and protect but as a potential problem. Their closed society culture makes them lose the concept that there are both bad and good people.

    Now, I understand why they come to feel that it is us vs them but that concept is encouraged rather than mitigated by their militaristic structure and training. And if anyone thinks that the police are going to stand between you and chaos I only have to point the their actions during Katrina to validate my point. They are ultimately all about them and theirs just like everyone else.

    I am sure that on the day this officer died there were people killed in auto accidents in SoCal as well. Are those lives any less valuable? I think not. So, don’t think that the excesses displayed during this officer’s funeral sit well with everyone. They don’t and police departments need to be a bit more sensitive to that or it will become increasingly us against them.

    • Shaggy_DA

      Tbone, you are painting with an extremely broad brush. Additionally, your post reads a bit too close to those who have posted on numerous sites cheering on the actions of Dorner against the Los Angeles PD.

      I am personally offended by your comments as Officer Crain was innocently stopped at a stoplight with his partner when he was brutally murdered. His service and sacrifice deserve the very highest of honors and for you to characterize the memorial service as some kind of elitist rally of boot stomping oppressors is despicable. I urge you to carefully rethink your position and recognize that the vast majority of police officers go about their jobs every day putting themselves in harms way. They do so with the utmost care and consideration for those law abiding citizens who depend on the police to protect them from the evil elements of our society. You’ve, with this single post, managed to taint everything you have previously written on this website and I no longer will consider you to have an opinion worth reading. Just shameful…

      • Tbone

        I really don’t care whether you like it or not. And, if you are a Shaggy District Attorney, I will also assume that you convict innocent people and rationalize it because you figure that they are probably guilty of “something”.

        What Dorner did is unsupportable on any level. The fact that he was screwed over for breaking the blue wall against his training officer’s abusing a suspect is probably supportable on every level.

        • Shaggy_DA

          I apologize for being too subtle in my earlier post. I do not suffer fools… your response accusing me of convicting the innocent on some rationalization makes you a fool.

          • Tbone

            Well, you have already suffered me as I have you so I guess we are even.

      • celador2

        Thank you for your post that adds sanity to the discussion.
        Dorner is not the victim nor anyone in LAPD on trial as Tbone says they should be. For what though?
        Dorner is a vicicous perpetrator of apparent mass revenge murder. There was a daughter of one office killed for revenge in a car as I recall. And Dorner had a list of 40 targets he would stalk and kill. frankly I do not care why! He was one of the most vile killers we have seen in the US.

        I join the mourners in their grief and am thankful that the departed now enter Eternal life with the Lord. May they all RIP as we honor their lives of public service.

        A large funeral is a fitting show of unity annd community support. And the local people must feel a sense of security Dorner is done, if that is possible. .

    • kipling

      Although I am not in full agreement, Tbone has a point – especially in regards to the LAPD. When Dorner began his war on the LAPD, the LAPD made it abundantly clear that they were out to protect themselves even if it meant gunning down innocent civilians. I would like to see the numbers on how much manpower and resources were committed to bringing down Dorner. I highly doubt a the same amount of effort would have went into bringing down someone going after civilian targets.

    • westcoastpatriette

      Okay, Tbone, I was so surprised at your response when I posted this diary that I had to wait a while to respond to you. I rarely disagree with you, but on this one, I must.

      Granted, part of my shock at your response had to do with how much I was affected by Dorner’s crazed rampage. If you weren’t following my diaries since it all started, Dorner ambushed Officer Crain about two blocks from my home. Then, to add insult to injury, I lived in Big Bear for six years and have many friends up there so I was more than passively engaged and affected by the whole drama.

      But, mainly, I take issue with two aspects of your comments: 1) the over-generalization of police in the country being elitist and not caring about the people they are supposed to be protecting and; 2) comparing the ambush of an officer to someone killed in an auto accident and using that comparison to condemn what you see as “excesses” in how policemen honor their fallen.

      While of course there is some truth to what you are saying in that there are bad apples in any organization, I dispute your assertion that all cops are bad guys who don’t care about the people they serve. I think there are many wonderful policemen who do the best they can and are not corrupt. Also, some departments across the country are better than others; some more corrupt than others. In short, you cannot fairly paint all police departments with such a broad brush.

      With respect to the auto accident comparison, about the only similarities between the two is that there was a death involved.

      Dorner murdered four people (two of whom were policemen), maimed three people (policemen shot who survived), terrified four people (the man in San Diego whose boat he tried to steal, the couple he tied up in Big Bear, and the man who was car-jacked). Also, the owners of the cabin he broke into at the end of the escapade watched their cabin burn down.

      As I mentioned in the diary, Dorner’s reign of terror touched five counties and lasted about ten days. Many, many people were affected by it in profound ways and for me, the outpouring of support at Crain’s funeral was very comforting and heart-warming. Keep in mind that only half of the 8,000 people in attendance were police officials. The other half included people that did not personally know Crain but wanted to show their support and sympathy for the price he paid while serving the community. In short, Crain’s massive, ceremonial funeral was symbolically helping those of us profoundly affected grieve over the traumatic impact of Dorner’s actions.

      There. I feel better having spoken now.

      • Tbone

        Well WCP, I am glad you feel better having showered us with a warm stream of emotional consciousness about the evil of Dorner but none of which has anything to do with my “open thread” comment.

        You did manage to mention two things which were pertinent to my comment and to which I will respond:

        ” I take issue with two aspects of your comments: 1) the
        over-generalization of police in the country being elitist and not
        caring about the people they are supposed to be protecting and; 2)
        comparing the ambush of an officer to someone killed in an auto accident and using that comparison to condemn what you see as “excesses” in how policemen honor their fallen.”

        Item 1. Anyone who thinks a police force does not consider itself elite and above the law really hasn’t been paying attention. Just google “Police officers accused” and knock yourself out with reality. Further, if you think the majority of cops joined the force to serve the public, you really are living is a fairytale world. Are all cops bad? No. Do all cops to bad things? No. Do all cops keep quiet when they see other cops do bad things? No, just 99.9%. The other .1% either get ostracized or fired.

        Item 2. Do I value the life of a cop killed on duty more than a roofer who falls off a roof or an innocent person killed by a drunk driver? No. I am sure the wife and kids of the roofer miss him just as much as do the wife and kids of the cop. What I don’t see is 4000 roofers taking a day off( doubtlessly a paid day in the case of the cops) and shutting down the roads for a massive procession of pickups and hot tar trailers.

        Now, if you actually had the same compassion for the roofer or the accident victim as you do for the cop, I would be impressed. However, you obviously don’t and it is that lack of equal compassaion on your part that should cause you a moment of reflection.

  • westcoastpatriette

    You’re welcome, Aaron. nt

    • celador2

      And how are you, west? Being so close and now the deadly threat is over is like a roller coaster.

      • westcoastpatriette

        I’m much better, thank you. It seems none of us know when tragedy will strike so close to home. I am glad Dorner is gone, but he sure left a lot of people’s lives devastated.

        • celador2

          He did and was just starting with this well planned scenario. I lived in San Bernadino as a kid but it was normal friendly and nothing like Dorner around. ..

  • CJB68

    My dad is often telling me that the eventual cleanup from all the progressive tinkering with our country’s Constitution and its effects is going to take decades.  That’s not a reassuring feeling when you know that you’re not likely to live to see it restored back to the way it ought to be.  Chris Dorner is just one example of what our “liberal” fellow citizens have managed to turn people into, which isn’t a very good sign of what’s to come if the ship isn’t turned around soon.

  • lineholder

    Pre-existing condition insurance plan portion of Obamacare is being shut down. Details at the link.

    https://www.pcip.gov/

  • bgintn

    Tom Price, Conservative?

    http://www.senateconservatives.com/site/post/1909/tom-price-sides-with-the-establishment

    Anyone know?