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Gingrich: Is his rise sustainable?

Gallup Intensity

Candidates for office aren’t always well known at first. This difference in name recognition can distort early polling, which is why in this Republican Presidential primary race I keep watching approval ratings for clues.

So my personal find today of Gallup’s Positive Intensity Score tracker I think is worth a look, especially as we consider whether Newt Gingrich’s lead is here to stay.

The records of the poll go back to early March. Back then the leader was Mike Huckabee with, who had the second highest recognition score at 87%, and the highest intensity at +25. The intensity rating is the same popularized by Rasmussen Reports: the difference between strongly favorable and strongly unfavorable rating scores.

But as we see from the chart (click to blow it up), the candidate who’s led most of the way in positive intensity is Herman Cain. Herman Cain always looked to have benefited from the self-destructions of Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry in the debates, and that’s clearly true. However we see that he was actually well-liked by those who knew him since before he led in the national preference polling.

Newt Gingrich though, his chart is unlike any of the others. Bachmann, Perry, and Cain all started high and dropped off rapidly after their introductions to national audiences. Mitt Romney started in the middle but has seen a slow decline in recent weeks. Newt Gingrich however started in the middle, fell apart, but has gradually rebuilt his image, I believe through his debate appearances. He’s consistently been rated as a great debater, even by those who dislike his candidacy.

Believe it or not, we may be faced with a situation where every candidate is perceived by the electorate as being flawed, but Newt Gingrich is the one whose silver tongue is impressive enough to overcome his imperfections and win over the Republican Party.

When I first checked the latest intensity score result, I thought it looked bad for Gingrich. Gingrich +20 and no other candidate in double figures (Romney and Cain tied for second at +9) just didn’t look like a sustainable lead. Gingrich looked like an outlier. But 88% of the party knows who he is. Contrast with September 4, when Perry led the national preference polling and the positive intensity polling, with Cain in second. At 74 percent, one in four didn’t know who Perry was. Cain’s 48% meant half the party didn’t recognize him.

The only Republican better known right now than Gingrich, though, is Mitt Romney at 90%. A candidate that well known, who’s seen a slow, gradual climb in his positive intensity, isn’t due for a shock at being introduced to the party.

It’s not what I expected to write, but I think Newt Gingrich might be the default Republican candidate in 2012, the one the voters are turning to when all else have failed.

Crossposted from Unlikely Voter

COMMENTS

  • Common_Cents

    Just blindly repeat the meme of a standard rise and a standard fall, just a matter of time, without looking at the real picture.

    I think he’s changed the pattern as you suggest.

    I’m now hearing from many on RS that women will reject Gingrich.

    Neil, how could that be possible and not being picked up in all the polls? Do you have any input on that?

  • supergirl2911

    Sorry if it wasn’t clear before,

  • supergirl2911

    misread your post, thought it said NOT hearing that women would reject him…. oops

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    It’s true that Herman Cain *never* did as well among women as he did among men.

    Gingrich has a similar split, according to the latest poll anyway. He wins 43% of GOP and GOP-leaning RV men per Gallup, versus 30% of women.

    However 30% for Gingrich among women still leads, though by a smaller margin. It’s Gingrich +21 over Romney among the men, but +7 among women.

    I’ll have to watch for this.

  • alaskaescapeartist

    Why no Ron Paul on this chart?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I included in the chart every candidate to have led the Gallup poll in positive intensity, plus Mitt Romney.

    As I’ve shown in earlier analyses, Ron Paul tends only to be popular among non-voters. Republican voters tend to dislike him.

  • seanl

    nt

  • lineholder

    It would be interesting to see how each of the Repub candidates is doing on trends pertaining to voter gender.

  • nancylee

    I am a woman and a conservative, and I have no problem supporting Gingrich. As far as I am concerned, his marital problems are between him and his previous wife or wives. It isn’t my problem.

    Where my problem lies is with Obama. He is ruining the country. We may already be at the point where the damage is irreversible. To stop him, I will vote for Gingrich or any other candidate that gets the GOP nomination.

    One point, though, regarding Gingrich. I like the way he takes the fight to Obama. He may be an insider, but I was paying attention when he managed to flip the House Republican for the first time in decades. He has been around Washington a long time, and he knows where the political bodies are buried. I think he can beat Obama, and if he makes it to California’s primary, I will certainly support him.

    But make no mistake, whoever gets the nomination will have my final vote. This country cannot withstand another Obama term.

  • renl57

    “Newt Gingrich however started in the middle, fell apart, but has gradually rebuilt his image, I believe through his debate appearances.”

    Yep.
    The inverse of what happened with Perry.

    The most interesting part of this chart is the Cain trendline. With or without debates, Cain just instinctively connected with the people in a way that these other candidates have not been able to match.

  • alaskaescapeartist

    Paul is known for the intensity of his supporters. I just thought it would be interesting to quantify that in comparison to the other candidates.

    Neil… does the chart reflect a formula of quantity and intensity?

    It’s an interesting graph…. thanks for posting!

  • sunshinek67

    ntext

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Paul is near zero.

  • center77

    he is known for his scandals, but his really bad stuff is not well known yet, as soon as the media hits him with that I see him going down, but that may be a hope. It should be everybody’s hope, because Newt is the past to losing big in 2012.

  • federalfarmer1

    Id like to know. I don’t care where you heard it. I won’t complain that the source is liberal because the press will use it in the general.

    I’ve said the same thing about Perry, that there is substantial dirt the dems are sitting on that hasn’t really aired yet. I want to be consistent.

  • onemovoter

    I’d like to see pretty much any republican over Obama. I hope things do get shook out in the primary.

    There is one thing that really bugs me about Gingrich. There is a reason why he was booted from the Speakership in 1999 by the Republican freshmen class. There is a reason why Tom Colburn wrote “Breach of Trust” about that time when he served under Gingrich. There is a reason why Rand Paul is publishing an article in the Iowa Register tomorrow.

    Obama has been a disaster for the Democrat Party. I can see Newt Gingrich being the same for the Republican Party. I’d rather not see that happen.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Given that he is such a known quantity.

  • kaheo

    He’s mainly risen in the polls due to his great performance in the debates and his grand ideas that he comes up with every other minute.

    He’s however still selling books and just recently nearly missed the Ohio deadline. I actually haven’t followed up to see if he made the 4pm deadline on Monday/Tuesday. Prior to that, he missed the Missouri deadline. He can of course be a write in candidate!

    The above factors and his staff quitting on him earlier this year could be indications that he is a poor manager thus he could be extremely risk as a nominee once he clinches the nomination. McCain had similar issues but he was more managerial than Newt at least as far as my analysis!

    It looks like he will be the nominee unless he comes out with some major gaffe between now and Iowa – which is not unlikely! In the meantime, someone needs to tell him to stop selling books and get on the ballot in later states that could crucial if the primary goes all the way to June-ish!

  • sethellis

    The big mistake we often make in analyzing these sorts of things is assuming trends will hold. By the time we have enough data to confirm a trend, the trend usually ends. Given the brawl we see today I expect everyone’s unfavorable numbers to go up. Eventually those numbers will peak and stabilize.

    The real question is simply how well Gingrich holds up during this period. A good indicator is to see how likely voters are to change their mind. It seems to me that support is soft for all the candidates. Meaning things are just as likely to change as they ever will.

    I think we all assumed that we would be close to the end. That this is the last phase before Christmas comes and freezes the race. I no longer believe this. I think we could have 3 or more chapters left to this story.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    that affect them . Plus, Newt loves women. Why else does he keep marrying them!

  • Common_Cents

    Or its some narrative wishful thinking by people thinking women will largely reject him.

  • Common_Cents

    But I guess that doesn’t fit the narrative of the slams.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/newt-gingrich-filing-deadlines-and-the-ohio-primary/

    “However, after all the speculation, Newt Gingrich was one of three Republican presidential candidates to adhere to today?s suggested deadline in Ohio. Rick Perry and Mitt Romney also filed today in Ohio. Michele Bachmann, Jon Huntsman, Ron Paul and Rick Santorum have not yet filed with the Ohio of Secretary of State.”

    OH was only a suggested filing date since they moved their primary.

    MO was skipped because it is a non binding.

    Does anyone do any fact checking anymore?

  • easyb

    but do you have any data on Hunstman?

    Just curious. I get the impression here and elsewhere that some are softening to him. I don’t think he’s got a path, but I’d like to see where he’d land on this chart, especially over the last month.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Because Hillary never organized the caucus states? Could be.

  • nativetexan41

    I reject him as I did Cain. I do not want that kind of man in the White House. There are other reasons to reject him too.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    .

  • tea4me

    …both on this thread and else where, The fat lady is humming right before the opera right now.

    I’m really getting a kick out of the liberal media though. Even on
    FOX. They getting shrill and frantic now that they’re realizing the inevitable. And I don’t even mind. This is only going to cement Newt’s win.

  • tea4me

    He can’t get above 23%. He’s no different than Ron Paul Both have a small base of avid supporters, but everyone else dismisses them out of hand.

    It amazes me people still hold out hope. This has been the case ever since the primary began.

  • tea4me

    …even in politics.

  • delite

    Newt is a member of the Council of Foreign Relations. This body is a think tank for the one world they would like to see.

    Mitt Romney is my man. He is not a member of the CFR. His is a man of good character. His leadership is evident in his life work.

  • Scope

    That the Dems are sitting on dirt against Perry. The Dems are sitting on whatever they want to say about every GOP candidate, true or not. But for you to say that you know that the Dems are sitting on dirt against Perry indicates that you have knowledge of that “dirt.” What is that dirt farmer? Come clean here farmer. I bet a gazillion dollars you can’t prove any dirt on Perry. I’ll bet a brazillion dollars that you can’t come up with valid and provable dirt on Perry. You just hate Perry, period, and are “hoping” that some terrible dirt comes out on Perry.

  • bzip

    Oh really federalfarmer. Just what is it, do tell. You clearly seem more informed then the rest of us. Do tell farmer.

    You do realize you need to back up these claims or you lose all creditability.

  • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

    Politico reports:

    “Candidates for president are required to file with the Ohio Secretary of State, but also to file a slate of delegates with the most populous county in each congressional district. Gingrich, Mitt Romney and Rick Perry filed at the state level, per a list from the Ohio Secretary of State?s office. And of the counties reached this afternoon, Gingrich filed in all but Allen County.

    Romney, Gingrich and Ron Paul filed in Stark, Lake, Summit, Columbiana, Hamilton, Franklin and Butler counties.

    Romney was the only candidate to file both at the state level and in all the counties contacted ? Paul did not file at the state level. Perry filed at the state level but did not submit delegates to any of the counties. (Cuyahoga and Lucas counties, the last two counties on the list, could not be reached.)”

    Due to redistricting challenges by the Dems, it’s anybody’s guess whether we’ll have a primary in March or June…maybe even April. SOS Husted only informed the candidates a couple weeks ago that he was recommending they file by 12/7 in case of a March primary.

    For Romney, who’s been running for president since the Carter administration, it wasn’t a huge deal to collect delegates from all 16 congressional districts and have those delegates all collect signatures. For candidates who have only seen Ohio from an airplane, trying to do that in a couple of weeks was a pretty tall order.

    I’m not gonna say I smell a rat, but if we see the GOP broker a deal that gives us a March primary with Romney as the only candidate on the Republican ballot, it’s going to get ugly.

  • jaykali

    Seems like Newt isn’t very popular on Capital Hill. Does that make anybody nervous? I know the establishment is super-nervous and that makes a lot of Tea Party types happy altho this isn’t a ‘Sarah Palin’-type outsider that’s making them nervous, they feel like he’s an erratic leader. So I am super nervous ab this whole thing.

  • Common_Cents

    Now WHY is the story focused on Gingrich? And Gingrich filed on the same day as the other two, but no stories on them “just making the deadline”?

    “Michele Bachmann, Jon Huntsman, Ron Paul and Rick Santorum have not yet filed with the Ohio of Secretary of State.?

    They didn’t even file at all.

    Let’s stick to real stuff like Newt cheating on his wives. Nobody has heard that yet ;)

  • Common_Cents

    LOL

    Now we are worrying about the DC elites getting their feelings hurt?

  • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

    You are the one that said Newt flied, so I was just responding to your assertion. If I understand the rules correctly, if you fail to file in one county, it’s as if you didn’t file at all. An incomplete application is an incomplete application.

  • Common_Cents

    to fit the narrative of unorganized, when other campaigns filed on same day and the only campaign complete was Romney. Hence the headline should be all candidates incomplete etc…

  • deVere

    The people who want to nominate Newt are of the same mental caliber as the ones who picked McCain in 2008.

    And I’m confident that the results at the polls next November will be equally unsatisfying.

  • bonnman

    There’s about a week left before everyone starts getting caught up in Christmas, finishing their shopping, traveling and whatever and then no one will be paying much attention until after New Year’s and then BAM! we’re into the primaries. Iowa 1/3, NH 1/10, SC 1/21

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Seriously.

  • snowshooze

    Referring to the RCP graph…
    When we have a guy in the GOP hitting 30, do they just shut down the media spigot and unleash the dogs?

  • clowngirl

    Which candidate is likely to actually cut spending, promote a strong economy, etc.

    Unless it suddenly surfaces that Newt has cheated on Callista, the candidate who better articulates and makes the case for his agenda is going to win.

    People aren’t going to vote in favor of Obamacare, trillions in additional debt, a perpetually weak job market, etc., etc. because Newt cheated back in the 80′s and 90′s. Plenty of US Presidents have cheated on their wives, Thomas Jefferson reportedly had a sexual relationship with one of his slaves. Until late in life he – the guy who wrote “all men are created equal ” was a racist. It’s disappointing and disgusting but not what’s most important.

    All other things being equal, I’m sure most every Republican would prefer a nominee who has always been faithful to his wife – but, so far, all other things haven’t looked so equal.

    In the primary – how much Newt’s baggage matters is likely to be directly proportional to how ready-for-prime-time Governor Perry looks going into Iowa.

  • texas214

    Reasons:
    1) He has held as many positions as Romney, some even worse. This insulates Romney from this attack if Newt is percieved as an acceptable candidate.

    2) TEA Party – Many TP leaders are not thrilled with Newt. This could make Romney the default candidate given they have gone to no candidate at this point.

    3) Gender gap- Newts gender gap issue may make his maximum poll # where it is today, and 35%+/- won’t win.

    4) The so-called Establishment Republicans do matter, they help in organizing voters for you. Romney picks up support everyday and the silence for Newt just gets louder.

  • http://www.RightFace.us dkolonia

    Not even close. Newt can beat Obama. The question is ca n Romney beat Obama?

  • http://www.RightFace.us dkolonia

    Link to Newt’s address to the Republican Jewish Coalition

    http://www.rightface.us/forum/topics/newt-gingrich-addresses-the-republican-jewish-coalition

  • Common_Cents

  • Common_Cents

    “Charlie Gruschow, founder of the Des Moines Tea Party, endorsed Newt for president today saying that he has the experience we need to reduce the size and scope of government and return power back to the states. Gruschow, formerly a Hermain Cain, supporter, will also join the campaign as a senior advisor.”

    http://www.newt.org/news/leading-iowa-tea-party-activist-endorses-newt-joins-staff

  • Glaucon

    So now we have Newt at the top. Newt, who supported TARP, who supported individual health insurance mandates, who supported cap and trade, who supports more gun control, who took money from Freddie Mac and fully supported all of the programs that led to the housing bubble. Big government,establishment Newt.

    And then we have Romney, who is about the same on all of those issues.

    The only thing that separates the two is how many wives they have had, and who has been involved in more scandals. If those are the only things that separate them, Mitt looks like the better man.

    Was it so long ago that we were standing at Tea Party rallies opposing almost everything that these two candidates stand for?

    (Exception: Obviously we didn’t oppose the fact that Mitt seems to be an upstanding family man.)

  • tomatin

    Excellent analysis. When I saw that curve it actually reminded me of McCain’s position in the 2008 nomination. Only Romney is in far WORSE shape than he was in 2007 heading into 2008, than he is heading into 2012 now.

    Romney did not start tanking until January 2008. I know the race started earlier this year which may be the reason for Romney’s earlier.

    Even though Newt’s numbers look like early McCain numbers from back then. I’m not sure if it’s measuring Newt’s strengths or Romney’s inevitable decline.

    Take a look an early RCP article from this year that includes the 2007-2008 race.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/11/15/topsy-turvy_gop_expect_more_twists_as_primary_unfolds_112074.html

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …and see where they may lead.

    1. The GOP-POTUS race continues to be dynamic, with advocates for each major candidate participating on the RS websites as they are created seriatim.

    2. The model of “Mitt v. anti-Mitt” [popularized by inter-alia Dick Morris] has been supplanted by multiple paradigms; although it may be tempting to invoke “The Newt v. anti-The Newt”…I would prefer “Mitt/The Newt v. anti-Mitt/The Newt” because of the adherence by both to the Individual Mandate [as was just highlighted in today's Perry-ad].

    3. If The Newt predictably KO’s Mitt [and the GOP-Establishment] by ensuring he doesn’t win in NH by double-digits [noting that his support starts @ a "thin" level], then the Wall St. guys will need to ponder if they could warm-up to The Newt.

    4. Judging from the revised report of the meeting between The Newt and prominent conservatives in the D.C. region [earlier this week, as reported in the Examiner], it seems that wise people can slice through his rhetoric privately…and can find it wanting; the same could be true when he is intensely interviewed by both the GOP-Establishment and the Wall St. crowd.

    5. If this be the case, and the “intensity factor” cannot be adequately sustained as people get to know The Newt, then the second-rise of Perry could truly peak as Iowans visit their caucuses.

    6. Meanwhile, as I noted elsewhere, the Evangelicals and TEA Party Movement activists could determine that it is necessary to coalesce ASAP…behind Perry.

    7. That another RS-posting on the “Culture/Religious Wars” concluded that he could get another ad out of BHO’s recent [non]conduct, this suggests that the “values” component of the campaign could also align the stars in favor of Perry.

    8. Then, it would be time for a gut-check for all, including myself; as a Jew who is “multiple choice” – and who is regularly grappling with the issue of how to awaken my co-religionists – the presumed challenge would become magnified.

    9. The “electability” criterion [as vague as it is, as per prior analysis] would still have to be confronted, recalling the adage “better watch out for what you wish, for you may get it.”

    10. If this terse review/projection is accurate, the GOP would have less than a year to educate the Independents that the jobs/jobs/jobs issue should supplant the compulsion to re-elect the printer of Obama-money.

    [References have purposefully not been inserted in this summary/analysis; they will be re-provided separately, because the goal was to synthesize many of the discussions composed during the past seven hours.]

  • Common_Cents

    From May

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    The conclusion of this essay ["Gingrich might be the default Republican candidate in 2012, the one the voters are turning to when all else have failed"] must now be poked…and then the noise evoked must be itself audiogrammed.

    1. It is true that a perception exists that time-is-tight; as noted elsewhere, such a realization “focuses the mind,” but it also elides of the possibility of a protracted process.

    2. If the latter course were to emerge, picking the likely dyad [Mitt/Perry] would be $-based, for The Newt is not organized and his pomposity is simply impossible to ignore.

    3. The results of the two upcoming debates are, of course, unknowns, but the expectations-game in the MSM/LSM/ELM will be @ full-tilt, with each of the major candidates serving as potential pinatas, either perceived or real.

    4. Meanwhile, because it’s generally assumed that Bachmann/Santorum won’t make it to S.C. unless either/both hit double-digits in Iowa, the “A” game will be expected from each candidate; Perry has been broken-in now, in multiple interview settings, and he could be anticipated to be lucid [evincing his personality, albeit not to the extent of that Friday-p.m. performance in N.H.].

    5. It remains amazing how each minor candidate is serving a tactical purpose from the perspective of this Perry-supporter**; in this regard, the ads promulgated by Paul against The Newt are particularly welcome in these quarters for obvious reasons…not the least of which is that they are accurate [**-I learned a month ago not to refer to advocates of a particular candidate as a "*-bot" because, although we are blogging via 'puters, we are not acting in a robotic fashion.]

    6. Therefore, because RS is a cutting-edge site, we can assume that the more serious student of these posts [who has processed them before blogging] has something meaningful to contribute to the grassroots discussion of profound issues [for we are not acting in self-interest in the process].

    7. Although some may view people such as myself as having walked-the-edge when calling-out others, the net-result has generally been some degree of internal/external recognition of essential truths; without mentioning any specific names, let’s just say that people who drop-off-the-radar-screen after having failed to document facts or to buttress arguments, they have become notable by their absences.

    8. Just as the pace of the race has seemingly quickened, so too has the movement of consensus on RS; this exploration has consumed personal hours, but I suspect most share the sense of urgency that perhaps antedates what those elsewhere belatedly recognize…namely, that key-realizations emerging here [even on such seemingly-mundane topics as whether a given candidate met a filing deadline for delegates in a given state] are credible and durable.

    9. We know we have achieved something valuable when an intercurrent event can be promptly characterized within a putative “construct” that has emerged via consensus on RS; for example, little attention was paid to the invitation of The Donald to attend his 12/27 discussion [although it was raised as a tactical parameter], and it now appears that he will only be hosting The Newt and Santorum. [rendering it as minimally important as will be all the "lincoln-douglas" debates that The Newt can piece-together].

    10. Therefore, we can confidently discuss whatever now transpires [such as the two upcoming debates, ABC/FNC, during the next week], recognizing that “the gloves will be off” among multiple “reality-show”-themed subcontexts [macro and micro].

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    Whatever observation that emerges must be vetted by the sharp-knives @ RS but, thus far, there is no quality-evidence that The Newt will remain Teflon-coated.

    1. The first “poke” is that – as of this past Friday – The Newt remains horribly disorganized. I was lined-up more than a fortnight ago to listen to him [and was invited to submit two questions, by a deadline of 10 days ago, a request to which I complied]. As avid RS-readers may recall, I pledged to report-back the outcome of this listening-experience…but the event never transpired. The individual who was mediating [and who has now moved-on to another candidate, BTW] wrote this-p.m.:

    “They never put it on Ginigrichs calender. Can you imagine?!
    From what I understand, his coalitions team sent out invitations and invited hundreds of people to the call….but never put it on Gingrichs calender!!
    What an embarrassment, huh?
    However, this is what I have been hearing. Gingirchs campaign is not very organized at all. The news keeps talking about how they are under-staffed and lack organization.”

    2. The second “poke” is that a mounting of EVIDENCE has been accrued [here and elsewhere] of the elitism/statism persistently exuded by The Newt; this had been why he had been discounted months ago, and this is the foundation for the battering he has received from certain quarters [D.C. and elsewhere]. For a short-course, start @ the below-hyperlink and then hyperlink from there to sites both within RS and external thereto:

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/12/08/my-endorsement-for-president/#comment-148731

    3. The third “poke” is that commentators such as Rush have defended The Newt generically [decrying typical critics] rather than grappling with the data that have been invoked to document the political philosophy of The Newt.

    The Establishment Guns for Gingrich
    December 08, 2011
    TRANSCRIPT

    The Republican Party — I mean the establishment — working together with the Democrat establishment in Washington, is now loaded for bear against Newt Gingrich. The long knives are out for Newt Gingrich everywhere you look in the Washington establishment. Everywhere you look, you want to call it the Washington ruling class, you want to call it the establishment of both parties, whatever it is, they’re all going for Newt Gingrich. I got a stack here to demonstrate this.

    “The Ruling Class, the government class, the political class — whatever you want to call the establishment in Washington –of both parties is out for Gingrich. It is huge; it is major. You can even find Gingrich in the crosshairs on several conservative blogs. Now, I mentioned that the National Enquirer is reporting that a staffer who worked for Gingrich had sexual relations with him back in 1977. That’s 34 years ago. This woman says that she performed a sex act on Gingrich in a hotel room back in 1977 when he was still married to his first wife. She says that she has come forward now because, quote, “He always talks about being big on family values but you don’t practice what he preaches.”

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/12/08/the_establishment_guns_for_gingrich

    4. The fourth “poke” is that anguish about bestowing the nod to The Newt is manifest not only by a cursory review of his past quotes/actions, but also by a panoply of contemporaneous blurts [ranging from his having bragged about his $60K lecture-fees, to his initiation of the process of choosing his cabinet]; truly, a race with BHO would produce both entertaining debates and a ginormous clash of the Egos.

    http://www.eurasiareview.com/18112011-gingrichs-resurgence-and-the-ego-has-landed-oped/

    5. The fifth “poke” is actually a “negative” poke, for too many pseudo-pundits invoke such phraseology as “he can’t win” for this-or-that-reason; we should all relax a bit from our tendency to take ourselves too seriously [and the compulsion to exhibit our own personalities in the process of blogging about ostensibly external concerns].

    http://www.hollabackhealth.com/2010/08/the-psychology-behind-blogging/

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I think Kowalski has been one-upped. It may be time to call a Kowalski a Sklaroff. :)

  • tomatin

    About the only trend that’s very steady seems to be Romney’s decline in the polls which probably has a R^2 near one because it’s so linear.

    I’m not saying Romney’s decline makes Newt’s rise inevitable either.

    I just think it’s more likely for another candidate to rise if Newt declines as we have seen in the recent past. Turing Romney’s trends around now seems like turning an aircraft carrier around because his numbers are so steadily declining and people already know about him.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    While I’ve been posting, along came CC…who posted the frustrating interview by Rush while “poking” The Newt on this very issue.

    Although it’s tempting to try to ID the moments when The Newt appeared to be providing a non-filibuster and a distilled-sentence, it’s preferable to watch the entire interview; Rush’s emotional reactions were telling.

    After the break @ 11-minutes, he appeared to “allow for” people [who had gone-naked and then had gotten sick] to purchase a policy from a high-risk pool [developed allegedly under the guidance of John Goodman...whose "blast" e-mails I receive daily]. He then apparently endorsed rejection of a 3rd party payer model. He then supported Medicaid block-grants, and then would “design markets” to make purchases “attractive” [e.g., MSA's, Medicare Advantage]. He then would have government”provide freedom to seniors” as if the government would ever have been afforded this right.

    {He apologized regarding the “social engineering of Rep. Ryan” because of the effects of his quote, not for the actual attack he had issued thereupon.}

    The outcome of this interview was expression of “bankrupt knowledge” as to whether The Newt had answered any of his questions succinctly.

    http://nation.foxnews.com/media/2011/05/17/rush-rails-against-newt

    Thus, the 25 dominoes established supra are now tipped; as has been exhaustively discussed here by yours-truly.

    Once The Newt endorses any incarnation of a fiscal-component of the Individual Mandate, he is anathema to Constitutional Conservatives.

  • deVere

    Wise and determined men tried to stop World War I from breaking out, but they failed utterly.

    It’s easy to see that Newt is probably a train wreck for the Republican Party, but that doesn’t mean he can be stopped from winning the nomination.

  • lucasblack

    Is a brazillion dollar the currency of Brazil? What’s the exchange rate vs the US dollar?

  • lucasblack

    Gingrich is also a member of the Knights Templar and the Illuminati. As such, I support him because I think both of those organizations have noble goals.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    trying to get all these thoughts out on-paper, for cogent critique

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …ASAP, and this is a prime-mover for my efforts to try to type what others may have assumed…but what needs to be explicitly confronted.

  • deVere

    I don’t think that an individual mandate on a state level has constitutional problems. Unlike the Federal Government, the 50 states do not have enumerated powers, and can do anything not expressly forbidden to them in the federal and state constitutions.

  • lucasblack

    Ron Paul is going to do well in the caucus states and take a lot of delegates from Romney.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …on two other sites:

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/12/08/my-endorsement-for-president/#comment-149216

    and

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/12/08/the-horserace-for-december-8-2011/#comment-149214

    *

    The former captures how I had boxed-in JSobieski regarding his defense of The Newt with regard to the Individual Mandate, and the latter culminates in a “memo? issued to the Constitutional Conservatives and Values voters in Iowa.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    REGARDLESS of whether it harbors state-level Consitutionality, do we want Big Government placed into such a powerful position over the individual?

    {gotta get some shut-eye; this blogging is making me googly-eyed}

  • gekster

    Obama was in the Oval Office when his chief of staff came in and informed Obama that two Brazilion soldiers were killed in Afghanastan.
    Upon hearing this, he fell in his chair and put his face in his hands.
    After several minutes, he looked up, clearly shaken, and asked
    “How many is a Brazilion.”

  • pttx333

    that idiot would say, too!

    Mom

  • wonkish1

    That

  • tomatin

    GOP Nomination

    Gingrich Men 36% Women 35%
    Romney Men 24% Women 22%

    FYI the GOP’s traditional gender gap in the general is about the same.

    Gingrich or Romney versus Obama

    Gingrich Men 44% Women 37%
    Romney Men 48% Women 37%

    http://www.foxnews.com/interactive/politics/2011/12/08/fox-news-poll-gop-presidential-race/

  • tomatin

    I don’t like LV polls until votes are cast. LV could just mean they excluded more women because they responded they would be less likely to vote.

  • lucasblack

    That would have actually worked better against Bush given that he mentioned ‘Grecians’. But what it really made me think of was some weird Chevy Chase movie called ‘Nothing But Trouble’ where he called a rich Brazilian couple ‘brazilionares’.

  • wonkish1

    Is a superior form of polling at any time. Usually they use a few questions to ascertain the level of likelihood of someone casting a ballot in the future.

    And the real point is that I’ve been completely unable to tell any clear difference between LV, RV, and All in primary polling. No pattern has seemed to emerge yet showing that LV polls benefit x candidate and RV polls benefit y candidate. They stay pretty damn close.

    The only time I really see a split between LV and RV is in the general election because LV tends to look better for the GOP and RV tends to look better for the Dems. But LV has also historically been a better predictor during the generals as well.

  • tomatin

    I just found it curious that the Gallop poll using RVs showed gender bias against Gingrich and the LV poll Fox showed little gender bias towards Gingrich. I just supposed that there was a disproportionately larger sample of woman in the Gallop RV poll compared to the Fox LV poll which could explain these differences. The Fox news poll did not show those internals so that’s only speculation on my part.

    I agree with everything you’ve said in your last passage. Those are the trends I’ve seen too between LV and RV polls.

  • wonkish1

    Based on 1 RV poll and 1 LV poll even if there is a decent sized spread between them.

    Especially considering the fact that while the total poll has a decent size of respondents to produce a reasonable margin of error, once you get into comparing two polls with based on a small subset of respondents that support a certain candidate and a gender gap the margin of error skyrockets because of the smaller population size here.

    Its just as likely that most of the spread here is due to Fox understating the gender gap and Gallup overstating it(given the small sub sample size) than anything inherent between likely voters and registered voters polls.

    I haven’t really looked to much at the polls particularly in regards to gender gap recently, but I’ll start doing it now and report back. The only serious conclusion you’ll be able to come to on this comes from taking the average of numerous polls because of the small sub sample size in each.

  • wonkish1

    CNN National Poll *All* poll found no gender gap.

    Quinnie National RV Poll found 6 pt gender gap

    Fox News National RV Poll found 6 pt gender gap

    WOW: CNN/Time/ORC LV *Iowa* Poll Finds 3 pt gender gap(with women leading men) This is the polar and complete opposite of what I would think from *Iowa* when I opened this up.

    PPP Iowa LV poll finds 8 pt gender gap(men over women)

    CNN/Time/ORC LV NH Poll finds 3 pt gender gap(men over women)

    CNN/Time/ORC LV SC Poll finds 7 pt gender gap

    Insider Advantage LV SC Poll finds 5 pt gender gap

    CNN/Time/ORC LV Florida Poll finds 15 pt gender gap

    SUSA LV Florida Poll finds 13 pt gender gap

    Insider Adv LV Florida Poll finds 17 pt gender gap

    PPP RV Florida Poll finds 3 pt gender gap

    Two notes:
    1) The GOP field as a whole is doing a little less well with women than men. And its much more pronounced in Florida where you probably have to draw the conclusion that there is probably a lot women in the GOP in Florida than most other states(and more men in it to make up for it).

    2) Really the only person who consistently has a positive gender gap in this race is Mitt Romney.

    Conclusion: It appears by looking at the averages that I was probably right that Fox News understated the gender gap for Newt and Gallup overstated it considerably. There still isn’t really any trend you can see from LV, RV, or All. And it looks like Newt’s approximate gender gap *Nationally* among the GOP is probably something like 5-7 pts.

    note: I used every poll in order, the only exceptions were ones that didn’t filter answers by gender or didn’t allow you to get access to the crosstabs(like Ras).

  • wonkish1

    conclusion that there is probably a lot ***less**** women in the GOP in Florida.

  • wonkish1

    the only person who has a consistently has a ***more female than male*** gender gap in this race is Mitt Romney.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    Right now people feel they have to choose Gingrich or Romney.

    If Perry can show some life in Iowa with his huge blitz in the media right now then people may leave Gingrich for Perry.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    New articles on Politico illustrate the pivotal importance of point #2 [supra]:

    2. The model of ?Mitt v. anti-Mitt? [popularized by inter-alia Dick Morris] has been supplanted by multiple paradigms; although it may be tempting to invoke ?The Newt v. anti-The Newt??I would prefer ?Mitt/The Newt v. anti-Mitt/The Newt? because of the adherence by both to the Individual Mandate [as was just highlighted in today's Perry-ad].

    First:

    Mitt’s granite fortress under siege

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70159.html

    Second:

    Newt Gingrich pile-on begins

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70132.html

    Yielding:

    The anti-Newt scramble

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1211/The_antiNewt_scramble.html

    Based on:

    Romney super PAC has anti-Newt ad in works

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70142.html#ixzz1g2CsJSro

    Which is based on:

    Romney SuperPAC Anit-Newt Ad [which was later portrayed as under-development]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4H4Rgx0veI&feature=youtu.be

    Which references a site that requires a password for entry [newtfacts.com]:

    *

    And, if they bloody each other sufficiently-thoroughly, along comes Perry.

  • bzip

    A good article that sows just how much in common Newt has with Romney:

    Gingrich’s record belies his conservative image
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-1209-gingrich-conservative-20111209,0,2003907.story
    ..? Newt Gingrich ? who is no more conservative than Romney.

    Both men have parted company with the party’s most active voters on many of the same issues. Both backed requiring individuals to purchase healthcare insurance. Both supported the Wall Street bailout known as TARP and government subsidies for ethanol production.

    Both agreed that human activity is contributing to climate change (though each has backtracked in recent months).??

  • bzip

    Rick Perry on Newt Gingrich: My vow was to God, not just my wife
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70117.html

    Rick Perry ties Gingrich, Romney to ‘Obamacare’
    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-perry-ad-20111208,0,3276743.story?track=rss

    Rick Perry: “Repeal”
    http://youtu.be/BAGhCnGz4S8

    Romney?s super PAC ad on Newt:
    http://youtu.be/QpEHU2uoWW8

  • steveinfl

    I think only he has the experience to unravel the destruction wrought by the current evil regime. if you’re conservative, you can live with Newt. Once the nomination is done, and it’s just Newt and Obummer, Newt will do better with female voters.

  • steveinfl

    Didn’t think so.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    New articles by Jennifer Rubin [who is assuredly pro-Mitt] illustrate the pivotal importance of point #2 [supra], much as she would deny its spill-over damage to her favorite candidate:

    2. The model of ?Mitt v. anti-Mitt? [popularized by inter-alia Dick Morris] has been supplanted by multiple paradigms; although it may be tempting to invoke ?The Newt v. anti-The Newt??I would prefer ?Mitt/The Newt v. anti-Mitt/The Newt? because of the adherence by both to the Individual Mandate [as was just highlighted in today's Perry-ad].

    First:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/still-old-newt–gingrich-denies-his-ethics-problems/2011/12/08/gIQAlJtwfO_blog.html

    Second:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/perry-romney-and-paul-pile-on/2011/12/08/gIQAxe97fO_blog.html#pagebreak

    Which starts with Perry’s incisive ad:

    *

    And, if they bloody each other sufficiently-thoroughly, along comes Perry.

  • jonedanger

    N/T

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    A recent article from ABC’s Jake Tapper, a somewhat sleazy web-page, and a compilation of some quotable-quotes illustrate the pivotal importance of points #4 and #6 [supra]:

    4. Judging from the revised report of the meeting between The Newt and prominent conservatives in the D.C. region [earlier this week, as reported in the Examiner], it seems that wise people can slice through his rhetoric privately?and can find it wanting; the same could be true when he is intensely interviewed by both the GOP-Establishment and the Wall St. crowd.

    6. Meanwhile, as I noted elsewhere, the Evangelicals and TEA Party Movement activists could determine that it is necessary to coalesce ASAP?behind Perry.

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/any-other-skeletons-in-gingrichs-closet-not-that-i-know-of/

    TAPPER: I?ve spoken to a lot of Republicans, voters across the country and also Republican operatives and staffers in Washington, DC, who like you, who want to support you, but they have two concerns. The first concern is they worry that even though you are a familiar figure that maybe there are still skeletons in your closet that we don?t know about. And they would come out and that would help elect President Obama should you be the nominee. Are there any skeletons that we don?t know about?

    GINGRICH: Not that I know of. I mean, again, given the nature of the modern world whatever is there I?m sure will come out in the end. But to the best of my knowledge people know an immense amount about me. Probably more than any candidate who is running. I think people have dealt with and thought through whether or not they could support me.

    *

    http://www.realchange.org/gingrich.htm

    http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/courier_times_news/opinion/oped/newt-no-nos-quotes-that-should-disqualify-gingrich/article_48caa7b6-5d1b-5a85-99ec-2cdbb18a5826.html

    Here are 10 quotes from Newt Gingrich?s skeleton closet that should disqualify him from ever being president.

    1. ?I?m not a natural leader. I?m too intellectual; I?m too abstract; I think too much.?
    –Newt, admitting that he?s an intellectual elitist incapable of leading.

    2. ?If the Soviet empire still existed, I?d be terrified. The fact is, we can afford a fairly ignorant presidency now.?
    –Newt, saying that it?s OK for the president to be ignorant.

    3. ?The idea that a congressman would be tainted by accepting money from private industry or private sources is essentially a socialist argument.?
    –Newt, arguing that it?s OK for politicians to be bought and paid for.

    4. ?Give the park police more ammo.?
    –Newt, on what to do about the homeless a few days after the police shot a homeless man in front of the White House.

    5. ?The problem isn?t too little money in political campaigns, but not enough.?
    –Newt, campaign finance reform.

    6. ?I have enormous personal ambition. I want to shift the entire planet. And I?m doing it. I am now a famous person. I represent real power.?
    –Newt, blowing his own horn.

    7. ?Now, we don?t get rid of it in round one because we don?t think that that?s politically smart, and we don?t think that?s the right way to go through a transition. But we believe it?s going to wither on the vine because we think people are voluntarily going to leave it .?
    –Newt, admitting that while they won?t kill Medicare outright, Republicans will try to make it wither on the vine and die.

    8. ?She isn?t young enough or pretty enough to be the President?s wife.?
    –Newt, talking about his first wife after divorcing her.

    9. ?It is tragic what we do in the poorest neighborhoods, entrapping children in child laws which are truly stupid…These schools should get rid of unionized janitors, have one master janitor, pay local students to take care of the school.?
    –Newt, advocating for an end to child labor laws so businesses can fire union workers and replace them with cheap labor.

    10. ?I think one of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we don?t encourage you to be nasty. We encourage you to be neat, obedient, and loyal and faithful and all those Boy Scout words.?
    –Newt, advocating for hateful rhetoric and smearing opponents with lies.

    *

  • jonedanger

    RON PAUL!!!!!!!! ELEVENTY!!!!!!!!!!!11!11!1!!!!!!!!

  • SoFiMil

    Thanks!

  • jonedanger

    The questions are: 1. By how much and if the amount is at any way at all significant, & 2. What do we do about it.

    For the record I think the answers are 1. not in any significant measure & 2. Absolutely nothing.

  • wonkish1

    A registered voter that can be reasonably expected to show up at the polls.

    Different pollsters use slightly different questions and methods to ascertain who is likely and who aren’t, but they are pretty reasonably close to each other.

    Questions that are posed are like, “Ranking between 1 and 10 with 10 being positive to vote and 1 being… how confident are you that you will be making it to the polls”.

    Or in the last x elections how many did you vote in? etc.

  • pttx333

    post. I’ve read the 10 Newt quotes and am gasping for air! I knew of a couple of them, but not the others. Just these quotes should be enough to make anyone run away from Newt. He’s a very narcissistic man whose arrogance is beyond one’s comprehension.

    No. 8 on your list is particularly intriguing. His current wife, Callista, may be “young” enough to suit him, but “pretty” is hardly the word that would describe her. What an absolute CAD!

    Thanks again, Dr. I will be scratching my head all day over this one! Wow, hope everyone reads it.

  • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

    Still trying to wake up this morning, but those quotes will give a good jolt at 6 AM. Yikes. And he’s supposedly the “new” default nominee. We’ll see. I’m just waiting until voting starts before I draw any conclusions. Call me a candibot for my patience, if you will, but I’ll wait until long after Jan. 3 to guess who’ll be the nominee. Too much has happened in such a short amount of time.

  • snappy101

    Newt Gingrich hasn’t governed. I still can’t believe conservatives will hand him the keys to the White House based on debate performance instead of applicable executive performance in addition to jettisoning their values related to a person’s character. We said this about Barack Obama in 2008. Well, now Obama has more governing experience than Newt Gingrich. And which candidate, in the general election, can point to his family and call himself a loving father/good husband? And I’ve got another one. Which candidate, Newt Gingrich or Barack Obama can point to his personal finances as an example of how he’d manage the taxpayer’s money? What are you doing, people?

  • SoFiMil

    Is there a percentage on this? How much greater is this % compared with the voter turnout for a general election?

  • pttx333

    gave me a jolt. I’ve been up most of the night, though tried to go to sleep, flip-flopped (just like a couple of our candidates) and then got up again. So … I’ll probably crash and burn before long. My basic nosiness just overwhelms me sometimes! ;-)

    Sure does feel good to know who my candidate is and has been all along. I don’t have to go floating around like a butterfly. Comfy, huh?

    Talk to you later, sweetie!

  • wbf

    Yesterday after dinner my family was talking football. Someone said, “Cam Newton and Tim Tebow are so different.” One is proud and the other is humble.

    Here are two links to support that: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-12-07/cam-newton-carolina-panthers-rookie-quarterback-espn-interview

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/sports-columnist-tim-tebow-does-what-the-bible-asks-of-him/

  • wonkish1

    Use slightly different methodologies to determine essentially the definition for themselves. The definition of it gets weeded out in the particular questions they use to determine that and where they make their cut offs.

    Essentially LV pollsters have been asking these questions for years and they have seen turnout numbers for years. So they make a cut off where those two numbers match over the years.

    So if turnout among registered voters averages(and I’m just guessing here) 75% and over the years picking a 5+ vs. a 4 on the 1 to 10 scale corresponds to approximately 75% of registered voters than that is probably a pretty good place to make the cutoff. What is nice about that is that the polling can self adjust based on whether or not more people expect to show up to the polls. If all of sudden one year more 5, 6, 7, 8, etc. answers are being given then the pollster doesn’t make any adjustments they just use the standard cutoff and assume turnout will be higher.

    But ultimately LV polls tend to be more accurate because of these minor adjustments.

    In regards to LV being compared to total turnout of a general they should be rather close. Among all eligible presidential elections average about 55%. It is my understanding that LV polls track quite nicely against the eventual turnout. So they too probably average 55% of *All* voters and I’m not quite sure what average turnout is among registered voters, but 75% is probably a reasonable guess.

    Does this make sense?

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    And, more importantly, recall the refrain:

    “And, if they bloody each other sufficiently-thoroughly, along comes Perry.”

    The counterattacks from the MSM/LSM/ELM are propitiously timed [pre x-mas] for maximal reaction from the Iowa electorate:

    http://swampland.time.com/2011/12/09/why-rick-perrys-new-ads-are-wrong-on-religion-and-obama/

    “…most flagrant is Perry?s reference to ‘Obama?s war on religion’ without evidence or explanation.”

    AND

    “Rick Perry, Meet Obama?s Office Of Faith-Based Partnerships”

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/12/08/385549/rick-perry-meet-obamas-office-of-faith-based-partnerships/

    AND

    Secular group lobbies Obama to address religious hiring practices

    http://www.statejournal.com/story/16218888/secular-group-lobbies-obama-to-address-religious-hiring-practices

    DESPITE

    Let?s Not Persecute Gays, But Christians? Meh.

    http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/12/08/lets-not-persecute-gays-but-christians-meh/

    “The President has until December 16, 2011, to reauthorize the [U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom] and thus far the Commission members say the President has no plans to reauthorize it.”

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …is to choose only to interview people who have already been selected from the [publicly-available] voting rolls; for example, mailers are often targeted to those people in the population who have voted in 4/6 of the most recent general elections…or who have voted in any primary election during the prior half-decade…or who have voted regularly on the even-numbered years [etc.].

  • circlegranch

    I believe he recommended we pay students, especially high schoolers, to get good grades as an incentive. His inschool labor program grows govt and takes the parent out of the equation of teaching values and paying kids to perform well in school does the same.

    The true conservative position includes facilitating massive and swift jobs creation and tightening requirements for welfare. Interestingly, Newt seems to have forgotten the work he did to roll back welfare during his term as Speaker. We’ve taken a steady backslide toward the welfare state again and under this president, its an avalanche.

    Rather than pay kids to get good grades or help clean the school, Newt would better serve the country by slashing the budget of the Dept of Ag and other entities that quietly keep raising the income level required for food stamps and free school lunches. We need first to set this economy back on a growth fast track and approve the Keystone Pipeline and countless other projects paid for by the private sector that would stimulate jobs growth and then start shutting off the faucets of welfare, forcing parents to take responsibility, financial and otherwise, for the lives they create.

    Personal responsibility should be taught in schools and a good place to start is to make sure the unions aren’t running the public schools. Allow more parents, especially those trapped in horrific public systems, to opt out and have a voucher to send their kid to a parochial school or school where valor and respect and responsibility are taught. Laziness, dependence and moral absence too often are the pillars of radical unionized districts. When the national teacher’s union has Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals on their recommended reading list at their website, we can be confident our unionized schools are on the right track. We need strong advocacy for Right to Work in all states, school vouchers and choice and a big cutback in ‘free’ this and ‘free’ that in our schools and when its time to punish a kid for painting graffitti in the restroom or deliberating trashing the bldg, that student needs to stay after school and help the janitor, all right, but not in exchange for a paycheck.

  • unionquickpicks

    You know, it seems as though everyone on our side is going out of their way to poke holes at or in our latest front-runner. But you know something? Reagan was divorced, & he was an actor in B-grade films & I believe that he ended up doing just fine.

    Now, I am by no means attempting to draw a parallel between Reagan & any of our other candidates, but think about this. If Reagan with all of his “warts” were to run in this day & age (and we would not know how his Presidency would turn out), and he were the current front-runner,would we all not be be pokiing at him too?

    Would women have no interest in his candidacy because of his divorce? Would men/women by the buffoonery label that the media tried to pin on him? My direct challenge to EE is would you walk away from Reagan’s candidacy like you are oh so willing to walk away from these candidates & seek “None of the Above”?

    We are so willing to tear our own candidates down rather than look at how they would stand up to our Marxist-In-Chief in both policies and debate.

    And, please, let us not forget that Obama brings a ton of his own “baggage” with him regardless of his dreadful performance. Obama, by his own writing, admitted to using drugs. Obama by his own admission embraces the radical Rev. Wright. It is proven that a convicted felon (Resco) substantially assisted Obama in obtaining his Illinois residence. And how can we forget Obama’s known association with Ayers & Doorn (apologies for any mispellings)?

    Obama is far from a saint in comparision to our candidates.

    So Cain is out, & Rove’s promoting Romney exposes Romney as a Rhino at best. Who can forget Romney’s defense of Romneycare, his stated belief in global warming (while campainging in New Hampshire), and support of methanol (while in Iowa)? In baseball, 3 strikes and you are out!!

    Is it any wonder that s**t Romney cannot muster more than 20% support from Republicans? The fact that the Establishment losers like Rove love the guy should be a clear warning to stay away.

    Before everyone runs away from Gingrich swearing that they will never, ever vote for the man, I recall during the 2008 campaign how so many people called in swearing that they were going to sit out the election. They simply could not just vote for McCain. McCain’s crime? McCain went against so many of these voters’ core beliefs.

    These idiots are so damn proud of what they did by not voting, and we wound up with a Marxist in the White House!! To those idiots who stuck to their guns and sat out the election, How is that Hope & Change working out for you all?

    Gingrich is far from perfect, but can anyone doubt how he would flat out destoy Obama in debate after debate? And rather than focus on the negatives, how about Newt’s experience in Congress & influence on legislation? He does have alot of positives to draw from here unlike s**t Romney.

    So to EE, I say GET OVER IT! If Reagan were running today, I firmly believe you would most likely be writing his OBIT too while supporting “None of the Above”. Everyone is so focussed on negatives, they simply refuse to consider how Newt would stack up in debate over the Marxist-in-Chief.

    I personally am not enamored with Newt. But he is establishing himself as the best of what we have. And the fact that the Establishment loathes him, makes him even more attractive to me at this time.

    But to all I make undeniably clear: I will support & vote for whoever or whatever the Republicans end up electing. As for whatever, I respectfully refer to Mark Levin’s passionately referreingto preferring an orange juice can over Obama.

    There is simply too much at stake to anything less than full support + our voting for the Republican candidate.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    And also note his comments yesterday on CNN regarding the religion issue:

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/07/perry-hits-obama-for-war-on-faith-despite-a-ghost-of-holiday-season-past/

    after they had summarized it here

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/07/new-perry-ad-derides-obamas-war-on-religion/

    THEREFORE, as EE concluded:

    “I guess Rick Perry gets another commercial out of this issue.”

    *

    Perry’s message to the Evangelicals is that he will integrate their message into his repertoire aggressively [as Santorum would do, if he had the resources] and that he will go right-at BTO [as Bachmann would do, if she had the resources].

    Perry’s message to the TPM is equally potent; he’ll be a dynamic proponent of Federalism and Constitutional Limited Government [as others are ill-equipped to do, for myriad reasons, because he has the resources].

    These points buttress point #7 [supra]:

    “7. That another RS-posting on the ‘Culture/Religious Wars’ concluded that he could get another ad out of BHO?s recent [non]conduct, this suggests that the ‘values’ component of the campaign could also align the stars in favor of Perry.”

  • williamjameson

    and that’s a fact. No balanced budget, runaway spending and no welfare reform and so on. Newt’s fiscal leadership overwhelms his personal mistakes. People want a leader who can govern and lead so the small stuff isn’t as important as solving the issues while cleaning up Obama’s mess.

    Newt rebuilt his personal life, that’s a human success story that evangelicals admire because he found his way again and was strong enough to discuss it while admitting he was flawed. Bad values begin when you hold grudges, “Judge ye not be judged”, “forgive and forget” and so on.

    Romney ran away from his job instead of running a second term and his governance included raising taxes while using the liberal excuse of calling the tax hikes a fee………Obama did the same. Funny how Obama has followed the Romney playbook and the excuses and flip flops, YIKES!

    http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2011/10/romneys-advisors-are-leftist-elites.html

    So what Newt ran up a bill on jewelry and he also pays his bills…………unimportant because the media are hoodwinking.

  • http://www.voteforteri2010.com teridavisnewman

    Newt has focused on the message and stayed out of the squabbles, and in doing so, has come across as a qualified leader and statesman who understands Washington and the responsibilities of the Presidency in a way Obama has never even fathomed. It’s a brilliant strategy and it will work because no matter who is the Republican nominee, America cannot survive another Obama term. It’s just that simple. Obama will do anything he can to hold on to power. He will incite riots in the streets–don’t think for a second that OWS was not a dress rehearsal by the unions to show Obama their power to fill the streets with people under their control. I stated on many occasions that the 2010 elections were going to be the most important elections of our generation but I was wrong. The 2012 elections will be a turning point in the history of our great nation and we cannot allow Obama another four years to continue to destroy America. I’ll be 53 in a few days so my day in the sun has come and gone, but this fight is for our children and grandchildren who will have to continue to pay for the mistake that is Obama. There is no perfect candidate in this race, but I can’t support Romney who flip-flops when the wind changes. I might not always agree with Newt, but I trust that he loves America and will strive to do the right thing for our nation and future generations. At this point that is good enough for me; particularly when the option is a second Obama term–which cannot be allowed to happen.

  • annie54

    “likes” women. I think he “has to have a woman” or he wouldn’t have married so young.

    I loathe the thought of Newt and Callista being in the White House for 4 years. It’s difficult to even look at them.

    Perry’s retail politicking might work. At this point, my prayer is “Thy Will be done.” His message yesterday was that his vow was with God as well as his wife (in comparision to Newt.)

  • wbf

    nt

  • bzip

    New Newt Gingrich Global Warming Book to be Released in 2013
    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/44908/new-newt-gingrich-global-warming-book-to-be-released-in-2013/

    New Gingrich book on climate change likely coming after the election
    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-gingrich-climate-book-20111208,0,7420605.story
    ?While Gingrich has not run away from “A Contract with the Earth,” he has been hedging on some past stances, especially regarding climate change. He recently told Fox News host Bill O?Reilly that he never supported a ?cap-and-trade? system for limiting greenhouse has emissions, when in 2007 he said he would back such a scheme if it had tax incentives.

    Gingrich’s record belies his conservative image?..
    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-1209-gingrich-conservative-20111209,0,2003907.story
    ..? Newt Gingrich ? who is no more conservative than Romney.

    Both men have parted company with the party’s most active voters on many of the same issues. Both backed requiring individuals to purchase healthcare insurance. Both supported the Wall Street bailout known as TARP and government subsidies for ethanol production.

    Both agreed that human activity is contributing to climate change (though each has backtracked in recent months).??

  • unitedwestood

    I believe the answer is NO Romney can NOT beat Obama. Romeny showed that he can’t sit in the hot seat when he complained about his interview with Bret Bair ( sp?) He’s shown his true colors as a liar on the stage a few times in the debates yet, the media has given him a pass. This is who the media wants to run, they know he can not beat obama either.

  • westcoastpatriette

    and I wish I could find it to quote verbatim but in response to one of his wives/girlfriends confronting him on how he could promote family values while two-timing, his reply was (paraphrased) “It doesn’t matter what I do, people need to hear what I have to say.” The words of a true megalomaniac if you ask me.

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …to ignore the “baubles,” but can’t you project how BHO would invoked this as a component of the “class-warfare”-based campaign?

  • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

    …because, unlike your interim assertion ["Gingrich is far from perfect, but can anyone doubt how he would flat out destoy Obama in debate after debate?"], one could indeed project an incisive BHO querying him along the lines that Rush did a half-year ago…yielding gobblygook.

  • wbf

    be referring to have sex acts performed on him.

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/07/woman-says-she-performed-sexual-acts-on-married-newt-in-1977-thinks-voters-should-know/

    that is in addition to his divorces and infidelity.

    But Newt is the best we can do. What about family values?

    But Newt is such a good debator!! He has mastered the use of adjectives…so what!! Does that make up for good character!!

    The very idea that we would nominate someone who received over a million dollars working for Fannie Mae is ludicrous.

    Newt Gingrich is the ultimate insider. He is unreliable, unfaithful, arrogant and you just want me to “Get over it?” That is something I simply cannot do.

  • barbs003

    and I do not reject him. I haven’t decided but I AM against Romney.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    for whom do you vote?

  • barbs003

    Whatever happened is in the past. Just because you have been married to the same woman for over 40..whatever…years, doesn’t make you more reliable. Look at Clinton. I will vote conservative and Republican no matter what. Obama has to go!

  • renl57

    You’ve still got two better choices: Perry and Huntsman.

    But Erick hasn’t gotten to know Huntsman better (why?).

    And Perry hasn’t bothered to address the concerns of all the Republicans who deserted him. There are *reasons* why Perry lost so much support over the last few months. But instead of adjusting his campaign to deal with that, he makes fun of it.

    The problem is that too many Republicans are focusing on stopping Romney from being nominated that they have lost sight of what the real goal is.

    The goal isn’t Romney. The goal is Obama.

  • renl57

    I accept that humans are definitely contributing to climate change. The scientific evidence I’ve seen (especially the opening of the Northwest Passage to open water for the first time in American history) is compelling.

    But I do NOT believe we should be spending trillions and trillions of dollars in a frantic foredoomed attempt to head it off. The best thing to do is deal with the effects of climate change when they occur.

    That’s what we did with air pollution. When smog first started becoming a real problem in Los Angeles, we didn’t ban cars and trucks and shut down the city. Instead, we developed pollution control devices and less polluting vehicles.

  • a-b

    Please check your history ……… It’s well known that one of the most popular presidents ever – JFK – cheated on his wife regularly. Clinton ….. well there’s no point in even going into the scum bag he was. I’m sure there were many others in office throughout our history both better and worse in this area.
    None of it matters . . . . No one is running for “husband of the year” here.
    In this case, Newt is without a doubt the smartest guys in the room. America needs leadership … NOW! Newt has the brains and track record to help put us back on track. ……… and you want to know who to vote for if he gets the GOP nomination??? really???

  • renl57

    He comes off as smart, but professor-type smart, not President-type smart. A flake with pseudo-intellectual, technocratic solutions.

    He doesn’t remind me of a leader of men. Sorry.

    If you nominate Gingrich, he will lose and Obama will get a second term.

    I’m putting myself on the record now, so that I won’t have to say “I told you so” 12 months from now.

  • Finrod

    That just doesn’t make sense. Gingrich has been an erratic conservative, certainly, but Romney is about as far from a Tea Party candidate as you can get and still be in the GOP.

    And as far as Establishment Republicans go, they’ve always been in the tank for Romney and look at what it’s gotten him so far. Tea Party folks view Establishment Republican support as a serious negative which would make them flee screaming from Romney.

  • bzip

    Why a Newt Gingrich Candidacy Would Doom the Tea Party
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/why-a-newt-gingrich-candidacy-would-doom-the-tea-party/249534/

    ?And Gingrich supported almost all the most controversial Bush-Rove policies!

    He favored No Child Left Behind, an unprecedented federal intervention in education. He supported Medicare Part D, a brand new, budget-busting drug entitlement. He supported “comprehensive immigration reform,” perhaps the most divisive-among-conservatives policy initiative of the aughts. He urged the passage of TARP. And he even spoke favorably about the infamous Harriet Miers nomination, a George W. Bush misstep that caused many of his most loyal supporters to rebel.

    Tea Partiers pledged that if they had their way the GOP would never again have as its champion a federal government enlarging, entitlement expanding, amnesty urging, Bush-style Republican.?

  • kaheo

    I should’ve done some digging into that. I’ll blame the LSM for that!

    I think Newt never thought he had a real shot and mostly wanted to sell some books and make some more money – just like Herman Cain. Cain imploded and there came an opportunity to clinch the nomination but with no organization in place.

    Not filing in MO because it’s non-binding just goes further to prove the above point – that he didn’t take this contest serious and still isn’t given the fact he seems more concerned about selling books.

    What about his staff all quiting on him early this year? Spending $800,000 on a basic website? This guy has some management issues (and or being erratic) and this will become more evident if he gets closer to clinching the nomination or if he gets it.

    If Newt doesn’t win Iowa, the poll numbers in other southern states could change quickly and we’re back to looking for another not-Romney candidate!

  • Finrod

    It’s easy to kvetch and bitch and whine about candidates.

    It’s hard to find someone to get behind and support.

    One of these things helps, and the other hurts. Like usual, it’s the harder thing that helps.

    So if you want to help, stop whining and find someone to support.

  • carolynr

    Your question…how obama would point to his personal finances. Revisit Obama’s deal with mobster Tony Resko and his purchase of his personal residence in Chicago.

    I am not a Newt fan…but Obama can’t point to anything that is clean about him. The buck stops with him…can you say Solyndra

  • carolynr

    First off…please do not think that Obamacare is a health program…it is a tax program. Taxed Enough Already. Does anyone have any links to blogs on the TPM? I’d really like them to answer some down to earth questions.

    Obamacare will destroy the United States of America. Are you aware of all the laws that have been incorporated into it? Do you realize that all funding for education must go through the federal government…can you say Sallie Mae…and they have already declared that the loans were not paid and are in the hole…Sallie…cousin to Fannie and Freddie…ring a bell…another giant bail out! Are you aware that if you sell your home, you are required to pay the federal government 3.8% of the purchase price? Two of these items don’t even belong in a supposed healthcare bill. Death panels…well, finally we see that we have a committee that decides if we can have a procedure. Not worth much to society any longer..well say hello to Obama’s… Auschwitz.

    Two candidates are at the top tier…Romney and Gingrich. Romneycare was the prelude to this mess…that the TPM WAS FIRMLY AGAINST…and listening to Dr. Bob’s Rush Tape…Gingrich does what he does best…CONFUSES everyone with his answers that can be taken a myriad of ways. Like I have said…we won’t even know we have been “had”. I believe that Gingrich even takes pleasure in the fact that he can fool people. He is very good at telling people that they misquoted him because they misunderstood him….SOUND LIKE CAIN TO YOU.

    TPM….you are done for. Your candidate is and should be Perry. He espouses everything that you believe in and he has put it into law. I thought you had the foresight to see through the BS of Gingrich and Romney. I thought you wanted smaller federal government. Now…when you get trampled over with BIG government…more taxes…don’t expect support from the people that knew the answer from the beginning. Even more insulting will be the fact that you lack any creditability because you talk a big game….but you won’t vote for the people that hold up your mantel.

    Somebody give me some links to the TPM…they always want my money but they never have a telephone printed.

  • carolynr

    I’m done with the fancy words for a liar…misspeak, disingenuous, etc.
    When a person continues to flip flop…another less formal word for a lie…they are…a liar. During the debates…Romney…I never changed anything in my book….I didn’t appear in support of Race To The Top. What..I wouldn’t hire Illegals..I’m running for office.

    Let’s look at the heart and soul and Cap and Trade. Do you know what it is? It is a redistribution of wealth…to the wealthy. How about that…Obama’s fat cats. If the EPA and their factions were so concerned about carbon dioxide (which is what we exhale)…and wanted to save dear Mother Earth…they would STOP ALL FORMS OF CARBON DIOXIDE…give the planet back to God and die. Of course, the poor earth would die off also…because the trees would not be able to survive…they live off of carbon dioxide. But…I digress…They are talking about trading carbon credits….NOT STOPPING THE BEHAVIOR. They can’t save the Earth…they just want money off the carbon credit trade…Ask Al Gore.
    Who has supported such a deal….both people are supposedly smarter than Perry…Gingrich and Romney. Why?…are they part of the carbon credit scheme, wherein they benefit? That seems to be the “in thing” to do in DC these days. Or are they that stupid. If human beings would STOP ALL MANNER OF LIVING…One volcano would spew more carbon into the air for one million year’s worth of human existence!

    So…when Perry said the science was “unsettled”…that was an understatement. It all comes back to…MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.

  • carolynr

    This is why they won’t commit to any of this…they want to get elected…just like Obama did…they are no different. When they get in…the hope and change we were hoping for will be NO DIFFERENT THAN THE CURRENT POLICIES OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    ..

  • acat

    This planet has ? or rather had ? a problem, which was this: most of the people living on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movement of small green pieces of paper, which was odd because on the whole it wasn’t the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy. —
    Douglas Adams, in The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

    Just another perspective.

    Mew

  • jaykali

    Congress still gets a vote. Republicans want a Republican president

  • wbf

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-pastor-gingrich-kardashian-20111208,0,953286.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=fee

    An influential pastor in Sioux City, Iowa is sending this video via text message to every registered Republican or non-aligned Iowa voter with a cellphone on record.

  • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

    no text.

  • kestrel

    in a strong and good way: “I won’t let the Big Government liberals ruin this country.” Perry is good-natured, “can do” and believable in saying it.

    I also watched his “Faith” ad today. Perry seems unusual for a politician in that he is humble enough to seemingly not even see some of his own strengths. I haven’t read his books, but in addition to his Right-to-Life endorsements, the plain fact of his writing a book defending the Boy Scouts of America from attacks by gay activists and the ACLU ought to be enough to cement evangelical and social conservative votes. Perry is an Eagle Scout, as is his son. He wrote the book, On My Honor, in defense of The Boy Scouts, whose right to keep their own moral creed and membership standards was ultimately upheld by the Supreme Court under the right to freedom of association.

    The Boy Scouts is one of the best character-forming youth organizations around. The attacks on it were many, shameless and expensive, constituting an excellent poster case for “loser pays” legal reform. Perry donated the proceeds of the book to help pay their astronomical legal defense bills.

    When Perry says, “I won’t let the Big Government liberals ruin this country,” he is stating a conviction that he has already proved through his defense of the Boy Scouts of America. Perry says he will repeal Obamacare, and he will do it.

  • papabear

    but I am no sold either. He stumbled horribly at the start. He was totally unprepared at the beginning:

    1.) Economic policy (more than talking points) appeared to be an afterthought.
    2.) Regulatory policy is still lacking – what is his grand vision for how to improve the situation. I need meat and potatoes, not puffy marshmallows.
    3.) Specifics on energy. This is a huge issue because he wants to get rid of the Dept. of Energy. I’m fine with the concept if the in-depth thought of the future has happened. My gut tells me that this thought is a talking point – that is why he forgot the title of the department. If he had truly worked out the grand vision, he would have an instinctual understanding of how the DOE works. I am not OK w/killing the DOE without planning for what the future will be w/o the DOE.

    He still has the opportunity to close the sale, but time is of the essence. I am not going to vote for Perry because he/Texas is awesome. I think many people see it the same way.

  • papabear

    not sold :-)

    BTW, in case I was not clear, if Perry makes the case, I will change my vote from Newt.

  • gekster

    It’s called ‘proof read’.
    (now this is kinda tounge in cheeky)
    What you do is type what you want to say.
    Then you read it, and see if there are any changes to be made.
    When it is satisfactory to you, hit post comment.

    (I’m just yankin on yer leg here, so don’t take it to seriously. LOL ;)

  • deVere

    There are places in the USA where if you fail to voluntarily contribute to the fire department they will let your house burn down. I see those news stories from time to time.

    We could go that way for medical care, where young healthy people who fail to buy insurance are left to die on the sidewalk next to the hospital when misfortune strikes them.. Somehow I doubt that would please a majority of the voters.

    Our current system provides unlimited care for the indigent poor through Medicaid; and unlimited care for the uninsured middle class through Medicaid as soon as their medical bills make them bankrupt. It’s a terrible system that turns middle class Americans into medical-insurance-serfs, tied to their jobs in fear of getting sick without insurance.

    Obamacare is terrible because it is meant to fail, and bring about a single-server government collossus. But the basic idea of an individual mandate, if legally enacted by a state, is OK.

    In my opinion the ideal medical insurance law would mandate ~$3000 per year deductible catastrophic medical coverage for everyone, and prohibit better insurance coverage entirely. By forcing everyone to reach into their pocket to see the doctor, the demand for unnecesary medical care would decrease, and with it prices. Of course the very poor would still need help with their deductible.

  • wumingren

    You missed a key point: Democrats generally are anti-religious and they embrace people who are like themselves, i.e., not constrained by moral standards, so sexual peccadilloes are not held against them.

    Meanwhile, Republicans generally “cling to their Bibles,” so any moral failure on their part is held against them.

    Liberals advocate libertine lifestyles, so there is no hypocrisy in their moral failures. Conservatives advocate virtuous lifestyles, so their moral failures are met with cries of hypocrisy. If a Democrat is caught cheating, it’s no big deal, because Democrats will vote for him anyway. If a Republican is caught cheating, it’s made into a big deal, because conservative voters will shy away. This is why Democrats use sex scandals as their main weapon to defeat Republicans. Look at the character assassinations ongoing each election cycle for proof of this.

    And sexual impropriety charges don’t even have to be proven, just tendered, to get Republicans to back off a candidate. It’s the Right’s Achilles’ Heel, and the Left knows it. Too bad the Right allows the Left to continue chopping off the feet of our candidates. If women won’t vote for Gingrich because of his sexual issues, if Christians won’t vote for him because of his sexual issues, then they give the Left a powerful weapon and concede the battle without ever showing up on the battlefield.

    No man is perfect. Neither is any woman or Christian. If you continue to allow the Left to dictate the terms for acceptance of our candidates, you will always be fighting from the position of the underdog. Stop it.

    If you are a Bible reader, you will note that all of the Israelites’ leaders had serious character flaws, yet they were nonetheless anointed to lead by God. Get over yourselves and select a leader that will defeat the evil one currently residing in the White House. Pray for him and forgive him his sins, as you would want others to forgive you your own sins. Be faithful in your support. Note that David continued to support King Saul, even though the king had for years been trying to kill David.

    And know this: politics is a process, not an event. The process took us from a path of virtue to a path of folly, and we must work our way back to the path of virtue. If there is a man who can get us back on the path, however great his sins, then who are we to dawdle, waiting for the Perfect Man to come along and save us?

  • tomatin

    Very interesting numbers indeed. If Newt is the nominee he’ll have to work on that gap.

    My first impression from the Gallop and Fox news polls was just a supposition on my part not a conclusion. I just didn’t have enough facts to conclude anything.

  • MF

    because we have no idea what it is that you hope is not the case.

  • center77

    by us, but noy known by much of the primary voters. Newt is the insiders’ insider, He is the Freddie Mac lobbying guy, who has had two affairs while he is married. I really do not think I need to list more of this. There should not even be a question if Newt is a true blood conservative. He pocketed 1.6 million alone from Freddie Mac, he has spent his time out of government as an unregistered lobbyist. I am not sure about the dirt they have on Perry, Im betting they would have used it by now to burry him. Perry is in no way like Newt in that sense.

  • center77

    Newt is more about making our government powerful, not one government. Romney is a joke, and I think his downfall has been coming since the bret interview.

  • center77

    his campaign at the last minute, people care about character, and Newt lacks it. His wife will be hounded on the trail about being a home wrecker who is married to a man 30 years older than her, and not many people really know the story of how it went down, even if the whole divorce papers while in the hospital is not true. Newt is a insiders’ insider, he is the very thing wrong, and I just cannot see the people in this country giving him the presidency over obama, the risk is too great, and the voters we need do not hate obama, they are sick of the government and the insider power players such as Newt.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Unfortunately, there are a fairly wide swath of Republican voters who use their head for a hatrack and not much else. They’ll have a fit over Newt’s divorces and are willing to leave Obama in office to make the point of their moral superiority.

    Don’t get wrong about Newt, he’s one of my least favorite pols, but if it comes down to Newt or Mitt, I’m for Newt. And if it’s TheOne or Newt, I’m all in for Newt.

  • superpatriot

    Anyone out there in redstate land know when Cain will be making his official endorsement??

    I’m really hoping it’s not Romney.

    ABR/ABO ’2012

  • Common_Cents

    Which means trying to extract the best deal, whatever that is.

    However, Cain is battling time decay on his relevance. the endorsement kingmaker game is how long can I wait, to extract the most benefit/significance. BUT, the flip side is the longer you wait, the tougher it is to remain relevant.

    Palin’s endorsement will be huge. Because she has rehabbed herself somewhat. Cain? not so much. Cain is better off endorsing sooner rather than later.

  • gunsrus

    kinda like Obamabot ain’t he?

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    Hugh Hewitt said some polls are showing Perry with a bump in SC.

  • johntvalentine

    nobama is a progressive. Voters, don’t make the same mistake twice. Gingrich is absolutely a PROGRESSIVE. A word to the wise is sufficient. For almost one hundred yeas this evil PROGRESSIVE movement has got it’s evil grip on our beloved America. Enough is enough. These PROGRESSIVES, are like satan, master of all lies and deceit. America needs to crush the head of these evil PROGRESSIVES, then and only then can America truly honor GOD. nobama,Gingrich, America ,does not need another PROGRESSIVE. The truth shall make us free. America has been blessed by GOD. Our Father in Heaven has given our beloved America it’s Constitution. Love and live by America’s GOD given Constitution. Voters, don’t make the same mistake twice. obama and Gingrich are PROGRESSIVES. Period.

  • papabear

    But that’s a non-existent bar :-)

  • sunshinek67

    spending my Saturday morning reading Arthur to my 3year old, replying to your comment, same thing. Not in the mood for overdose of snark, so run along~

  • bzip

    Did I read this right: Glenn Beck last night called Newt a progressive. yes, there wwas some other references to racist but the content of what Glenn Beck was saying was: Newt Gringrich is a progressive (what I have been say all along):

    Glenn Beck To Tea Party
    http://www.therightscoop.com/glenn-beck-to-tea-party-if-you-support-newt-but-not-obama-youre-racist/

    “I issued a challenge to the Tea Party members. The challenge is this: You read [Newt's] record, you read his words. Not just the happy parts like you read about Theodore Roosevelt. Look into his record. See what he believes. This man is a progressive. He knows he?s a progressive. He doesn?t have a problem with being a progressive.”

  • reggie182

    With respect to Beck’s statements about Newt and his tea party supporters, I think in making them he has confirmed himself to be a lunatic and an idiot. This perpetually weeping whackjob is probably still seething from the intellectual beating he got from Newt in his interview with him.

  • bzip

    Think what you will but Newt is a progressive. Facts don’t lie. Newt only confirmed his progressive ways in the Beck interview. beck was completely right in calling Newt a progressive.

    It is what some of us have been saying all along – Newt is a progressive and there is plenty of documented evidence showing his support for big gov’t progressive issues.

    If you want to be in denial, that is your business but don’t elect anotjer progressive that will destroy America simply because you want to be in denail

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    My father’s vaguely conservative, but isn’t really political.

    He caught Glenn Beck saying that, and it really turned him off of Beck.

  • MF

    Stating that you hope not, in response to the diary question of whether Newt’s rise is sustainable, is pretty empty. I am sorry, but first of all, I really didn’t have a clue that your response was to the main subject. I see it now, after you’ve pointed it out. At the point where I replied, I had probably read 100 responses that were all over the map, and it didn’t even occur to me that you were simply answering the title’s question. My apologies for not understanding.

    But more importantly, why not at least provide some insight as to why you feel that way? Your comment hasn’t exactly added to the discussion. And certainly being dismissive of me, when I’ve been here at RS for many years and always attempted to be civil and never once been called out for inappropriateness, is uncalled for.

  • Common_Cents

    Looks like the momentum is continuing.

    “Manchester, New Hampshire (CNN) ? An early proponent of Jon Huntsman is dropping his support over what he calls mismanagement of the candidate’s effort in New Hampshire, and will back Newt Gingrich instead.

    Richard Brothers, a former state commissioner of employment security who was listed as an alternate convention delegate for Huntsman, said until recently the candidate’s national team did not follow a sound strategy for winning New Hampshire’s first-in-the-nation primary.”

  • 1bunny

    at least according to the WSJ article posted at 5:47 ET online. Did not sign but wrote a reply to the pledge. Not sure why he won’t sign it but states in his reply to be faithful to his wife. Curious. Even Politico says he didn’t sign it.

  • Common_Cents

    A nice compromise and smart for the general election.

  • bzip

    Let me know when you get your brain cells back from all your yacking and all your bashing of Perry.

    In the mean time Common Cents; Newt did NOT sign the marriage pledge but signed the “Fidelity” pledge. Gee I wonder why.

    Gingrich Promises Fidelity But Doesn?t Sign ?Marriage Vow?
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/12/12/gingrich-promises-fidelity-but-doesnt-sign-marriage-vow/?mod=google_news_blog

  • Common_Cents

    It would be good for everyone to see it. Great in depth talk w/ unlimited time. Two intelligent knowledgeable guys respecting each other. Gingrich usual sharp self. Huntsman impressive. Huntsman would be a good SOS, perhaps VP if he was a help electorally.

  • dpmapper

    Substantive and informative. Huntsman was more specific with some of his proposals, whereas Gingrich preferred to paint in broad strokes and tried to be professorial. They didn’t disagree much with each other, which I suppose is understandable. There were plenty of disagreements with Obama, but it would be good for them (Huntsman especially) to be able to underline them a bit more – they’re there if you listen but because of Huntsman’s style of speaking it doesn’t always come across.

  • Common_Cents

    His own pledge will be good enough for IA, and position him well for the general.

    Between Perry’s anti gay marriage pledge and much perceived anti gay ad (what person wouldn’t think that ad would stir things up) he is gonna get blasted in the general for it. It also will be a present to Obama by stirring up this disenfranchised group to support Obama once again. Perry’s been hit by hecklers at multiple stops already.

    It’s an issue best not addressed loud and clear as to not stir up the hornets nest. Stick to obama’s dismal record, dont give him any ammo to call you an enemy of the people. Jobs, economy, foreign policy, national security.

    Leave social issues for when you get elected.

  • JSobieski

    i.e. it is a characterization that is devoid of context and proportionality.

    The biggest two complaints about Newt seem to be:
    His citation of Roosevelt
    His use of the word “mandate” in the context of saying that people should be responsible for paying their bills

    The characterization ignores the important impact that Newt has had on the conservative movement and a largely conservative record of achievement due to two words—”Roosevelt” and “mandate”

    Its silly.

    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/spending_chart_1903_2010USp_13s1li0181280_840cs_F0t_US_Government_Spending_As_Percent_Of_GDP

  • Common_Cents

    He is being inoculated. The boy who cried wolf will only insulate Gingrich from any real issues to attack him on. People’s eyes are already glazing over from the overhype and over-reading into every single comment.

  • Common_Cents

    I suppose you need a bit more structure w/ 7 on stage as early prelim weeding out.

    It was classy of Gingrich to appear w/ Huntsman and give him a title shot. Something that offered Gingrich little advancement and more risk.

  • JSobieski

    Histrionics such as these hurt all of us in the campaign, regardless of who they are against.

    People are basically saying that a Romney and Newt are no better than Obama. If I was a D, I would call this the best voter suppression operation in modern history.

    The loss of all sense of perspective is striking. This is worse than in 2008.

  • Menlo

    Not one word about his 1992 vote in support of the toilet ban?

  • sticktotheconstitution

    nope.

    Independents aren’t going to vote for a man who was committing adultery while impeaching Clinton for it. Many republicans understand this, so when all is said and done he will not be the nominee.

  • center77

    Notice how Newt was gleeful in How Cain handled the Rick Perry Rock hit peice by WaPo. This man is something else, and some how he has Tea Party people wanting him to be president. Why did they join the cause in the firdt place, it cant be race, even though I understand what Beck was getting at, but race, No, because Newt is friends with this guy. I would suggest being conservative for many people is nothing more than being against whoever is in power.

  • center77

    even though the polls show him leading, they do not get very many people, I do not know one person who has ever been polled , not one, and I know a lot of people, I often wonder if the media just makes this up, I know they probably do not, but it seems I should have met one, sometime.

  • reggie182

    As we all well know, Clinton was not impeached because he ran around on Hillary. It is because he subverted the legal process.

    Let’s cut the #$%%, shall we?

  • reggie182

    Really? So what? Are you that desperate, that you have to use a moment of levity between politically bitter enemies to disqualify Newt? Do you honestly believe that these men are in any way in politically concurrence? Please stop. OK?

  • williamjameson

    above is income and the conservative media haven’t brought that up as a counter to shopping at Tiffany’s. Should have been an election issue butt hat would only happen if BO were republican. Today its our money he’s gambling with.

    http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2009/05/15/the-obamas-personal-debt-vs-obamas-demand-that-americans-cut-back/

  • williamjameson

    conservatives believe in anyone but Obama. I won’t count Newt out anytime soon because most could care less what the liberal media think. Independents who want Obama out will excuse a man who has found his way out of the abyss. The alternative is more ObamaNomics.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    While Christianity teaches “forgiveness”, most Christians never forget. Look at who is mounting the charge of the light brigade against Newt, it’s the SoCon wing of the party. They’re the ones threatening to stay home.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Gods own heart, who was both an adulterer and a murderer?

  • williamjameson

    in choosing the candidate. Sure we never forget, its the concept and the desire to focus on the candidate with the best solutions. I hope no one stays home, must have missed those dairies.